• @Vespair@lemm.ee
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    I agree with the sentiment that loli shit is disgusting, but the problem is that so many of you sexless prudes go in looking for shit to be offended by and start projecting onto shit that’s fine. Like the character Kusano in Sekirei is fully gross, a disgusting pedo-bait character that simply should not exist in the story, period. That shit should absolutely be rallied against.

    But then y’all bring up shit like Momo from MHA like it’s the same thing. It’s fucking not, at all. A post or near post-adolescent character wearing titillating attire in much the same way that comparable real life pop stars do is just not even remotely on the same level as actual children being depicted as sexual viable partners, especially in the context of a story like MHA where the protag is a literal high schooler expressing romantic interest in his age-appropriate peers.

    And “glorifying unhealthy relationships” is fine enough critique I suppose but one that hardly applies solely, or even primarily, to manga and anime.

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    Reposting from the last time this subject came up

    Bolded titles are my top recs. Series listed in chronological order of my seeing them:

    Steins;Gate (correction: episode 8 unfortunately has one character grope another one. Everyone rightfully calls him out for being a creepass)

    Castlevania (shut up yes it is)

    Vivy: Fluorite Eyes Song

    Violet Evergarden (not the movie)

    Hyouka (skip the ova)

    Belle

    A Silent Voice

    Baccano

    Deca-dence

    Trigun

    Akudama Drive

    ACCA: 13 Territory Inspection Dept.

    Fullmetal Alchemist

    Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood

    Spy Family

    Mushishi

    5 Centimeters Per Second

    Afro Samurai

    Your Lie In April

    Nichijou

    Odd Taxi

    Cowboy Bebop

    Canaan

    Sk8 the Infinity

    Supercrooks

    Bocchi the Rock

    House of Five Leaves

    Weathering With You

    Haibane Renmei

    Samurai Flamenco

    BNA

    Redline

    Planetes

    Last Exile

    Witch Hunter Robin

    Noir

    Wolf’s Rain

    Boogiepop Phantom

    Boogiepop And Others

    Ghost In The Shell (all timelines)

    Niea_7

    Serial Experiments Lain

    Megalo Box

    Bakumatsu Kikansetsu Irohanihoheto

    Samurai Champloo

    Bubblegum Crisis

    Ergo Proxy

    Read Or Die (OVA and The TV)

    Madlax

    Moribito

    Xam’d: Lost Memories

    Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind

    Kyousougiga

    Orb: On the Movements of the Earth

    Cyberpunk Edgerunners

    Sonny Boy

    Kiki’s Delivery Service

    Thus concludes the exhaustive list of animes I’ve watched where I didn’t have to put up with any sexualization of minors

  • missingno
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    There’s a lot of terrible anime, but there’s also a lot of fantastic anime. There’s a lot of anime.

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        Not at all “just like.” You don’t have to wade through 90% of literary fiction or Hollywood films in order to find a handful of titles that don’t sexualize children or are otherwise fucking gross.

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          You do have to do that to find a handful of titles that aren’t displaying blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia and/or transphobia. So, yeah, 90% of Hollywood films are in fact fucking gross.

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            How does it feel to intentionally make a dishonest false equivalence that you, I, and everyone reading knows is bullshit? I’d feel weird about it, even if I didn’t have a ton of self-respect.

            • @MotoAsh@lemmy.world
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              Nah, it’s not BS. Hollywood just doesn’t glorify the same exact types of tripe, but they are just as hit and miss on moral purity. Especially if a vapid, brainless, and underdeveloped plot are considered bad. Then Hollywood might have anime beat on shit vs gold with its mountains of brainless executive-driven scripts…

      • @thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world
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        mainstream amine maybe, but there is A LOT of anime out there.

        your comment is like saying that Hollywood only ever made super hero movies.

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        Nah… Maybe the vast majority of what you watch but there’s so many out there spanning decades.

        Astro Boy. Samurai Pizza Cats. Ergo Proxy. Ninja Scroll. Akira. Ghost in the Shell. Cowboy Bebop. Battle Angel Alita. Yowamushi Pedal.

        On and on it goes…

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        Vast majority? Eh, maybe. I watch a crazy amount of anime, and I’ve only had a few of the shows I’m interested in pull that, and typically I just don’t continue watching. The one trope that I really dislike that gets shoehorned into almost any anime is the over-infatuation of a sibling. I’m not talking incest or anything, but for some reason there’s almost always a character who is obsessed with their sister/brother, and it weirds me out. Not enough to stop watching if the anime is otherwise good, but definitely enough to stop watching if the anime is just soso.

        Now, oversexualization of adult characters? That’s almost unavoidable. I tend to just ignore it, until I show an anime to someone who hasn’t seen anime before and then I’m hyper aware of it. That’s why when introducing people to anime I usually pick Death Note or Fullmetal Alchemist. These anime have a good dose of the anime goofiness, but very little fanservice, almost none.

