Price hikes for what, Lenovo? I’m still waiting for them to send me my Legion Go S SteamOS edition that I preordered on day one.
Edit for context: it was supposed to be in my hands May 25th.
Stop.
Pre-Ordering.Pre-ordering physical goods is fine, especially if you expect a price hike and supply limitations after launch. I wouldn’t, but I can see how it would make sense.
It’s the digital goods that make no goddamn sense to buy before they’re out. They’re not limited in supply, and their return window is often too small.
Ever heard of the Ouya?
Wasn’t it a kickstarter product? I wouldn’t consider venture a pre-order, tbf.
Pre-orders are reservations with pre-payment.
Crowdfunding is, well, funding. You aren’t buying a product. You’re funding it, which comes with additional risks and benefits.
Of course, there’s always a possibility that a product is being funded using pre-orders, which is financially irresponsible (norm varies from industry to industry). But you must be a moron to pre-order a product from a startup you know nothing about and expect not to get scammed. Outright buying their product would be risky enough.
Take housing market. You’re pretty much always either pre-ordering or buying second-hand.
You’re a dumbass if you ever thought it was going to be anything
As long as i can chargeback on my credit card I have no problems preordering (couple months out at most though, lol at people doing long term pre orders) I have no problem. Digital goods can fuck right on off. So many slimy tactics.
Meh.
Yes, for already announced limited runs of physical items that you know the quality off (say merch from artists) it’s more fine than for mainly digital goods.
And, I have to agree, such a broad blanket statement is not really applicable to every type of purchase or life situation.To be fully transparent: Even I participated in pre-orders. Off the top I can only remember some artist merch items like CDs I pre-heard some tracks and know what to expect from it and the Kickstarter for the uGreen NAS. But even for the uGreen NAS I knew the specs, price and if It’s compatible with what I want to do before committing.
For any other purchase I waited patiently.if it was fine at all, op would probably have his handheld by now.
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You’re the one enabling those shitty practices
A savings account earns interest, you can pay into it monthly until product release…
How does paying up front before release spread the cost?
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I genuinely don’t get the “don’t pre order just buy the day it releases” thing.
Nobody ever said the second part.
Don’t pre order, wait for reviews a couple weeks after release, buy if reviews are good and no major bullshit is discovered.
What do you think you’re winning?
Avoiding the major bullshit.
Also, even if you did just buy day one: If developers have a lot of pre orders they know they’ll sell anyway they have less of an incentive to deliver the highest possible quality day one. That’s why people are telling you to not pre order. I could not care less if a stranger struggles with day one bugs, but they are helping to lower the bar for everyone else.
I genuinely don’t get the “don’t pre order just buy the day it releases” thing. What do you think you’re winning?
It’s about sending a message. A message that pre-ordering is not worth anymore and they (hopefully) stop releasing unfinished beta releases.
How does that spread the cost? Does it have some financing for preorders ?
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I advice you to rethink this. You’re paying earlier, the money won’t dissapear if you wait until release. Also, real reviews would help deciding what to skip.
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I never pre-order, and I am not advocating for pre-ordering, but just curious, can’t the item just be returned if the customer is not satisfied?
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Idk. But I think General Grievous could have been even better /s
Works pretty well in France.
Do you even know why you’re saying that? Physical goods that need to be manufactured and delivered are literally exactly what you should be pre-ordering
It would make a lot of sense to the company trying to decide how large their production run should be.
For the customer, it only really makes sense if they are getting something out of it, like immunity to possible price hikes at launch.
I don’t pre-order, but then, I am a late stage buyer, so it doesn’t really apply to me.
Physical goods are no different in that when you pre-order something you really have no idea what you’re getting. You’re counting on the reputation of the company to deliver on their claims. Which is often a bad idea.
Yes and no.
Yes it can make sense fpr physical goods.
No, it’s not a good thing.So no. I was hoping my question would prompt you to consider it
Well… the switch2 just came out - what did they expect?
Would still get a 1k steamdeck over a 600€ still overpriced switch 2 with 80€ rereleased crap. With vulnerabilities found in the first week of launch.
As if any other OS has no vulnerabilities?
Especially considering what’s classified as a vulnerability.
The vulnerability on the switch let’s you execute unsigned code in user space, no kernel access or even hardware acceleration.
On the steam deck (like on any PC) that’s nit called a vulnerability but “running a program”. It’s literally the main use case.
