According to a recent pen state uni poll, 80% of Israeli society support the forced removal of Palestinians from Gaza. If we follow the reasoning in this post, the Israeli society is kinda locco ◑﹏◐
Either that, or the psychological abuse techniques that militaries do to turn normal people into obedient soldiers are effective. Israel has compulsory military service, so nearly all of the population of the country went through it. That’s how they get that 80% support.
I dont oppose donald trump because im a democrat or a liberal.
I oppose donald trump because im not a fucking psychopath.
Opposing donald trump is so obvious, so common sense, such a bare-minimum, fundamental-level, being a human 101 position that if it isn’t immediately self-evident to you after learning the basic facts, your problem is, much, much deeper than whatever ideology or bias or prejudice you might happen to have. There’s something wrong with you as a person.
Even most of the conservative politicians in the US seemed to take this approach, until he started winning (read also: liberal politicians failed to counter his right-wing populism).
What is the point of this completely off topic non-sequitor?
It’s the same template as the original post. Parallels are being drawn between support for Trump and support for Israeli genocide.
Yes, and that’s completely off topic
I mean… I’ve been saying similar stuff for a while. I’m not on anyone’s side specifically. I live far enough away to not be affected by the situation and for my opinion to have no affect on the situation. Simply put: it’s not useful for me to have an opinion, so I don’t have one.
HOWEVER: I always have and always will oppose the unnecessary death and cruelty happening. Doesn’t matter where, or who, or when… If some group is killing another group, I don’t like that.
The only good reason to use violence on a global stage is to stop violence; aka self defense. Like what’s happening to the Ukraine, as a simple example. The Ukraine is well within their right to defend themselves and their land from a foreign invader. I am opposed to the Russian army marching across international borders and seizing land by killing whomever tries to stop them and/or whomever is there. Not cool. I dislike Russia’s actions there. I don’t dislike Russia’s or Russians, I don’t have a problem with any individual person. I have a problem with the decision that was made at the highest levels of government to invade.
Same thing here. I could not care less which side is comprised of what people’s of what culture or religion… I just don’t like that one group is invading/bombing/killing the other. I have no animosity towards those defending themselves, trying to not get killed…
I don’t know why everyone needs to make every opinion on the matter a question of race, religion, or whatever. I don’t care, just stop murdering eachother.
Note: It’s Ukraine, not “the Ukraine”.
Calling it “the Ukraine” is Russian propaganda.
https://theconversation.com/its-ukraine-not-the-ukraine-heres-why-178748
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This astrology grifter is phony AF. She suddenly became political a few years ago by promoting the invasion of ukraine. Peak russian asset.
Notice the implied anti-semitism and missing zionism. It’s a pattern.
Please don’t promote this crap just because it sounds “good”. Free Palestine.
What antisemitism is being implied?
This astrology grifter is phony AF.
Ad hominem. Doesn’t invalidate the words above.
Notice the implied anti-semitism and missing zionism.
I noticed no implied anti-semitism. I noticed explicit criticism of the Israeli government.
Please don’t promote this crap just because it sounds “good”.
True. Promote it to highlight the genocide that is currently occurring.
Free Palestine.
Agreed, but I suspect yours isn’t genuine.
“She suddenly became political a few years ago by promoting the invasion of ukraine. Peak russian asset.”
Is it an ad hominem when you include the rest which explains the claim made you excerpted?
Yes. Any attacking of the messenger to deflect from the message is ad hominem.
And trying to move the attention from Israeli genocide onto a tangential topic is called forum sliding.
Thanks for the headsup. I’ve edited out her details so only the message is visible.
I only know her from claiming there will be no Russian invasion while it already had begun. Later, she is peddling Russian propaganda. Moron.
Thanks for letting me know. I’ve edited out her details so only the message is visible.
Isn’t being against war and genocide the same as anti-imperialism? I hate how saying “War is bad” has become so controversial and extremist.
I think there will be consequences for Israel’s crimes, just not today.
Israel is destroying its reputation and its future with its current actions. Yet no power in the world can stop them today, because they have waay too many weapons.
I think there will be consequences for innocent Jews who have nothing to do with the Israeli genocide. This sort of behavior gives ammo and a perception of legitimacy to antisemites. Israel is making things harder for Jews worldwide for years to come.
This is why it is important to separate anti-semitism and anti-zionism.
A thing that Israel is actively working against
Have there been consequences for the United States’ or Canada’s genocides against Indigenous peoples? Not really.
People can just get away with things unless you make them pay for it.
EDIT case in point, 200 years from now we could be celebrating the jewel of democracy Israel, while “acknowledging its troubled past” but you’re still doing this over the bones of the people your predecessors slaughtered. I’m not even saying it wouldn’t be genuine, like people today in the US and Canada bemoan the actions of previous colonizers. But the fact of what happened remains immutable. The slaughter happened, and the people who committed it accomplished their aims. They got away with it.
The death of religious spirituality at the hands of religious identity.
I think there will be consequences for Israel’s crimes, just not today.
Possibly, but that won’t help the dead kids. The focus must be on stopping the genocide as quickly as possible. Finding and punishing the perps can wait.