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        If you’ve been keeping count, I’m curious to see your data.

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    An no fan service/no upskirt/cleavage shots.

    And no racist depictions.

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      I was going to say Knights of Sydonia, but in not sure all of those are strictly followed. At least there’s nothing overt. And a fantastic sci-fi to boot.

      Edit: started re-watching on a lark and there’s A LOT more overt fan service than I remembered. At least it passes the Bechdel Test.

    • Ranking of kings, erased, the promised neverland, deca-dence, fullmetal alchemist, pokemon.

      You might find some examples but the themes dont really lend to that.

      If what you really wanted was of list of animes to avoid let’s start with Basilisk.

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      I think most of my list applies

      Maybe without

      Steins;Gate because of that scene where a guy gropes a girl (though everyone rightfully calls him out for being a creep)

      Castlevania because sex scene

      Akudama Drive because Doctor is heavily sexualized

      Fullmetal Alchemist because Lust is Lust

      Cowboy Bebop because Faye is kinda sexualized

      Supercrooks because the intro (which is a bop and you should listen to it anyway)

      Redline because of one scene with boobs

      Ghost In The Shell because boobs

      Niea_7 because the very racist Indian stereotype

      Bubblegum Crisis because boobs

      Read Or Die because cleavage

      Cyberpunk Edgerunners because nudity (it’s Cyberpunk lol)

      That looks like a lot of exceptions, but it’s only 12 out of 57 shows/movies

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        To be clear; nudity is fine, just not all-the-time, male-gaze shots put in akin to commercial breaks. Like Gurren Lagan; someone told me to try that one and ye gods the amount of times it was about boobs was ridiiiiiculous.

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      I hate this, e.g. the pairing of Buffy with the 400-year-old Angel. Vampire romance stories are full of this shit and it’s so creepy.

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          Honestly the century old vampire entrancing pretty young women is a standard vampire story trope. See just about every vampire story.

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          The depiction of pedophilia is not against the law as far as I’m aware. Not in Canada at least. I don’t really think Buffy the Vampire Slayer should be banned.

      • @Landless2029@lemmy.world
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        I like the story of afrutera but the female lead is a child like several hundred year old girl. Male lead is a teen schoolboy and they bang… Also added a other female protagonist to the party that’s well endowed because boobs.

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          I like parts of this show but it is just super generic harem anime a lot of the time and not really that good.

          Minor compliant:

          Like with

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          Annoint

          being

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          a new body for that one healer

          I feel like they explained away “And we can reverse it so no harm done”, the protagonists win by miles every time and never have any setbacks.

          Major complaint:

          One time I literally paused the show, it was when they get this random dude in the desert.

          He’s in the backseat of the truck and I paused it thinking “why is this scene wrong”

          That’s like the only time I remember a guy ever being in the backseat, it’s like only ever been female love-interests that are part of his (not-a-)harem. They have so many characters (literally the whole class got isekai’d) but no one gets much screen time unless they’re Yue or a girl with a huge bust that gets added to the not-a-harem

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            Yeah I get you.

            What I like is the fact that the protagonist has a underrated skill and ends up using his earth knowledge and creation skills to make fun shit.

            Crafting with the combination of magic and tech is uncommon. Also under dog struggled to survive. He’s not OP out of the gate. Lost his arm early on and ate rotten meat to survive. Not sure I’d survive the shit he went through in the beginning.

            It gets real generic and fan service-y after the setup. Also the “underage” vampire…

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              The setup is better than say, Solo Leveling, but once its done it gets a lot blander just like Solo Leveling.

              Granted Solo Leveling has way more issues and is 90% carried by good animation.

              I also think the protagonist from Arifureta has a really cool niche ability but it really is not used creatively. For all intents and purposes after the first dungeon his power is “gun” (with “gun” being flexible) and sometimes vehicles or a shield, all of which he got from first dungeon iirc.

              It’s creative in a sense that he made firearms out of essentially just magic and knowledge but like… it never evolved past that. Hell I’d take a dust explosion every once in a while or something, thermite, acid. But the focus was “aura” and edginess rather than a compelling or clever protagonist.

              That said I still plan to finish the newest season and will prob watch whatever comes out next. The aesthetic got me and ig thats the point

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      Maybe because I got into anime from Toonami and adult swim, but I never been subjected nor had an interest in this kind of anime. It always seems corny. Then again I’m more of a sci fi/space/giant robot kind of guy. The space colonies that are like biodome like cities are the coolest

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    I find that if you want good anime recommendations, the recommendation must come from someone that doesn’t like anime. Anime fans tend to be really out of touch with certain baselines… like not being an open pervert.(I’ve seen that hentai hoodie, don’t lie.) Also people who don’t like anime can distinguish between “good for an anime” and “good”.

