using AI to create these images is really gonna help with the hole in the floor
There’s no way I will find it but I could swear I’ve seen that image before the AI hype.
it must be there for a reason
This is why I can’t take “The purpose of a system is what it does” seriously
Why? The purpose of the system is to not work, so there are no democratic checks.
Seems fatalist to me. Take your preferred system of government, introduce on flaw, and critics will say the flaw is intentional rather than proposing ways to fix it. Also, the purpose of a cancer hospital is to cure two-thirds of cancer patients.
The purpose of a hospital is to cure just enough patients.
And the purpose of Ukraine is to be caught in a stalemate. The West gives them just enough support to never lose, but never enough support to win.
And the purpose of the British government is to pretend like it is responsive to protests.
And the purpose of buses is to burn gasoline and support the oil industry, when trains or trams would be much more efficient.
And the purpose of arguing on the internet is to waste everyone’s time while accomplishing nothing
Etc etc
Wow! An easy answer to every problem. I think you might actually have a semantic stop-sign; an answer to everything that suppresses curiosity. Why isn’t the hospital curing more patients? “That’s not its purpose!”
The purpose of the hospital is to cure patients as cost-effectively as it can. We don’t have enough doctors in Canada, not because that is by design, but because we are failing as a country and could do better.
The internet was obviously not created with that intention, but social media may have that purpose.
Anyway, what I love about this phrase, the purpose of a system is what it does, is that it implies there’s no point in trying to fix anything. There’s no point in even checking if there is anything that can be fixed or improved; there is no point in separating the good stuff from the bad when we burn everything down; the only way to improve anything is revolution. That’s different of course from my perspective – revolution can fix the worst problems but there still exist other problems that can be solved without such a dicy method.
Oh, maybe it was this one.
It’s so ironic that this one is made by the Russian artist, and the whole story repeats itself so far with one part of the nation being in the hostage of the other.
We’re losing this battle so quickly. It’s unreal to me how fucked we are.
First time? If there’s one thing I’ve learned, it’s that normies don’t give a fuck and just want their simple distractions, regardless of what the greater cost to society is.
Like sweeping the tide with a broom
who cares
Quite a lot of people, especially here on the Fediverse. You’d be wise to care too - AI is no friend to the working class.
I don’t and won’t. I didn’t make this I stole it from another site like a responsible punk
You’re not a punk if you don’t care about so-called “AI”. You’re a bootlicker with attitude.
Butthurt
Smoked ham!
See, I can do non sequiturs as well! /s
yes you are sarcastic in implying you can do anything as well as me.
*AI in its current form, owned by the very wealthy, right?
I mean, I suppose so. I can imagine a theoretical AI that isn’t trained on stolen work, isn’t insanely energy intensive, isn’t controlled by the ownership class, and doesn’t hallucinate wildly. But that’s so far away from what AI is in our current context, drawing that distinction feels like losing the forest for the trees, at this point in time.
Why do you need to bootleg an already existing comic with AI?
When I was younger, I thought calling piracy theft made it sound like if someone actually made the work appear as it was made by them. Generative AI made that a reality.
I don’t care what you think at all, you could have not wrote this. Imagine spending your time doing this lol
Only idiots think it’s cringe to care about things
you do realise you’re one of the people on the right by saying that?
Stealing an image from another source and not caring about someone else’s pet cause does not make me right wing lol jesus fucking christ get some god damn perspective. AI is neutral to shitty and I don’t care about what you people think about it.
They didn’t call you right-wing, they said you’re one of the fingers-in-ears denialists on the right side of the comic you posted.
Also, the danger posed by AI isn’t “someone’s pet cause”. It’s a global issue. Stop pretending to be some cool, level headed rationalist when really you’re just feeling called out for being wrong.
I meant on the right side of the boat of the comic, not right-wing
I know you didn’t create this image but someone did and they’re ignorant for complaining about a problem while blatantly being part of said problem.
