Elon Musk issued a curt rebuke of ketamine abuse allegations after a viral clip of his erratic behavior at a dinner recirculated online.

The clip—taken in March during a visit to Donald Trump’s Bedminster golf club in New Jersey—shows Musk balancing spoons at a dinner table while one of his baby mamas, Shivon Zilis, watches in silent concern.

At the time, X user and “retired army medic” Molly Ploofkins tweeted the clip with the caption, “Musk playing with his silverware while tripping on ketamine at Bedminster.”

  • @philpo@feddit.org
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    Tbh, his Ketamine use makes me very very happy. He should do it more often.

    Why? Ketamine abuse leads to severe damage of the urinary tract system. According to various sources this is already happening - and the damage is irreversible. Patients suffering from them are unable to pee - while having a massive urge to do so (imagine a decade long UTI, with your bladder really filled to the brim but you can’t pee physically). And in the end it fucks their kidneys up due to the urine backing up into it. (And no, he can’t get a transplant then. As the ureter is the problem and damaged beyond repair there isn’t that much that can’t be done then)

    Furthermore the combination of drugs he admits he takes is a prime setup for a ketamine induced persistent psychosis. Elmo is already showing massive signs of intermittent or persistent psychosis, but things can get worse - far worse for him. Because the combination he takes can sometimes lead to a chronic persistent psychosis with auditory or visual hallucinations, delirium and ongoing psychosis symptoms. In other words: He would get so batshit crazy that a normal person would either be admitted in time and for a long time or kill themselves. In his case it’s more likely that his staff would make sure he doesn’t kill himself and lock him away. (Kill as in “running over a highway butt naked because the Zombie cows hunt them” or “trying to stop a train by a naruto move”)

    When I still worked in a psychiatric hospital we gad a similar guy - actually not unintelligent,but fried his brain with a similar mixture. In the end result he needed massive loads of drugs so he wouldn’t be in a constant state of panic (mostly because every shadow was a giant spider trying to kill him) but basically made him a zombie. And,as he did a few awful things in this state of terror(setting fire to the psychiatric hospital twice, push a old lady in front of a bus -she was not hurt as the bus was imaginary,too-, stabbing a kindergarten teacher in front of her class) he was with us for years in a locked/high security ward. Aftee that he left us towards a similar ward in a permanent nursing facility.

    There is a good chance he won’t have a nice retirement life. Which is well deserved.

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      You’re very optimistic.

      he did a few awful things in this state of terror(setting fire to the psychiatric hospital twice, push a old lady in front of a bus -she was not hurt as the bus was imaginary,too-, stabbing a kindergarten teacher in front of her class)

      Scale this up for the richest man on earth and I dread what can happen.

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        Yeah my main worry is that people are so unbelievably obsequious towards billionaires and reich-wing “leaders” that even an obviously psychotic one might not get them to pause and think about what the hell they’re doing

      • @philpo@feddit.org
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        Yeah,can happen. Or he does something so self harming (like trying to open the door of his jet midflight) that they “hide him”. Most of these cases tend to be so uncoordinated,that even being superrich won’t help much.

        We will see. I hope you are not right - but your concern is absolutely valid.

        • @Smoogs@lemmy.world
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          Yeah I could see the jet door opening while he’s screaming ‘ITS ALL JUST A SIMULATION’

          and maybe it is but at least the rest of us can live more in peace within the simulation after that.

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        A bit of added hope: Ketamine directly caused hypertension. Not for long,but for a good amount. I literally shot a patient from 130/80 to 220/120 once.

        That is not very good for the vessels in his heart and brain.

    • @normanwall@lemmy.world
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      I suspect it’s been going on for years and is why he had them illegally install a bathroom next to where he slept, so he wouldn’t keep waking security going to pee so frequently

    • HEXN3T
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      As a substance user, I’m glad. You get what you put in. Good in? Good out. Bad in? Bad out.

      Substances are the ultimate representation of karma–and the muskrat craves, and craves, and craves. Let his soul be ravaged relentlessly by hundreds of thousands of talons.

    • Bucky
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      Maybe he’ll OD and this problem will finally go away. He’s maybe the worst person who has ever lived.

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        Oh,I personally know a few even worse people - but I worked in a high security forensic mental health unit for a while. And let’s not start about some people living in the mid of the last century. Ishii, Beria, a whole lot of Nazis, there are plenty to choose from.

        Anyway: The bad news is: It is really really really hard to overdose on Ketamine. Unlike Fentanyl or Heroine, it does not stop the breathing of the patient unless administered in really high doses really fast

        As he is likely getting his stuff from a pharmacy and not a shady dealer the chances for that are rather slim.

        • @philpo@feddit.org
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          Yeah, especially with pharmacy grade stuff.

          I frequently use it prehospitaly for analgesia and anaesthesia and Ketamine unlike other drugs as real bad effects being underdosed - so I tend to use rather large doses And yet i. 25 years I have to manage to “overdose” someone that bad that they actually stop breathing without a second or third drug (Midazolam and Rocuronium for that matter).

