AI ingesting AI slop and falling apart is not dissimilar to boomers ingesting rightwing slop and falling apart.
If I had the money and a computer able to handle the amount of stuff I’d be throwing at it with a local model, I would have a giant website full of AI generated nonsense purely for the purpose of letting AI gobble it up to help the AI incest problem.
Imagine if a whole metric ton of “websites” did this. The thieving AI companies would either have to start blocking all of these sites or deal with an issue they don’t wanna because they’re too stingy and will probably just have their AI try ( and fail ) to fix the problem.
That was certainly cool. Now I wish I could use tools like that nepenthes on my neocities page.
Ffs, neural networks and LLMs have their place and can be useful, but setting up datacentres that snort up the entire internet indiscriminately to create a glorified chatbot that spews data that may or may not be correct is insane.
Human society does the same thing.
We’re ok when we talk about what we saw.
Less so when we talk about what somebody else saw.
Crazier and crazier when we talk about what somebody said about what somebody said about what somebody saw. Which is arguably the internet.
I predicted this. It is similar to a photocopy of a photocopy that eventually ends up a mess of garbage noise.
Another problem I’ve realized today, is the proliferation of data that was originally hallucinated by AI.
I was discussing an issue on a software with a coworker and he asked an AI for help configure around it. He then sent me “apparently we can try changing this setting to this value”. I told him to first validate if that setting really existed because AI tends to make up things like that when it’s what you would want to hear and running a test would take us 20~30 minutes.
He found some discussions about that setting not working as people expected. “ok at least it exists then” and we tried it. It didn’t work. I later cloned the source of that software and checked, the setting didn’t exist - ever.
I love that you even specifically said, “Yea, let’s check to make sure that setting exists to begin with.” To which instead of actually fucking checking, they proceed to google more about the setting and use someone else’s ‘discussion’ online of it not working as proof that it does exist, even though they were likely having that discussion because the setting didn’t exist.
This is also how I can tell this story is 100% true.
I don’t miss working support at all and am reminded of it like this daily
The benefit of working with open source code bases or being able to check the source for existing features.
It’s very common for there to be hidden settings, with open source one can look at the code based but with closed source a search may be one’s only hope.
I’ve been predicting this for a while now and people kept telling me I was wrong. Prepare for dot com burst two, electric boogaloo.
I hope it crashes but what if the market completely embraces feels-based economics and just says that incomprehensible AI slop noise is what customers crave? Maybe CEOs will interpret AI gibberish output in much the same way as ancient high priests made calls by sifting through the entrails of sacrificed animals. Tesla meme stock is evidence that you can defy all known laws of economic theory and still just coast by.
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Good. Eat yourself you technological prion disease.
This is a rare insult and I like it
The silver lining of AI slop filling the WWW
Garbage in, garbage out.
Who could have possibly predicted that?
The recycling industry begs to differ. Well, exceptions prove the rule.
Depends what materials you’re recycling. Glass and plastic both require virgin material, else you’d get garbage out.
Paper works up to 6 times at best, if someone is able to track the same batch. But recycling paper uses more energy than using virgin, and if virgin paper sourced from a sustainable place like Canada, then recycled paper is actually worse for the environment because of the energy thing and de-inking water waste. Also the timber is cut for housing actually and only the edges of the logs are used to make chips for making paper. So trees aren’t being cut solely for paper (from sustainable countries). Until we meet again (insert Skeletor running away)
Glass and plastic both require virgin material, else you’d get garbage out.
Everything I’m reading suggests the problem with glass recycling is contamination, and that once that’s accounted for what’s left over can be infinitely recycled without quality loss.
Source? Ive never found a factory that does this in practice. They all add virgin material
Unfortunately I’m not finding much explicit information on the specific processes, just that it’s possible.
- Wikipedia says it’s infinitely recyclable
- So does this waste disposal place
- The Australian CSIRO also says it’s “endless”
- Alternatively, this PDF from a state government here says it’s often mixed in with virgin materials, but doesn’t mention why.
Now of course just because it can be recycled indefinitely, doesn’t mean it is in practise. Could be contamination, colouring, or just plain cost.
I don’t think infinitely recyclable doesn’t mean it doesn’t need virgin material. I don’t know what that would be called
This has always been true, but LLMs have expedited the process by taking the garbage out and sticking it right back into the input.
Good. Poison the AI well. Rot this shit to the ground.
Aww boo hoo, did someone generate a degenerative feedback loop? Yeah? Did someone make a big ol’ oppsy whoopsy that’s gunna accelerate in hallucinations and slop as it collapses in on itself? How’s the coded version of a microphone whine going to go, you silly buttholes?
People are putting AI generated pitfalls to guard their content.
They reference nonsense links that usually cannot even be seen by normal users, the AI reads the pages and finds more garbage links even as more are generated by the site.
It’s just so unfortunate that, in causing AI to delve down these winding paths, to propagate these slopfest feedback loops, the computers that are running the AI are burning real resources, polluting our atmosphere.
Unfortunate is not the right word to describe the deep lament I feel, to cause such destruction for so little, if any, gain at all. My heart is heavy with regret for us all. Not just you and I, but for beast, bird, plant as well. Such a shame.
There is a solution to this. Make a **perfect ** AI detecting tool. The only way I can think of is through adding a tag to every bit of AI-generated data,
Though it could easily be removed from text, I guess.And no, training AI to recognize AI will never work. Also every model would have to join this, or it won’t work.
LOL you’re suggesting people already doing something unbelievably stupid should do something smart to compensate.
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Also people won’t be able to pass AI work off as their own if it is labeled as such. Cheating and selling slop is the chief use for AI so any tag or watermark will be removed on the vast majority of stuff.
There’s also liability. If your AI generates code that’s used to program something important and a lot of people are injured or die, do you really want a tag that can be traceable to back the company to be on the evidence? Or slapped all over the child sex abuse images that their wonderful invention is churning out?
It’s very tempting to have schadenfreude about this failure but also disgusting that so much has been invested in it that should have been put to better use.
It’s just another example of a system whose narrow definition of success is taking human and environmental value and using it to extract more. It’s not aimed at solving worthwhile problems or making things better, which is why people are becoming more miserable and the planet is getting wrecked.
You could say that it’s the system we live in which is the AI, feeding on itself and becoming more sick.
In my case it’s not so much schadenfreude as just wanting this nightmare era to end as quickly as possible. The sooner this LLM shit dies the sooner we can start to recover and move on, in terms of stopping the senseless waste of water and energy and maybe starting to rebuild some kind of useful internet.