I think there will be consequences for Israel’s crimes, just not today.
I hope you’re right.
Liberals just can’t get enough of that thought policing.
I agree with all this but I feel like Americans are the last people who should lead such a movement. To so many of us, the ones your country has raped and destroyed without apology, i roll my eyes at Americans calling for the end of colonization, genocides and war. It’s like you guys think if you go hard on this war, it will forgive all the centuries of genocide. My people were treated like refuse by Americans for decades, then without apology or reparations , white American kids are now preaching at my indigenous ass about privilege and genocide.
You can’t even call out the hypocrisy or you get hated on. I’ve never experienced as much hate and racism towards my culture from the left, as I have this past 2 years. You expect that shit from the right, but the American left went insane this cycle too
The people that treated your people like refuse are not the same people as the ones protesting against atrocities.
Lumping a whole population together and stereotyping them is wrong, no matter who you’re targeting with your stereotypes.
It certainly gets complicated when America is such a melting pot, and it’s consistently the white overlords who engineer those atrocities.
And yes, many, but not all, of the white underlings choose to give them their full support. As a white underling throwing them the middle finger, I have no idea why.
How convenient. You get the enjoy the benefits with none of the guilt, and you can still moralize to the colonized
That being said their point is America shouldn’t lead this charge and IMO that’s fair given America’s support of Israel.
let’s discuss why people are supporting governments, politicians and companies backing the genocide
Because western ideology is ultimately ultranationalism, they will always support their country against others.
You shouldn’t blame Zionism on a mental illness. Zionism is a choice to be awful.
I think all fascism is a mental illness.
Luckily, there is a treatment, as demonstrated by one of its most famous sufferers. It can even be self administered!
I’m all for suicide jokes, but equating fascism with mental illness is taking the joke too far.
More like a plague, but it is. It is genuinely a sickness.
Edit: fascists are not well, and should not be allowed to make decisions.
Neurodivergent people should be allowed to make decisions. Fascists should be shot. That’s the difference.
Sure, because theyre a danger to the rest of us, it’s incurable, and they’re in terrible suffering. And also because it’s funny.
It’s a mind virus
Faith isn’t the reason, it’s the excuse
I didn’t say it was faith either. It’s not mental illness or faith.
To be fair the OP didn’t call it mental illness either. They said something was wrong with them as a person.
It is a conscious decision to commit genocide, using Judaism as a cover to protect them from criticism. Intentionally bombing children does mean something is wrong with you IMO
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They said they oppose genocide because they’re not a psychop*th. That’s not appropriate language. We don’t use slurs, and we don’t blame Zionism on ASPD.
… Psychopath is a slur?
Are bad/lacking morals a mental illness? Seriously, at what point do we draw the line? It’s a curious topic.
No, they’re not. When psychologists become the arbiters of correct morality and pathologise disagreement, society is fucked.
You’re thinking of what happens when good people make the rules. But what if people like Freud were in charge of calling certain moral values illnesses? We already have enough problems with things like homosexuality being called a mental illness. What if Trump Derangement Syndrome were in the DSM?
What if Trump Derangement Syndrome were in the DSM?
IDK but I’ve definitely self-diagnosed with it.
It’s working it’s way in there. Give it a few more years and they’ll be able to institutionalize us for TDS.
You’ll find this kind of bs from every extremist faction, “oh you support Gaza, immigration, human rights and welfare, you must be a woke tankie communist” and “oh you’re not an anti-capitalist far-left anti-money extremist commie tankie, you must be a dirty fascist” basically a summary or american politics🤦♂️ 🤡
Edit: the downvotes are just proving my point lol I’m literally saying the exact same thing said in the screenshot. There’s not just two opposing extremes there’s nuance to things, don’t fight stupidity with stupidity, just cause magas fascist and extreme doesn’t mean I should go find the equally opposing extreme.
I don’t disagree with Trump just cause he’s Trump, I disagree with his actions and the bs he says, and based off of those actions I think he’s a knobhead and do not like him. When he pardoned Ross Ulbricht I didn’t say, well it was done by Trump so it was evil. Do I think he did it for his own personal motives or gain and votershare? Yes, but I do believe he deserved freedom, and Trump did it for the wrong reasons.
Americans don’t get it’s not the centre of the universe sometimes.
I’m including a link from a news report released yesterday at the bottom of this comment.
I’ll save you from actually clicking on it and watching this horrific video, and just let you know, it’s a 5 yo girl in Gaza trapped in a burning building after it was bombed by the Israeli army. The building is a former school the girl had been sheltering in along with her parents, younger sibling, and several others.
She screams in pain as she desperately tries to escape from the flames, and people outside scream for help as they watch her running around inside. Luckily a fireman was able to help her escape, but she was horribly burned and lost her entire family. The reporter later finds her in a hospital several weeks later, trying to recover and crying out for her mother.
If you still feel from that description that ignoring what is happening right now is acceptable or you’re pretending it can somehow be justified in any context, you should make yourself watch the video. Keep in mind this is one of countless stories like it.