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      So would he have to catheter himself each time he wanted to pee or do you think he just has one in there most of the time?

      • @philpo@feddit.org
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        Difficult to say and Urology is absolutely not my subject (funny enough I am writing this in my urologist’s waiting room), but a few things to consider:

        • Unlike normal urinary retention his ureter will be heavily inflamed. That can also include the Urethra(to a far lesser extent than the ureter,though) and might at some point even inflame the prostata. This makes regular catheters really uncomfortable and also hard to get in. So… there is that.

        • Additionally frequent single use catheterization into an inflamed tissue increases the risk of infection. Additionally the user needs to keep strict hygienic standards…which addicts often can’t follow. So either he has someone doing that for him or the perspective is rather uncanny. Even with that his erectile function might be impeded.

        • On the other hand a permanent catheter had its own drawbacks and I am not sure if he would accept one. Because that would mean no more children (at least not the normal way), having the bag attached permanently,etc.

        • The other option is a so called suprapubic catheter - a small surgical hole above the pubic bone with a permanent catheter placed in it. Also a nasty thing in terms of germ ingress.

        Last but not least: The catheter will solve the “urine in the bladder” issue,but not the kidney issues as the backup there to a certain degree happens above the bladder - inside the ureter. It can be mitigated by putting a ureteral stent in them,but these are mighty uncomfortable and need to be replaced every few months - via endoscope. Through his dick.

        So in the end: Don’t do Ketamine,guys.

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          Word is that he already has a non-working unit due to a botched penis enlargement surgery, and all his children have been born due to IVF.

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        Our old relative ended up with a semi permanent catheter when he had bladder issues (I think just from being 99 years old).

        Had it until he died a couple years later and used to love patting his pee bag to let us know he just went. Usually at dinner.

      • @Smoogs@lemmy.world
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        The catheter will for sure be exacerbating a UTI constantly. Those really should be short term use or just when you’re terminal which is short term use.

      • @philpo@feddit.org
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        And a Foley into an inflamed urethra past an inflamed prostata into an inflamed bladder…is as much fun as it sounds.

    • @okmko@lemmy.world
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      If you don’t mind sharing, what is the exact combination of drugs that leads to psychosis like you described, besides ketamine ofc?

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        There is some evidence that ketamine combined with hallucination inducing agents like Shrooms can favour psychosis. Additionally we know that inhibition reducing agents like MDMA combined with other drugs also increase the risk for psychosis.

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          Damn, I’m not drug naive, but habitual use of ketamine and psilocybin and MDMA sounds dangerous. Long-term use MDMA alone is dangerous.

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    “silent concern?” She’s rocking back and forth like she’s just as high as he is.

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    Everyone likes to laugh at Turnip and Muskrat for being, talking and acting like idiots … which they are … but enough of a country voted to have this clown in office, who then selected this unelected monkey to run their country.

    Who’s the idiot in this scenario? The idiot doing idiot things … or the people who made it all possible and allowed the idiots to gain power?

    It’s going to take a lifetime for me to look at an American as anything ressembling intelligence.

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      They’re all idiots.

      People that voted for Trump are idiots.

      People who didn’t vote for anyone are idiots.

      Dems who failed to read the room are idiots.

      Republicans supporting Trump are idiots.

      I think Musk is his own special class of idiot though.

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        He’s got all the problems of Dr. Manhattan and none of the upsides. Everything bores him and it’s destroying him. Well, couldn’t have happened to a more deserving individual.

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      I’m an American, and it’s going to take me a lifetime to look at America as anything resembling intelligence.

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        That’s the thing and something I’ve noticed for many years and in meeting many Americans.

        The majority of Americans I’ve met in person were good wholesome people and most of the time I couldn’t tell the difference if they were American or Canadian (unless they had a strong accent from the American south).

        It’s when you start talking about politics or religion that things seem to fall apart. There’s a strong Christian ‘identity’, it’s certainly not religious … cult like but not religious.

        But in the mix are good natured people with good natured ideas of politics and inclusion … but the loudest most obnoxious ones always seem to win out.

        I’ve done my best to not paint all Americans as selfish, ignorant, self absorbed, hateful individuals … but in light of everything that is coming out of the US government, which should represent the ideas and attitudes of a country … it is getting harder and harder to like America or Americans.

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          I don’t blame you. I grew up here thinking that most people were generally good/decent people. I was propagandized to hell and back and grew up believing that America was as good as it got in the world. Other places (like Canada) weren’t bad, but just but as great as America.

          It wasn’t until I left my cult-like religion (Mormonism) at age 18 that I truly started learning more accurate history and exploring other cultures that I realized how deep in the hole I was as a human. I spent 20 years thinking that America was imperfect but had the potential to be better, and to come to terms with it’s thorny past. Obama being elected seemed to prove that potential.