    So I offer mine: Cyberpunk Edgerunners and Spirited Away.

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    Working in manga, the amount of titles I have to throw out of consideration for licensing because of these issues is insane

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    I’ve been keeping my eye out for anime I can watch with my early teen daughter, and the intersection between good anime and anime that doesn’t require ample amounts of jiggle physics is fairly small.

    The list is pretty much:

    • Mashle
    • Dragon Goes House Hunting
    • Cells at Work
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      Yeah, it’s definitely hard. A couple I can think of:

      • Tri-Gun
      • Delicious in Dungeon
      • Dr. Stone
      • Cowboy Bebop
      • Fullmetal Alchemist (I think is mostly safe)
      • DBZ (Mostly safe, I think Dragonball has some questionable stuff)
      • Komi can’t communicate (relationships seem mostly okay)
      • One punchman
      • Mon Pyscho
      • Steins Gate
      • Kinos Journey

      The real issue is finding an anime that doesn’t oversexualize anyone and still has lead female characters. If you’re looking for early teen I think the US actually makes better shows:

      • Gravity Falls
      • Amphibia
      • Star vs Forces of evil
      • Infinity Train
      • Young Justice

      There’s more I could recommend, but for a teenager daughter those all probably have better plot, character development, and female leads than most of what I can think of for anime (although being a guy there are probably a number of anime I’m just not aware of).

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        I just wanna point out that while cowboy bebop is incredible, Fae Valentine’s outfit is skimpy to the point that she’s wandering around with her shorts unbuttoned in basically every scene where she’s not in a disguise (and she’s only staying in that top through the power of double-sided tape). By modern standards it’s really not great towards the women characters (except possibly ed).

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          Oh yeah, but I guess I was giving it a pass cause it goes both ways. Both the women and men have ridiculous designs.

          Also, even though they definitely feel sexual, the actual dialogue doesn’t focus on it too much (at least from what I can recall). It helps that the main character is really only interested in science.

          Edit: It also has the issue that pretty much every major character is a guy.

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            Edit: It also has the issue that pretty much every major character is a guy.

            Yeah, is always annoying when you’ve got the trope of

            • The explorer
            • The warrior
            • The inventor
            • The girl

            Like gender is a class and not half the population.

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              Doesn’t that count for a lot of artists?

              Pretty sure in Japan it’s a trope that mangaka would do Hentai dude projects under a different name. I would judge an anime/manga on its content, and not by something unrelated.

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        Komi-san is a great show whenever one particular character is not onscreen, but the parts where that character is onscreen mean I don’t think it can go on this list.

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            Yamai Ren. The character whose entire gimmick is that her horrible behavior is played off with “it’s funny because she’s a lesbian.”

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        Damn, you beat me to it. Mushi Shi is an unfinished masterpiece and severely underrated. I had some I wanted to add to this list, but honestly some have blood and such which I don’t know exactly what you’d want for an early teens daughter. I would have recommended Delicious in Dungeon, but there are some dismemberment scenes and it sort of downplays death, as you can and can’t die in the dungeon. Lemme try to see what I can dig up from my history though.

        • Kimi ni Todoke - It is romance, but its so fluffy and goes lightly into what bullying can do to people as well as showing that people are not always who they seem on the outside. Touches on judging others, but remains extremely lighthearted.
        • Saiki K - One of the few anime that has made me legitimately laugh. It’s nonsensical and good for most ages. I’m usually a romance buff, but this one drew me in when I curiously watched the first episode.
        • Spice and Wolf - I watched the original and started the remake. I think either should be fine. Great adventure story with a bit of romance.
        • Ballroom Youkoso - So this will fall a bit into the unhealthy relationships. I can’t remember if there was any nudity, but it does stem from the viewpoint of a hormonal teenage boy. However, the art of the dancing is absolutely stunning. Just beware the necks. Iirc, there are crazy long necks in this one, lol.
        • Yuri on Ice - Similar to Ballroom Youkoso, but has a bit of an unhealthy relationship as a side story, iirc. I haven’t seen it all, just a bit of it and can’t remember much. I really enjoyed the skating scenes, which are very similar to the dancing scenes in Ballroom. It is a boys’ love, but that’s not the main point of the anime.
        • Spy x Family - Haven’t seen it all, but what I have seen is great and seems good for younger generations.
        • Arakawa Under the Bridge - Okay, this may be a bit much at times, but damn if its not hilarious and mysterious. There is some non-showy nudity, I think, but its more like bathing and such, nothing extreme.
        • Dr. Stone - This should be all around a good pick for multiple ages. Apocalyptic scenario with reinventing the wheel as the theme.
        • Cells at Work! - Another one I’ve seen little of, but it was pretty good and teaches a fair bit about the internal human anatomy.
        • Silver Spoon - Anime based around farming. It’s a happy little anime with a bit of serious undertones for the background of the characters. Made by the creator of Full Metal Alchemist. I would also recommend FMA, but there may be some parts of that anime that could be a bit scary for younger teens.
        • Komi Can’t Communicate - Another good romance base. It starts around misunderstandings and the fear of speaking in public, but devolves later into just a regular slapstick romcom. However, that’s mostly in the manga where it goes far beyond the anime.
        • My Hero Academia - I did get into this for a bit, but it sorta fell off my radar for no particular reason.
        • Frieren: Journey’s End - Have not watched all of this, but the first 3 episodes were amazing and the story is endearing as well as very emotional. A great adventure with a touch of tragedy, but it seems well recommended for all ages.