Literally the person you are responding to
PS: also me and a whole lot of other people; just pointing out of pointless your question/statement was.
Why would I care what you think about anything?
Because you’re a human being
In what way won’t it help? Be specific.
Training large models like an LLM (text generation) or a stable diffusion model (image generation) consumes a lot of energy and using these models isn’t cheap either. It’s bad for the climate in the same way cryptocurrency is.
+1, it is much worse than even proof-of-work crypto though. I think AI is the bigger enemy, since at least in crypto, there are ways of developing and using it that aren’t as bad (or even at all) for the climate.
while proof of stake is better, I still think everything crypto is a big capitalist waste of energy
AI is quite energy intensive
How energy intensive?
Like, compared to random cat videos on youtube n all?And would the addition of renewable energy be able to handle it?
Using it, not all that energy intensive (one llm use is roughly the same as 3 pre-ai-bullshit google searches iirc). Training it, very energy intensive.
Yes it would but we haven’t even replaced all our previous needs with renewables so it aint helping.
Using it, not all that energy intensive
According to this article, this is not considered true anymore:
As conversations with experts and AI companies made clear, inference, not training, represents an increasing majority of AI’s energy demands and will continue to do so in the near future. It’s now estimated that 80–90% of computing power for AI is used for inference.
I think there’s a reason why OpenAI, Microsoft, Google and Facebook hold the energy consumption and water usage numbers so close to their chest.
Oh damn. Very good article btw.
According to numbers floating around online, thiat would mean one llama query is around as expensive as 10 google searches. And it’s likely that those costs will increase further.
It still seems like the biggest factor here is the scale of adaptation. Unfortunately the total energy costs of AI might even scale exponentially since the more complex the queries get, the better the responses will likely be. And that will further drive adaptation.
This pace is so clearly unsustainable it’s horrifying, and while it was obvious to some degree, it seems it’s worse than I thought.
This article is dubious. When it comes to training it uses a lot of sensationalist and unsupported estimates. Notice the following quote:
OpenAI and President Donald Trump announced the Stargate initiative, which aims to spend $500 billion—more than the Apollo space program—to build as many as 10 data centers (each of which could require five gigawatts, more than the total power demand from the state of New Hampshire).
I am DEEPLY sceptical of those figures. Like, what data center uses FIVE BLOODY GIGAWATTS. DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH FIVE GIGAWATTS IS. DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THAT’D COST.
The use of metaphor is also concerning, comparing it to San Francisco or New Hampshire or household electricity consumption.
America produced 4,000TWH of electricity a year. This report says “22% of household consumption in 2028”, which if I commit the faux pass of mixing data it gets me 7% of US power consumption. A lot, but not apocalyptic and merely a projection for future power consumption. It’s also less than the 50GW to 10 data centers alone in the line I quoted above.
It’s right in that the core problem is that we don’t know and so I can’t fault it for assuming the worst, but even then there are limits.
As for the usage, the document you linked puts generating an image using stable diffusion at 400W seconds, or as much as my computer consumes at idle for 8 seconds. I’m gonna stop reading this article because I’m tired and this isn’t worth it.
I’m not pro-AI. I don’t like how it makes it so easy to fill the internet with slop. I don’t like how it discourages the people who use it from any and all critical thought. I’ve used AI twice, to reword by assignment questions in college because no amount of googling made the phrasing make sense. All I want is for the fearmongering about AI power consumption to stop, not just because it’s inaccurate, but also because it encourages investment into gas-fired power generation to “prepare for the AI boom”.
America produced 4,000TWH of electricity a year. This report says “22% of household consumption in 2028”, which if I commit the faux pass of mixing data it gets me 7% of US power consumption.
7% is a fucking lot though?? That’s an immense amount of power going towards slop instead of making our lives better or growing the economy or actually being productive.
It’s like we just decided to start burning our limited reserves of natural gas for fun.
Be specific.
Adjust your goddamn tone, when speaking with humans. You’re not prompting a so-called “AI”.
