The real question is why the hell did democrats buy into this obsession with deporting people who live and work in our communities and not question the alarming ideology at the heart of the growing fear democrat politicians dutifully did their job to stoke alongside their more passionate Republican colleagues and friends?
No, still more concerned about the existential crisis in front of us. We can worry about the immigration thing later. Hell, im all for people being here. Immigrants tend to make communities better, not worse.
We can worry about the immigration thing later.
That’s like thinking “I need to do something about the guy trying to murder me, I’ll worry about the knife he’s holding later”. You cannot beat fascism with almost fascism; the real thing will always win that fight.
Well said, neoliberals and centrists better get this through their head before this isn’t anything left to fight for.
Are you suggesting im a neoliberal? Bcz im not. Everybody on lemmy isn’t a centrist or neoliberal when you dislike something they said.
Maybe in this context you are acting like one?
Okay dude, you can assume whatever you want.
I do have to agree with the other guy; ideas like “but muh coalition!!!” and “we gotta ally with the proto-fascists don’t be so divisive!!!” have a fair amount of support on the left too, but they’re neoliberal talking points through and through. You usually hear it from the DNC as “we can’t alienate the moderates,” but fundamentally it’s the same idea.
No, its really not. We need to beat fascism before we worry about what the democrats were doing 8 years ago…
To beat fascism, you need to understand it. To understand fascism, you need to understand how the democrats are not only controlled opposition, but they are complicit.
Tom Homan, Trump’s Border Czar, was originally an Obama pick.
In 2015, Obama awarded him a Presidential Rank Award as a Distinguished Executive. The Washington Post article at the time stated, “Thomas Homan deports people. And he’s really good at it.”
Every single democratic senator just voted to confirm Marco Rubio, and he answered by doing fascism in short order.
You can’t get snippy with people rightly calling you out for spewing liberalism as you attempt to refocus attention away from the democrats who enabled this devolution into fascism. The liberal fixation with defending democrats as they usher in fascism is bizarre.
The liberal fixation with defending democrats as they usher in fascism is bizarre.
on the contrary I think it unfortunately makes perfect sense, I don’t doubt that most neoliberals and centrists are genuine in many ways in their desire for a better world, as we all are!.. but because of that imagine if you suddenly were being forced to come to terms with the fact that your ideology that you have made some kind of intellectual, material, philosophical, social or whatever sacrifice for wasn’t helping make the world better… no… imagine that realization dawning on you like a jet black bird of prey… maybe all the corrections you made to the otherwise natural courses of things around you were actually contributing to this dark tide filling the empty spaces around you… and were did all the laughter go?..?
What would you do in that moment? You would probably instinctively run, that is what my kneejerk reaction would do. The responses you are seeing that are confusing in their bizarre fervousness need to unknow only look confusing because running away from the truth looks a peculiar way in conversations that are supposed to be two way streets.
Screw what the Democrats were doing 8 years ago; the problem is what they’re doing now and will keep doing. And do you know what they’re doing now? Glorifying “law and order,” attacking Palestinian solidarity, suppressing leftwing dissent and a whole lot of deliberate nothing. You can’t defeat fascism without an alternate vision for the future, and the Democrats neither have one nor will accept you providing one. You can’t ally with these people and expect to get things done, but I digress. More importantly, how do you expect to beat fascism without addressing the fascist talking point? When fascists point at you and say “see, they want to keep the RAPISTS and CRIMINALS in our great country,” what will you say? “Lalala I can’t hear you”?
Democrats want to win elections, and voting population of America is an mass very cruel, majority of americans want to bring suffering to other people, and wouldn’t consider a candidate that doesn’t promise at least some violence.
Not with that attitude they won’t
Did you read the first sentence and immediately commented without reading the rest?
Why do libs always settle on Republican framing? It’s embarrassing.
I think you’re simply missing the entire point. It isn’t talking about how great deportation was under democrats, it’s saying that deportation is just the cover for Trump pushing soldiers into states that generally disagree with him.
Because (economic) liberalism is a right-wing ideology. What’d you expect?
Exactly. I think celebrating any deportation is a bad look because the left should be against borders and authoritiarian violence no matter what form it takes.
No one is celebrating deportation, they’re very clearly pointing out that Trump doesn’t need to illegally use the army to back up ICE’s insane no-trial raids and deportations.
See, I get what you are saying here but you’re also doing the thing.
This post could read that ICE’s insane raids and deportations could simply be done without the assistance of the military.
Both your post and the OD post should clearly express that Trump DOESNT NEED ICE RAIDS IN THE FIRST PLACE, he’s just using fear of immigrants as a takeover. Like fucking Hitler did.
Your complete lack of media literacy is not in any way a scathing review of my interpretation, bud. Read the title and put some context clues together, genius.
Because that’s what majority of voting americans respond to.
That’s not the flex you think it is
Yeah it really isn’t, it’s funny that this came from a leftist page too, comparing deportation numbers and favouring democrats because they deport better (lol)
No, but it puts this into perspective that clearly the plan here is to usurp power and consolidate it into the executive branch. If that wasn’t already clear to people. Me personally, I dont think immigration is a problem like at all. But not everybody feels the way I do. So I’d prefer we focus on the existential threat rather than point and laugh at the democrats for doing what people wanted them to do.
That’s true, but once this shit is over with I do not want the same old democrat party to continue, they perpetuate jingoist ideology and ignore leftist voices
The fuck makes you think this is a flex?
well it also proves that Dems are also evil
Yes, and yes people should push for them to be better… But there’s far too much “bOtH sIdEs” that happens and then we get literal fascists in power.
They are, it is funny that they use their own evil as an argument to support them
Illegal immigration is a thing, and countries have a right to protect their borders. It doesn’t, however, cause all of society’s ills like the fascists are claiming, and the main difference is that Democrats followed due process.
This is embarassing why would you post your Ls
Immediate deportations probably should not count on this number. That is where they are caught crossing or right after crossing and then sent back.
Source(s)? I tend to first disbelieve what text an anonymous internet rando decided to put over a foreboding picture.
No sources on me, but if you find sources disproving me feel free to share and I’ll either edit or delete my post
“Might be propaganda … I’ll post it anyway.”
I don’t believe it’s propaganda and I’m not obligated to prove my views to you
Clearly, Trump is unfairly criticized for the deportation if he needs to call the marines just to do the same things democrats always do. He’s the real victim here.