It’s extremely disturbing because what’s happening is literally extreme and should make any human capable of empathy uncomfortable. It’s easier to ignore it and pretend it’s not happening, but that’s always the case with genocide.
If watching the video and knowing all of this still changes nothing for you, then you should also know you are literally showing callous and unemotional traits associated with psychopathy. That’s not BS, it’s a fact of reality.
BRO, did I not say I was staunchly against Zionism. I explicitly said that, I mentioned how in the screenshot the person making the post said that she isn’t against Israel because she’s a communist, anti-Jews, anarchist or far-left, but because she’s against genocide. Fuck Israel and Zionism but not Jews, I could not make that any more clear, I’m saying extremists always believe that when people disagree with anything at all they automatically believe they are extreme in the opposite direction.
I replied to your original comment before you added the additional information, and apologize if I misunderstood. Just going by your shorter original comment though, it seemed like you were arguing that OP pointing out the fact that ignoring/taking a neutral stance/downplaying or denying that what is happening right now is psychopathic, is somehow itself an extremist stance to take.
Just to be 100% clear, absolutely fuck antisemitism, but OP’s post doesn’t say anything remotely antisemitic.
The argument is simply that regardless of politics, identity, history, or anything else, as humans, knowing what is happening to other humans in Gaza right now in this moment, we can’t acknowledge reality and pretend that it’s anything other than genocide.
That shouldn’t be an extreme opinion, but somehow people will repeatedly argue that it is.
“Yeah but Palestinians are subhuman and therefore don’t deserve human empathy” - Israel,
probablyactuallyAnimal stereotypes of Palestinians in Israeli discourse - Wikipedia - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_stereotypes_of_Palestinians_in_Israeli_discourse
Jesus, how much have the Zionists modified that Wiki article? A text supposedly about how Israelis dehumanize Palestinians repeatedly starts by reciting the issue with Palestinians and Muslims dehumanizing Jews? This is the first mention of the details of dehumanization:
“Among Palestinians, Israelis have been referred to as pigs, dogs, and bloodsucking vampires, while in Israeli discourse references to Palestinians as savage animals and or repugnant critters has also been attested, and at least once, protesting Gazans have been described as mere ammunition weaponized by their “cannibal” leaders.”
And this is the first paragraph under “Background”:
“Even though Jews, like a number of other religious minorities, Christians included, were accorded protected status in Islamic societies, the use of abusive stereotypes was not uncommon, some of them were grounded in Quranic and early scholarly traditions.”
Is this about Israeli dehumanization of Palestinians? WTF? Let’s always start by reciting how Muslims maybe kind of deserve it, or maybe bring the dehumanization on themselves.
No but you antisemites just dont understand! Exterminating the hamas people is the culture of the jewish people¹. So really, by stopping the ‘genocide’, youre actually doing genocide against a proud 5000 year old culture! Youre literally hitler, who was actually just an innocent tool duped by hamas btw.
¹those weak subhuman diaspora ‘jews’ may try to mislead you about that. Clearly this is just internalized antisemitism.
Out of curiosity I checked out the inverse article and to my great surprise (/s) it didn’t start by mentioning israely dehumanization of palestinians. It sid however mention someone’s opinion that dehumanization was ignored when palestinians did it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_stereotypes_of_Jews_in_Palestinian_discourse
This will be a terrible mark on human history. When the world watched as internet personalities sailed into Gaza to provide aid. When we did nothing as women and children starved to death before our eyes.
Who will be ignored next?
Who will be ignored next?
- Sudan
- Myanmar
- Armenia
- Afghanistan
- Tibet
These aren’t next, these are already forgotten even though they’re catastrophes. Hell, even Ukraine is being forgotten even though it’s one the biggest wars in 21st century. When India and Pakistan looked like they were about to go to war, this Israel/Palestine war was also pushed to the back of people’s minds.
I think this is the just the nature of humans. People want to think they’re noble and righteous, but they won’t actually do anything, and the moment a new war starts they’ll move on to that because it’s new and we have short attention spands.
How fast we forgot Syria. Erdogan still bombing Kobane for example.
You are entirely correct. People like to think the war is over, but it’s still very much on going.
I think it’s media bias and sensationalism. It happens when journalism has a profit incentive and is owned by 4 or 5 oligarchs/ultra-wealthy.
I think that’s a contributing factor, but I don’t think it’s the only one. We live in the age of social media where anybody anywhere can post anything at any time. Anybody can be a journalist and post pictures, videos, or give live updates as events are happening. In fact we have a lot of people like this from just about every conflict in the world who give us updates just about everyday. Despite this, things like wars are still treated as trends by people. When the fad gets old, people get bored and move on to the next new thing.
My entire school life there was so much pontification over what “you” would do during segregation or the Holocaust or slavery?
Turns out my entire family would grow a toothbrush moustaches and start painting vegan landscapes while I kept working because the cost of living rises more than wages and I long for the reprieve of death.
Who will be ignored next?
I hate to say it, but there hasn’t been a time in modern history where there weren’t women and children starving while the rest of the world did nothing.
how do I boost on lemmy