        I have many more, but I have watched a disgusting amount of anime and can’t remember everything. I’ve been watching anime and reading manga since 2006, lol. Please, anyone correct me on any of these. My memory is hazy, especially when it comes to older anime I watched a long time ago.

      • 2ugly2live
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        There are concubines, brothels, and child sexual abuse in that one. Not the most racy depictions, but still 🤷🏿‍♀️

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            To be honest, everyone in the brothel (except for one character that’s not seen often) seems to be vibing and happy with their professions. Some even openly say they like their jobs, so it’s not all doom and gloom. Maomao herself seems indifferent to the possibility of her joining the brothel as a working girl. The child abuse is not shown explicitly, but it is talked about pretty often and it’s pretty blunt about what happened and the reprocussions of it. So nothing graphic, just some busty women here and there.

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      If you’re specifically looking for shows to watch with your daughter, I would highly recommend Little Witch Academia for that demographic.

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      There’s a number of shoujo anime that would fit your list, but it doesn’t make it overseas because the majority of the foreign fan base doesn’t like it. There’s also a bunch of BL anime and manga that is popular in Japan, but not outside for the same reason. For example, take a look at “Aishiteruze Baby”

    • It’s been a while since I’ve seen some of these, so you should probably look into them before watching with your kid, but hopefully it’s a good starting point

      Vivy: Fluorite Eyes Song

      Hyouka (skip the ova)

      Belle

      Trigun

      ACCA: 13 Territory Inspection Dept. (may be a bit boring for a teenager)

      Mushishi (also may be boring for a teenager)

      Nichijou

      Bocchi the Rock

      Weathering With You

      Haibane Renmei (very heavy emotional themes, bit of violence in the first episode, some references to self harm)

      Bakumatsu Kikansetsu Irohanihoheto

      Moribito

      Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind

      The entirety of Studio Ghibli’s work

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      It’s got plenty of unhealthy relationships but addressing and untangling those relationships is like, the core of the plot so yeah I think it for sure passes.

      Edit: Well actually, it does have one kind of contrived sauna scene between two of the women that feels very fan-servicy but is only a minute or so long. And the chest design of the main “monster” is arguably fan service too (There’s even a one-liner gag about it the first time it’s seen). But generally pretty tame and both of those moments are related to a crush one of the characters has.

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    • JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure (Please start on part one)
    • Outlaw Star
    • Trigun
    • Cowboy Bebop
    • Space Dandy
    • Panty and Stocking with Garderbelt
    • Mob Psycho 100
    • Samurai Champloo
    • Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood
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    Would Friren count? Romance of the two teens are age appropriate for them. And two dudes that are enamoured with older women, but I think that’s it.

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      I’m waiting for the canonical reason why the female elves look like children while the one male elf we’ve met is drawn like a grown man. And I really hope it’s not that their brain outpaces their body because then we’re in the “5000 year old witch in a child’s body” trope.

      If this is addressed in the manga, no spoilers plz beyond a simple “Yes, it is.”

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        I’d assume it’s because the only male elf is older? Idk this feels like looking for inappropriate intentions because you want there to be one.

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          I’m sorry if my critical exploration of anime I enjoy makes you feel defensive but I literally just explained why I think that would be the worst reason. Don’t worry no one’s canceling Freiren, we’re just having a chat.

          “Adult elf bodies reflect their own self-image” would be pretty cool. Especially for the monk.

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            I mean, we have a sample size of 3 (in the anime anyway), and don’t actually know for certain how old any of them are. The only thing we really know is that Frieren is likely the youngest.

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        The issue is we’ve encountered so few elves that it’s impossible to say really anything about them as a whole. Maybe that is just how female elves look, maybe frieren and serie are just weird, or something else. But either way, we’re basically just going on what little we’ve been shown which could change later.

        Personally though, I don’t actually mind the 1000 years old but looks like a child trope if it’s not using it as an excuse to sexualuzed the character. Which they really aren’t doing here.

