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  • @KulunkelBoom@lemm.ee
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    9•2 days ago

    Neither did the Palestinians.

  • @Mrkawfee@lemmy.world
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    Zionist Corporate media framing this as a “preemptive strike” is Orwellian bullshit.

    • Default Username
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      30•2 days ago

      Trump got out of the Iranian nuclear deal in his first term specifically so either Israel and/or the USA would have a “reason” to attack and go to war.

    • @QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works
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      16•2 days ago

      Why do you need “Zionist corporate” in that post? Any media calling this a “preemptive strike” are pushing a bs narrative.

      • @Mrkawfee@lemmy.world
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        28•2 days ago

        Because corporate media in the West, especially the US and UK complies with Zionist talking points.

        • @QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works
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          3•2 days ago

          And? What about non-Zionist non-corporate sources that back the same narrative? Would you see that as any different?

          • @Mrkawfee@lemmy.world
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            Non corporate i.e. independent news tends to have clearer perspectives on the genocide and Zionism’s malign influence in domestic and international politics

            One example is not adopting Zionist talking points and perspectives (e.g. rapes, beheaded babies), without critical analysis or framing October 7th in the context of the Zionist regime’s occupation of Palestine. Something Corporate media deliberately obfuscates.

            Corporate media uses rhetorical shielding like the use of the passive “Palestinians killed in bombings” to avoid blaming Israel or “Hamas run health ministry” to discredit casualty reports.

            Another issue is that they also fail to report what Israelis actually tell their people (“fighting human animals”, “babies are targets”) and rather rely on carefully scripted official responses in English.

            Yet another issue is that they do not mention ICC arrest warrants on Netanyahu and Smotrich, or that Israel is on trial for genocide at the ICJ, or Indeed that western countries are ignoring the genocide convention which obliges them to sanction Israel and instead are actively arming and supporting it.

            They omit so much given what’s on social media and elsewhere that it has never been more obvious that Western media’s role is to act as interlocutor and propagandist for the Empire.

  • @h4x0r@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    41•2 days ago

    They have the right to defend themselves, right?

  • WIZARD POPE💫
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    43•3 days ago

    Yeah…

    • @geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlOP
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      52•2 days ago

      Grok received a big “both sides” patch recently

      • WIZARD POPE💫
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        19•2 days ago

        I wouldn’t know I don’t follow twitter. Just found it funny that someone asked it to explain in pirste speak

  • @Godric@lemmy.world
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    11•2 days ago

    Me when the #1 terrorism sponsor doesn’t get to have nukes:

    • @Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
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      The US and Israel already has nukes, they don’t need to get them

      • @ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
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        11•2 days ago

        The US is the #1 sponsor, not Israel

        • @Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
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          15•2 days ago

          Israel does an incredible amount of terrorism at the behest of the US

          • @ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
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            8•2 days ago

            They’re the one being sponsored not the one sponsoring others

            However as a UN recognized member they are committing war crimes not terrorism

            • @Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
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              5•2 days ago

              Israel is an extension of US foreign policy, it’s much more than being sponsored by the US like Al Qaeda. Israel also does work with and sponsor the likes of ISIS and Al Qaeda. They are committing war crimes and terrorism, just as a state actor instead of a non-state actor

              It doesn’t seem like we’re in any real disagreement here so it’s all good, Free Palestine

              • @ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
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                just as a state actor instead of a non-state actor

                This is the difference between these two

                war crimes and terrorism

                But we are in agreement

      • @Godric@lemmy.world
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        1•2 days ago

        Cute and original, keep it up and you’ll have a full comedy career :)

    • @Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      14•2 days ago

      Huh? They have thousands of nukes

      • @driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br
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        7•2 days ago

        They invented the nukes.

        • @Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          1•1 day ago

          And used them for the aforementioned terrorism

    • Omega
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      Step 1: Accuse nation of having nukes

      Step 2.1: If they do not have nukes, invade them and dont even apologise for the death of hundreds of thousands

      Step 2.2: If they acquired nukes by the time you accused them, sanction them to shit and use media to turn the land into a dystopian hellscape akin to North Korea or worse

      Step 3: Create puppet regime if they ever fall, replace leaders with those that support laissez-faire

      • Omega
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        3•2 days ago

        Worked with Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, North Korea, they attempted it with China and now it is time for Iran

    • elevenbones
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      4•2 days ago

      usa does have nukes tho 😎

    • katy ✨
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      1•2 days ago

      deleted by creator

  • @Archangel1313@lemmy.ca
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    31•3 days ago

    Is this real?

    • @Mrkawfee@lemmy.world
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      I’ve been asking this repeatedly since 2016.