And on Switch, it’s forbidden typically. Which is part of why people advocate for the Steam Deck instead. From Nintendo’s perspective, this very much is a vulnerability. It’s just not leading to custom firmware or ROM dumps from what I understand, so it’s not even close to the most significant vulnerability.
That is true, of course. But that’s a vulnerability from Nintendo’s perspective, not from a customer’s perspective. As in, if this exploit gets improved on, it might lead to people running unlicensed or pirated software on the switch, thus potentially hurting Nintendo.
It’s not something that might lead to people getting their Nintendo-accounts hacked or stolen or something like that.
On a Steam Deck, the former concept doesn’t even exist. There’s no Steam Deck vulnerability that might lead to people running non-steam software on the Steam Deck, because it’s allowed usage.
What I’m trying to say is that vulnerability is not negative for the user or indicative of bad platform security for the user.
I mean its so closed off it should be.
I really want to root for Nintendo but they make it hard.
Opening up my steam library from a console was such a big WTF moment and then being able to suspend games was so mind-blowing.
It’s still not that beefy for triple-A but I’m considering getting GeForce Now running on it.
If i am honest i dont have any games that DONT run on. It can run cyberpunk, baldurs gate, a lot other AAA / Indie games.
If it doesnt run, the devs did something SPECIAL to f*ck steamdeck / linux users.
The suspend game feature is probably the biggest player, especially when its idle it doesnt use any power ( except of course the common battery drain ) in comparison to windows “sleep” it just blacks out the screen and maybe run a little less background tasks.
Same, though I hope the SD2 had some more power, I would like to play on a 1080p (or even 1440p) monitor with mouse and keyboard without sacrificing framerate.
You just asked for a desktop pc tho.
Why not both in one device? We are getting closer and closer to that being possible.
I did that with the steamdeck dock its pretty awesome that it can run a higher resolution secondary screen with full hd and game on the side.
You would do that probably because you have a huge Steam library but many Switch users have a huge Switch library and want that performance upgrade. You and me are not their target audience but it remains to be seen if the Switch 2 will flop or exactly what Nintendo fans want right now. There‘s a huge difference between paying 600€ and 1000€ for hardware that‘s pretty much toe to toe anyway. If I wanted a Steamdeck I sure as hell wouldn‘t buy one right now but wait a little longer.
Toe to Toe? At least the steamdeck can run Crysis. Switch not, easy Steamdeck win.
Performance upgrade on a already locked on 60fps ( some 30 ) games? on default on a LCD display? That they didnt even considered default on OLED display is just … cash grabby.
And the switch 2 can run the new mario kart and the steam deck not.
Both of these games don’t run on the other platform because they are exclusives, not because the hardware can’t handle it. So what’s your point?
It’s just confirming what the guy you replied to was saying: if you have steam games and want to run steam games, get a steam deck. If you have switch games and want to run switch games, get a switch.
It will soon just wait.
If Nintendo allows you to play their games get not a switch ditch their platform with their 10 games.
You know the PC vs. Console debate isn’t new. That one has been going on ever since PCs and consoles existed.
When I was a teenager, I, too, didn’t understand why anyone would buy a console over a PC because the PC can do so much more than a console.
Then I got kids, and I understood.
There are two main angles:
- Parental controls
On a console, a kid can only play what I allow. I get the games, I can disable features (e.g. browser or social features) that I deem risky. It’s all easy, it just works. My 7yo won’t be playing Fortnite or Doom without my approval. Try locking down any kind of PC (Windows or Linux) to a child safe level so that the kid doesn’t have access to age-inappropriate content. It’s borderline impossible. My dad tried and failed, and if I tried, I’d most likely fail too.
- Ease of use
Every second time, my wife and kids want to play something on the living room PC they call me to fix some issue. The controller isn’t pairing. The controller is pairing, but the game doesn’t recognise it. Steam link to the gaming PC doesn’t work. Or it does work, but the resolution is crap. Or all sorts of other issues. With consoles, you don’t have that. It all just works.
A PC is definitely the more capable system, and a power user will get more out of it than out of a console, no question about that.
But claiming there is no use case for a console is entirely wrong, too. A look at sales numbers for Switch (152mio sold) vs Steam Deck (3.7mio sold) should clear the question up whether there’s a use case for a switch.
I mean especially as a parent do i want to waste 80€ for a game? And i mean switch (1) is that what you describe the switch 2 is a cashgrab you cant tell me differently.