        And on the other hand, I also don’t think Frieren looks like a kid. This is pretty common, I’ll see people point out a character who’s a bit short and sometimes flat (though that’s not always the case even) and say that they look like a kid while I don’t see it. So I don’t know if it’s me or what. Serie does look more like a kid to me though.

        But we get back to the fact that she’s not being sexualuzed anyway, so again, I don’t personally take issue with it.

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      If I wanted to be really nitpicky, they do pay extra attention to Fern’s chest after she grows up. And some of the shots can be a little “male pov.” This is not a diss to the show. I really, really enjoyed this series and would absolutely recommend it.

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      Delicious in Dungeon, Frieren, Hands off my Eizouken, and Bocchi the Rock probably

      Edited to add Spy x Family, and I suppose Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood depending on if one feels Winry is sexualized.

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          Although she appears to be very young, she was born into a long-lived race of elves and has lived for over a thousand years.

          Oh, that old chestnut.

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            Not really, she really is just an old elf lady who looks like a young adult human. There’s nothing sexualised about her, and she’s not childlike. For example here she is next to a human child who becomes her apprentice:

            And here she is talking to a human priest she was adventuring with 50 years ago, he’s grown old, she hasn’t changed:

            And here she is head patting him, to give him reassurance that he did well after he confides that he never felt like he figured out how to be “a grown up” and just kept faking it while growing old:

            The human child is Fern, and the old Priest Heiter picked her up after she was orphaned by a demon attack. Heiter asks Frieren to keep taking care of Fern after his death, and mentor her in magic.

            It’s a really nice relationship driven story with an interesting storyline and magic system.

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            It’s not the 1000-year-old-who-looks-8 trope, it’s the 1000-year-old-who-looks-25 trope. She’s never portrayed as anything close to childlike.

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            That trope bothers me too, but basically any anime female is going to look the same anywhere from 12 to 40 due to the way the features are stylized. So, looking for context clues is how you find the age of a character if it’s not explicitly said. Frieren is absolutely treated like, dresses like, and acts like an adult. She’s smaller than a human man, larger than a dwarf or human child, and while she’s infantalized a little by Fern it’s very much in the “how are you this old and still not taking responsibility for x” way.

      • Medalist

        By the grace of gods

        Non non biyori

        Laid back camp

        The ancient magus bride

        New game

        Himouto Umaru chan

        In the land of Leadale

        I’ve been killing slimes for 300 years

        Kuma kuma kuma bear

        Log horizon

        Ranking of kings

        Shadows house

        Spy x family

        Spice and Wolf

        Ascendance of a bookworm

        Girls und panzer

      • @abbadon420@lemm.ee
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        My daughter (11) wants to watch more anime than what’s on Netflix. Are these good for girls that age, you’d guess?

        • missingno
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          Frieren is very violent. Amazing show, but definitely not for kids.

          Bocchi has exactly one fanservice gag I can recall, but it’s a fairly tame one. Probably fine, the whole rest of the show has nothing else inappropriate I can think of. It is sub-only though, so I guess it really depends on whether she’s fine with reading subtitles?

          Delicious in Dungeon, some violence but nothing gory, compared to Frieren I don’t think it’s too much.

          I haven’t seen the other one that was mentioned so I can’t speak for it.

          Honestly I’d say it depends on your daughter and what you think she can handle. I’m not a parent, so it’s hard for me to judge. Maybe screen a few episodes for yourself and decide what you think is appropriate?

          Edit: Though just to add one more nomination for you, Little Witch Academia immediately comes to mind as a show I think would be absolutely perfect for that age.

          • @Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            My dad let me rent an anime when I was 11 or 12. He was like “eh get whatever, it’s cartoons.”

            I chose Ninja Scroll.

            I turned out fine hahaha

            • @riquisimo@lemmy.world
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              For those unititiated, this anime movie includes a woman who is literally toxic to sleep with. Her body poisons any of her partner and they die shortly after.

              This is confirmed with a scene where someone sleeps with her against her will. It is very not appropriate for a 12 year old.

              • @Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                It was absolutely not appropriate. Add to that the HORRIFICALLY gratuitous dismemberment, decapitation, and other gruesome acts of torture… the fucking honestly was the LEAST of the issue.

                My little brain was like “whoaaaa… anime is bad ass!”

                Then I moved on to stuff like Azumanga, Excel Saga, and Cat Soup. Yknow, the hardcore stuff.

        • @Hoimo@ani.social
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          My 11 year old sister’s recommendation for 11 year old girls: Sk8 the Infinity

          It’s a campy sports anime about an underground skateboarding gang where people skate “to the death” (nobody dies).

          It’s on Crunchyroll or wherever you get your anime ;)

        • @Nefara@lemmy.world
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          If she has creative passions, she might love Hands Off My Eizouken. It’s a show about 3 high school girls who start their own anime club, and work on making a short animation for their first project. The girls are all just girls, weird fun gremlins, whacky passionate kids who want to make something cool together. I can’t remember anything problematic, they even managed to avoid sexualizing a bath episode, but you should screen it first obviously.