Social media, including Lemmy, doesn’t warrant that.
You make this point like there’s any other option.
I would love to not have to vote for a Democrat.
But I have to, because we are all doomed.
You don’t have a say in the dictatorship of capital and white supremacy so it doesn’t matter what you do. If it makes you feel better then do it but it doesn’t accomplish anything.
but it doesn’t accomplish anything.
That’s what they want you to think.
No, they absolutely want you to think voting is the only way to achieve change, despite organizing being a far more consistent and effective lever to pull than voting. They want you constrained within the boundaries of electoralism because they set up the system so the house always wins, regardless of party.
You can do both, you know? Vote for the party that doesn’t want to drive the country off the next cliff, and demand that they do better.
“Demanding that they do better” isn’t what I’m talking about. The system is designed precisely to not damage the profits of Capital. Asking the Dems as nicely as possible will not make things better. This strategy does not work. In order for government to listen to the working class, it needs to be owned by the working class, not Capitalists. Everything else would be table scraps.
Further, the Dems can’t prevent the country from driving off a cliff, the US Empire has been in decline as more countries have gone against its plunder. There’s less plunder now, so the working class feels the squeeze the most. We need to organize and sieze control.
You should read a book
I’ve been voting in every election and primary for the last 25 years.
When will it start to effect change?
You’re spouting leftist rhetoric as if you’re actually on the side of the working class, yet have no problem snubbing the actual work and resorting to billionaires’ pet AIs. Be consistent, you poseur. If you actually cared about the working class you wouldn’t be rubbing artists out of the picture by using genAI, and you’d certainly be against the potential for AI to erase millions of jobs and devastate the environment with energy demands.
There are other options. Join a socialist org and organize/eductate within your workplace and community.
You don’t have to vote for a Democrat.
People have been voting Democrats the whole time on our path to where we are, it didn’t stop us from being doomed. We had 2 Obama terms right before Trump 1, then we had a Biden term between Trump 1 and 2 and it stopped/fixed nothing.
You can join Leftist parties and try to build up alternatives that can avoid doom, you don’t have to side against the people trying to save us all.
The reason there isn’t any other option is because nobody puts in the effort to add other options.
There’s a Simpsons meme currently in Active on 196 rn from 1994 pointing out how ineffective both parties are. People have had longer than I have been alive to work on a third way.
America isn’t collapsing now all of a sudden. People have been passively watching it die for decades.
Better to jump into shark infested waters than to try and patch a sinking ship
Except no one on that boat is doing that
Better to organize and join revolutionary parties that stand a chance to actually not sink, when neither the Democrats nor Republicans can patch the hole (move beyond Capitalism and into Socialism, that is). The hole is Capitalism, it cannot be fixed by parties who are bought by Capitalists to serve their interests.
Except the point of the cartoon is that they don’t want to patch that sinking ship.
Better in a slowly sinking ship than to be torn apart by sharks. Even if the people in the ship are ignoring it’s sinking.
And ironically depending on the boat’s construction it may fill with water and still maintain some buoyancy. Or only half the boat will fill. The boat will be a lot worse, but still provide a barrier to the sharks
You’re getting too lost in the metaphor, here. Capitalism itself is unsustainable, and neither the DNC nor GOP are willing to transition to Socialism, or even can. The only option is worker organization and overthrow of the system. There are no “sharks,” there’s no bouyancy in a dying Empire as Capitalism collapses, there’s either Socialism or barbarism in our future.
Fascist = sharks
I’d say capitalism will be easier to defeat under a liberal democracy than and authoritarian fascist regime.
It’s better to stay separated from the sharks I’d say
You’re somehow even more off-base. Fascism is a result of Capitalism needing to defend itself through its own self-induced crises via violent means. There isn’t a “choice” to make between liberalism and fascism, they are the same ideology justifting the same underling Mode of Production, finding itself in different circumstances. In other words, if the US is in prosperity, its ideology is seen as “liberal,” if the US is in decay and responds to unrest with crackdowns, it is seen as “fascist,” despite the same motive factors applying in both situations.