          Trump (then Trump 2.0) had destroyed that last illusion and I’m not sure what it would take to rebuild any sense of pride in my country. My entire extended family (as far as I’m aware of) are all in support of what is happening here, and it is stressing any vestige of relationship I had left after leaving their religion all those years ago.

          Trust takes years to build, and a moment to lose. America has lost any trust in this moment. It’ll take a lifetime to rebuild at best. My son is in for a harder life because of it and I can’t help feeling guilty

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          It’s when you start talking about politics or religion that things seem to fall apart. There’s a strong Christian ‘identity’, it’s certainly not religious … cult like but not religious.

          It’s called American Civil Religion.

        • @JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world
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          Mate, the ones I went to school with knew about Thailand, knew about Singapore, but couldn’t point out Malaysia to save their lives.

    • @slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org
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      That’s the funniest part about it. “Look at that idiot” you mean your leader, the guy you elected twice? Yeah… What an idiot.

    • @Klear@lemmy.world
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      Also worth pointing out that the idiots Trump and Musk are succeeding in their every goal. People loved to laugh at Mush for turning Twitter into shit as if that wasn’t what he was going for in the first place.

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    Nothing beats Elon Musk doing Sieg Heils, but the reminders of his other idiocies - to say nothing about the harm of being a drug addict - are really bad too.

    • @474D@lemmy.world
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      Playing with spoons? Sure, bored. Playing with spoons while floatily moving back and forth staring at it intently? Definitely not bored, probably having the experience of a lifetime lol

  • @HugeNerd@lemmy.ca
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    Or typical Asperger’s behavior. The amount of times I started talking about the thrust-to-weight ratio of jet engines vs rocket engines on a date … You’d think one of the world’s richest men, and technophile, would find some other substance to trip with?

      • @HugeNerd@lemmy.ca
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        Price-wise he could get anything he wants. If ketamine has all these side effects, why pick this?

        • @Zenith@lemm.ee
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          Most (all?) of the good drugs have side effects. Ketamine actually doesn’t have that many side effects unless you’re overusing and/or using it for a long time.

          • @HugeNerd@lemmy.ca
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            I have such a drug as well and far fewer people would gossip about it: alcohol. Many different flavors too.

        • Cornpop
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          Like others have said every drug has side effects. Nature of the best. Ketamine is extremely safe though and almost impossible to OD on.

    • @Bytemeister@lemmy.world
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      Do you ever sit around and try to visualize energy as 4th dimensional geometry?

      This is why I don’t need drugs.

      • If your mind is already primed for that kind of thinking, I’d say you should definitely do psychedelic drugs. You’d have a lot of fun with mushroom visuals, no side effects just be smart.

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          NGL, D.A.R.E. did a number on me. I don’t think I would try shrooms.

          I had a THC gummy once, and I don’t recall it doing anything to me. I was also loaded up on anti-histamines at the time, and my friend said that may have stopped any high or euphoria from it.

          Haven’t tried since.

    • LadyButterflyshe/her
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      I fucking HATE Musk, and my feeling is that its substances. I did also wonder if its autistic behaviour, and I’m disappointed you’ve got so many downvotes

        • @sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          I haven’t watched the video, but I’ve definitely played with spoons, forks, water cups, knives, and made towers out of the grape jelly packets from childhood through to adulthood if it strikes my fancy. I know this isn’t exactly “normal” but it’s kind of fun. It’s probably also fun if you’re tripping on ketanine, IDK.

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    I have a new theory: Elon Musk is a habitual masturbator. He’s addicted to the fap, and is ashamed of it. His ketamine-flooded brain, in an attempt to square it with his inflated ego, came up with the nonsense theory that he has a duty to reproduce as much as possible by donating his sperm to gold digging women instead of his own protruding belly button. That’s probably why he tried to keep it a secret, because it’s something he’s ashamed of.

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      The White House just publicly admitted he was on Ketamine, Ecstasy, and multiple psychedelics the entire time he has been a federal employee.

      Yeah he’s probably a gooner too but we should never let them live down their drug addict nepo baby cabinet pick, or any of their other ones.

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      That confirmed what I thought, its actually wayy worse. Its permanent urinary retention. Had transient version of it a few times doing DXM and its terrifying and horribly uncomfortable if not downright painful.

      The only thing at the time that can help you is taking a bath or immersing your junk in hot water so it relaxes everything and makes you reflexively pee but thats a pain in the ass if you gotta do it every time you need to piss. He’s in for a horrible reality check if he isnt already currently at that point.

      Jesus, he has such shit taste in drugs and using then

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        The only thing at the time that can help you is taking a bath or immersing your junk in hot water so it relaxes everything and makes you reflexively pee

        Matthew Perry mystery solved!

    • @ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one
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      The videos Musk so HIGH on ketamine that he is BALANCING a bunch of spoons and showing a lot fine motor control.

      Everything that ketamine is famous for doing to people.