          Bocchi would be great for any kid who has had or does have trouble fitting in due to being quirky or different, and has a similar premise of girls getting together to be creative but a different (but also good) vibe.

          Agreeing with the other posters that Frieren wouldn’t be a good choice yet. Delicious in Dungeon might be, but that would be kid dependent and another you would want to screen first to see how you think she’d take it. The tone is mostly light and goofy but there are definitely some scary moments in there.

          Missingno mentioned Little Witch Academia and I would absolutely second that, it’s cute and wholesome and definitely appropriate for kids

        • @abysmalpoptart@lemmy.world
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          I mentioned it above, but i think you should check out “campfire cooking in a strange world with my unique skill.” There’s some monster violence but no people get hurt, for what that’s worth. Overall, thematically, it’s very light and comedic. There might be a few curse words but nothing crazy i don’t think…

          i wasn’t watching it with the lens of how it would be for children so your mileage may vary, but it was very light-hearted and silly.

        • As an enjoyer of non-fanservice Animé, but knowing how different people around the world have different attitudes to appropriateness, I’m going to say that you’re going to have to carefully filter any list yourself.

          For example, all of Girls Under Panzer is free from fan service / sexualization, (apart from the short OVAs which are nothing but that stuff) … but some people don’t like it’s playful attitude to WW2 history.

          SuperCub is another series that features zero sexualisation, but contains themes around depression, isolation, and struggling with interpersonal relationships.

          Gundam: The Witch from Mercury, again no sexualization but features fighting against patriarchal systems and a love story of lesbanins.

          It’s possible that none of these are appropriate for your daughter, when I was 11 I would have devoured them and come back for more.

          Then there’s stuff like Born in Abyss which looks like a cutesy kids adventure but then descends into multiple layers of horror … so, tread carefully.

      • Stern
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        Maybe Saihate No Paladin, Nichijou, and Azumanga Daioh as well.

        • @Nefara@lemmy.world
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          It’s so good! It’s one of my absolute favorites too. The highschool girls are just all believable and grounded characters with real personalities and quirks. The whole thing is really well done.

        • @Nefara@lemmy.world
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          It’s a great show but Winry does wear unnecessarily revealing clothes. I guess a big deal isn’t made out of it. The one that’s a major omission is Spy X Family actually

            • @Nefara@lemmy.world
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              She was specifically drawn that way, it’s not like it was an accident. I acknowledge in her case it’s subjective though because I can’t remember any gratuitous angles and they don’t really focus on it.

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                You … DO realize that kind of judgement is merely a slightly more benign version of the same misogyny as the, “look what she was wearing! She was asking for it” type of thinking, right…? You realize at least some women choose to look pretty without wanting to be oggled or abused, right?

                • @Nefara@lemmy.world
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                  Women with large breasts and slim frames just exist as human beings in reality, but when it’s drawn in anime it’s a choice. Having the “camera” focus on upskirt shots or side boob is a choice. Animating boob bounce is a choice. So a 15 year old depicted in micro skirts and a bandeau, that has a bath scene and a scene where she takes her top off is a choice. This is in the context of a thread talking about anime sexualizing minors. If Winry was a living, breathing girl, she could make those choices herself, in the privacy of her own life, but this is an anime character where she was specifically drawn that way in an industry that is overwhelmingly male dominated. FMA:B IS a very good show, and Winry is a real character with actual traits and a personality, but pretending that all of these design and story decisions weren’t made on purpose by people who almost certainly were adult men is naive.

                  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aAOegc0ezGk&pp=ygUQd2lucnkgYmF0aCBzY2VuZdIHCQmNCQGHKiGM7w%3D%3D

      • @SpicyColdFartChamber@lemm.ee
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        Yup it’s only one I can think of in the good animes that doesn’t glorify unhealthy relationships.

        Them learning to let go of their mom was good. Very rare.

        • @leftzero@lemmynsfw.com
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          Just the one weird bathtub scene.

          Well, and that time she almost accidentally flashes Ed, but they’re practically dating by that point, they just haven’t come to terms with it yet.

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      Eh, they exist. You’ve got classics like Death Note and more recent stuff like Frieren. It’s definitely a short list though.

      • @Nikelui@lemmy.world
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        It’s not that short, you just need to pick a genre different from shounen if you don’t like fanservice. Also many older shounen are good, think about the Digimon, Pokémon and Gundam franchises to name a few famous ones.

        • oce 🐆
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          And so does Lord of the Rings. It’s fantasy, having obviously good people and obviously bad people you kill without remorse is part of the genre.

          • Yes, and that is exactly the moral dilemma Tolkien had. He believed that killing orcs are wrong unless there is a very good reason, so he would have thought it was wrong to kill demons unless there is a very good reason.