Capitalism isn’t any easier or harder to defeat under the DNC or GOP, both are violent against worker organizing and have near-identical foreign policy (as is necessary to keep the Imperialist machine going). The DNC is not going to treat Socialists any nicer than the GOP, as the DNC and GOP are far closer together than the DNC is to Socialists.
I highly recommend you read Blackshirts and Reds, at least the first chapter as it goes over fascism (though the whole book is great).
Sorry I’m not going to buy your “both sides are the same” bullshit when one side is currently utilizing a foreign gulag.
Neither is ideal, but it doesn’t take a genuis to parse out which is worse for the worker.
It’s low key Nazi apology rhetoric
The concentration camps were open under the DNC and expanded. Both the DNC and GOP make open use of camps like Guantanamo Bay and brutalize immigrants and foreigners, liberal media outlets like CNN obfuscate them while the DNC is in office and highlight them when the GOP is. It’s how consent is manufactured. It isn’t “one side” that has these camps open, both the GOP and DNC utilize them to terrorize people the US gov considers its enemies. The camps don’t close down for 4-8 years between parties, they stay running and often expand under both parties.
Neither is acceptable for workers. The working class needs Socialism. Capitalism is crumbling, the US is de-industrialized because financial Imperialism was incredibly profitable, but as the US loses its influence it loses its super-profits from Imperialism. Neither bourgeois party can or will make the transition from an economy where private ownership is the principle aspect to one where public ownership is the principle aspect, so the working class must force that through organizing and overthrow.
Finally, the bit on Nazi apologia is absurdly off-base, and insulting. You are minimizing the actual and real extent the DNC has expanded and utilized the very same camps you call “gulags” simply due to ignorance or partisan loyalty to the DNC. I’m apologizing for neither party, my point is that both are unacceptable, not that “the GOP isn’t as bad” as you are painting my stance to be. You should absolutely read Blackshirts and Reds.
Ahhh cool dude. Better to slowly sink into the shark infested waters than to just crash the boat.
Don’t do anything to fix the hole or anything.
A slowly sinking boat gives me more time to breathe and therefore more time to fix it.
Being in shark infested waters gives me neither of those things.
It’s very basic self preservation.
Also don’t pretend the ship was crashed. It wasn’t it was just straight into shark infested waters. If crash was an option I’d pick it.
ah, classic .ml memes
Leftists are going to continue to point out that relying on Imperialist bourgeois parties to implement the necessary changes to uplift the working class, ie advance into Socialism and leave Capitalism behind, is a losing game where the house always wins.
I remember around the election that liberals would try to tell the Leftists with these same, consistent critiques, to wait until after the election, but it looks like that was just an excuse to tell Leftists to never speak up.
Nah, Tories are like vampires and always come back somehow.
As a vampire, please don’t compare us to those fucking monsters. It’s extremely insensitive. Most of us are, in fact, antifascist, probably from the turnings of dying allied soldiers during the war…
@srubhut nope nope nope in my country red is left and blue is fascist
Good for you, do you want a medal?
🏅
@srubhut if I can shove it up that hole
I mean, inside the heart of Empire, you’re going to have a lot of cults. I think that, you know, way back when the Catholic Church and Constantine, you know, unified under one religion, which was Christianity. And I think it was an attempt to deal with all the madness. But now we live in the modern world. So, I don’t know, we just got a lot of cults. And so a lot of crazy shit’s going to happen when the volume turns up. Everybody’s so sure of themselves and they think they’re real smart and shit. I believe in the apocalypse, only as a self-fulfilling prophecy. I think we have approached this time history. It’s going to get real scary when you talk to people, you know, and you realize how far gone they are. Plus, they’re going to dig their heels in, you know, because they don’t have framework or a goddamn clue.