                • @Nikelui@lemmy.world
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                  I don’t think he does. The whole point of Sauron trying to enslave Middle Earth is exactly the justification you need for the mass slaughter of the “enemy”. If the orcs were spending the days idly farming and smoking hobbit pipes, you would have a whole other argument against genocide.

        • @leftzero@lemmynsfw.com
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          Creatures with free will and intelligence who evolved those capabilities (and speech) with the sole purpose of being better at hunting humans.

          Creatures with free will and intelligence who eat humans. Not because they need to eat humans, mind, they’re perfectly fine eating other things, but because they genetically like to kill and eat humans.

          Creatures with free will and intelligence who are biologically incapable of feeling emotions like empathy, sympathy, guilt, or remorse. Seriously, some have spent centuries trying to learn how to feel them, and have failed.

          Creatures with free will and intelligence who’ll be the first to admit that they’re better described as savage deceitful beasts, and that it’d be foolish and suicidal to trust them as far as you can throw them.

          And, that said, Frieren the character advocates (with extremely good evidence backed reason) for their genocide, but the book and the authors don’t seem to do the same thing.

          There’s plenty of characters that try to get along with demons, or trust them (and often pay dearly for it), and plenty of chapters where we see the demons’ point of view and can’t fail but to somewhat empathize with them, even if they’d be unable to reciprocate.

          At no point do the book or the authors try to make the readers hate demons. They make us fear them, sure, but mostly they make us feel empathy and pity for them.

          Hell, the fourth fan favourite character is a demon (and what a fantastic character it is).

          (Granted, the third are the mimics, but still.)

          • @hedgehog@ttrpg.network
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            I had never heard of this show before today but what you just described makes it sound cool as fuck, I’m gonna check it out now

            • @leftzero@lemmynsfw.com
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              Couple tidbits before you get to it:

              • The first four episodes were released at once and it’s recommended to watch them in one sitting.
              • While season 1 has some great demon characters (and a lot of great non-demon ones), that fourth fan favourite one won’t show up until season 2, which is currently in production and is expected to come out in January 2026.
          • Sorry to say this, but this a genuine belief I have that makes me unable to enjoy Frieren :(

            I hope that the writer solves this conundrum by either making it clear that demons don’t have free will, or make it so that Frieren doesn’t want to commit a genocide.

            • @helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world
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              Frieren’s emotions on the matter are addressed in episode 7.

              Episode 7 and 8

              The demons acted as peace envoys.

              Its turns out that was a lie to get the humans to turn off the magic force field so they could attack with their demon armies.

              Frieren’s indifference to killing demons is shown to be a necessity for survival.

              It can be a bit hard to wrap our heads around. Humans don’t really face natural predators anymore, so it can be tough for many of us to imagine the kill or get eaten life style.

              Imagine if man-eating spiders started to talk to us, transformed to look like us and became our friends only so we’d let our guard down and open the door to the their spider army. Humans squash bugs indifferently all the time. To Frieren, demons are man-eating bugs that need squashing.

              As for free will, the demons we see do seem have free will, which they use to kill humans, again its a kill or be killed world. It’s about survival, not a senseless eradication of a group of people.

              Qual from ep2 seemed like a nice guy, until you remember he invited the killing spell is being executed for the mass-muder of humans, 80 years in the past.

              • If I, a known child killer, fails to kill a child, and that child grows up to become Hitler. I am then not justified in the murder I attempted.

                As long as the demons have free will Frieren will always be in the wrong for shooting first.

                • If Frieren doesn’t kill the demons, the demons will kill them. The difference between child Hitler and a demon, is that Frieren knows what the demon will do in the future, just like we know what happens when you release a hungry lion in a room full of antalope.

                  Frieren might be shooting first in the battle, but the demons shot first in the war.

                  The demons use human sympathy to gain trust and it works. You feel for them, you want to protect them, may even be attracted to them, and give them a chance and that’s their whole stick. They’re just hungry lions that transformed to look like their prey.

                  Hitler, and the Nazis, had believed that certain groups of people were inferior and a that only a superior race should exist. So what did the rest of the world do? Those that could fight, fought back to survive and protect those that couldn’t.

                  If we’re going to compare roles; Demon king is Hitler, demons are the Nazi forces, Frieren and her party are the allied forces. In the show Frieren is defeating the remnants of an active terrorist cell following in the footsteps of the demon king/Hitler.

                  If you try to put Frieren in the Hitler role, it doesnt make sense. She doesn’t go from town to town murdering anything that’s not an elf. She’s not gaining followers to take over the kingdoms.

                  You could call Frieren racist towards demons; but if a group murdered your entire village, and you watch them do it to countless others over a thousand years, never meeting a “nice” demon, you’d provably learn to shoot first too.

            • @leftzero@lemmynsfw.com
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              Watch season 2 when it comes out. Probably the second half. The Macht flashbacks.

              Somewhat spoily details.

              You’ll get the point of view of a demon trying his best to become something that can coexist with humans without one of the two having to go extinct. And failing, because such is the nature of demons in Frieren’s world.

        • baltakatei
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          Frieren reminds me of my readings about the 19th century Texas Rangers (see Cult of Glory (2020) by Doug J. Swanson) and how Native Americans were literally seen as vermin to be exterminated, even if they assisted in exterminating other indigenous. In real life, a lack of communication and 15th century epidemics divided indigenous peoples who could have otherwise defended their sovereignty; once indigenous children learned the conquering host people’s language (English) and affirmative action applied to close egregious wealth gaps, indigenous people have proved to be ordinary people with another skin color (evidence: me, a member of the Navajo Nation). Frieren, in contrast, portrays a demon child as being irredeemably evil even though they learn the host language and are given second chances and extra attention (by the Himmel); the author implies there is some cognitive divide due to demons being solitary creatures who raise and teach themselves from a very early age (presumably much earlier than the failed experiment Himmel performed); however, that subtlety isn’t emphasized and demons are more akin to starfish aliens than people.

          Overall, I think provoking controversy and discussion around this point is valuable because it invites people to debate the nature of Otherness. In which ways can a person be different enough before they stop being people? What exactly are the differences between “person” and “beast”? Is focusing on those differences the root cause of genocide? Do we hesitate to relax the requirements to be considered a person because we dislike the economic consequences? (e.g. the horror of teaching factory farmed animals to speak)

          I personally consider demons in Frieren analogous to indigenous before colonizing powers, albeit sustained by their long life spans and tendency to independently discover powerful technology (magic). I doubt the author is thinking very hard along these lines, and so fear they will fall back on tried and true story patterns in which animalistic heathens are purged to make way for civilization. But I hope to be surprised.

          • @leftzero@lemmynsfw.com
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            We’ve seen the point of view of demons. They’re not human, or human analogues, in any way, shape, or form.

            They just look and act like humans, as a form of predatory camouflage.

            They’re a perfect example of blue and orange morality (warning, TV Tropes link, abandon all hope ye who enters here).

            We’ve seen (in the manga) a demon spend centuries doing his best to learn how to experience empathy, sympathy, or guilt, so he and other demons can become something that can coexist with humans without one or both of them inevitably ending up extinct.

            He failed.

            There’s no possible long term future in Frieren’s world where both humans and demons exist, unless demons change so fundamentally that they stop being demons (which would be a paradox of sorts, as real demons would then be extinct).

            Demons have one choice: remain true to their nature and eat or exterminate all humans, or cease to be.

            Humans have one choice: let themselves be exterminated, or exterminate all demons.

            No side is committing genocide, they’re just fighting for their own survival, in a world that gives them no other option.

          • Thank you, that’s a very nice writeup. I agree with you that the author probably isn’t thinking as hard as, for example Tolkien did with his orcs. However, I wouldn’t compare the demons in Frieren to indigenous people in america. It’s clear that many demons are really violent, however, even if a lot, or even a majority, of demons are evil, we can’t condem their entire race.

          • missingno
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            I do think there are valuable conversations to be had about the concept of a creature that is considered ontologically evil and wholly irredeemable.

            But I also think reducing that conversation to “Frieren bad” sucks.

    • @SpicyColdFartChamber@lemm.ee
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      Full metal Alchemist is my bet.

      Otherwise I know a lot of good animes but they tend to glorify unhealthy relationships looks at the space cowboy murdering people.

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        The entire plot revolves around Guts’ unhealthy relationship with Griffith. And there are 2 underage looking characters that want to steal Guts from him.

      • simple
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        I love Berserk but uh Schierke having a weird crush on Guts definitely treads on the sexualizing-young-characters trope

        • @Nikelui@lemmy.world
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          The one enemy that appears briefly before getting beaten up into oblivion?

          I agree that a lot of dark stuff happens in Jojo (heck, the protagonist of the 5th saga is a mafia boss), maybe it’s best for mature audiences.

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      Monster was pretty good. 🤷‍♀️

      EDIT Shit someone already did that one.

      Uh.

      Uh!

      Shigurui didn’t have any weird relationship shit I don’t think??

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          I enjoyed Attack on Titan, but halfway through I realized I could literally not root for any of its characters. And by the end, I hated almost all of them.

          It was basically “where the hell are they going with that story” more than anything. But it was worth it.

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      Silent voice, your name, weathering with you and everything from studio ghibli (I personally love porco rosso)

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      Eden of the East I think fits. There’s definitely unhealthy relationships, but they’re not glorified by any means, quite the opposite in fact.

      One of my favs personally, short enough to jump in and finish easily as well for new viewers.