    • @geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlOP
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      19•3 days ago

      https://xcancel.com/IRIran_Military/status/1933318008274817296

      • Maeve
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        6•2 days ago

        Those replies 🧐

        • @jballs@sh.itjust.works
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          17•2 days ago

          Lol I get the hate for Twitter and AI, but this actually got a chuckle out of me.

    • @ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
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      3•2 days ago

      No

  • @untakenusername@sh.itjust.works
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    8•2 days ago

    I mean, they kinda did

    they wanted to make WMDs first

    • @MetalMachine@feddit.nl
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      Israel has been saying this about Iran since the 1990s. All the nuclear inspectors say that Iran is following the standards.

      Edit: see below. Some very recent reporting shows that they may not have been compliant (they were before). We will probably need more evidence to determine if they recently were not.

      • @ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
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        https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/12/un-nuclear-watchdog-says-iran-non-compliant-of-nuclear-safeguards

        https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/statements/iaea-director-generals-introductory-statement-to-the-board-of-governors-9-june-2025

        • @MetalMachine@feddit.nl
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          2•2 days ago

          True, they did say that. But I’m not sure if we can fully trust them, seems like there may have been collusion with Israel. If someone knows more or has evidence of what the IAEA is claiming please let me know.

          Source: https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/tehran-unravels-documents-revealing-secret-iaea--israel--col

          • @ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
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            I think you should revise your previous comment to put an asterisk to avoid losing credibility noted in your response to the other guy

            • @MetalMachine@feddit.nl
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              1•2 days ago

              Fair enough

      • @untakenusername@sh.itjust.works
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        1•2 days ago

        source?

        • @MetalMachine@feddit.nl
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          1•2 days ago

          Netanyahu speaking about Iran as a threat since 30 years ago: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jun/13/benjamin-netanyahu-attack-iran-israel-us-nuclear

          Iran has been (mostly) compliant until very recently (2 days ago): https://www.newsweek.com/iran-fails-meet-nuclear-obligations-first-time-20-years-2084393

          We may need more to verify what the IAEA said as there may be collusion with Israel: https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/tehran-unravels-documents-revealing-secret-iaea--israel--col

    • @belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      20•2 days ago

      Israel has a larger nuclear arsenal right now.

      • @untakenusername@sh.itjust.works
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        Israel doesn’t fund terrorism like iran

        • @belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          1•5 hours ago

          Boy you could not be more wrong

        • @geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlOP
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          Who are the ISIS-linked, aid-stealing Gaza militia supported by Israel?

        • @Glytch@lemmy.world
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          9•2 days ago

          Israel literally funded Hamas against the PLO in Gaza.

    • @ltxrtquq@lemmy.ml
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      Israel is widely believed to possess nuclear weapons. Estimates of Israel’s stockpile range between 90 and 400 nuclear warheads, and the country is believed to possess a nuclear triad of delivery options: by F-15 and F-16 fighters, by Dolphin-class submarine-launched cruise missiles, and by the Jericho series of intermediate to intercontinental range ballistic missiles.

      Israel maintains a policy of deliberate ambiguity, never officially denying nor admitting to having nuclear weapons, instead repeating over the years that “Israel will not be the first country to introduce nuclear weapons to the Middle East”. However, in November 2023, amid the Gaza war, the junior Heritage Minister Amihai Eliyahu publicly called for dropping a nuclear bomb over Gaza, which some took to be a tacit admission that Israel possesses such a capability.

      I wouldn’t be so sure of that.

    • @ltxrtquq@lemmy.ml
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      deleted by creator

  • @Amberskin@europe.pub
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    removed by mod

  • @ryedaft@sh.itjust.works
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    6•2 days ago

    Doesn’t Iran regularly shoot missiles and drones at Israel? I’m not really up to speed but I’m sure there was something about an Iron Dome?

    • @LordPassionFruit@lemmy.ca
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      I might be wrong in this, but I’m pretty sure it’s exceedingly rare for Iran to directly fire missiles at Israel, it’s usually Iran-supplied proxies doing it (such as Hezbollah). It’d be like making the argument that anyone at war with a US backed nation/faction has a carte blanche to attack America

      • @ryedaft@sh.itjust.works
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        12•2 days ago

        Two of them. Israel is fucking awful but that doesn’t mean I’m going to support authoritarian Iran.

        2024 Iranian strikes against Israel - Wikipedia - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Iranian_strikes_against_Israel

        • @ltxrtquq@lemmy.ml
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          24•2 days ago

          Iran said it was retaliation for the Israeli bombing of the Iranian embassy in Damascus on 1 April,[17] which killed two Iranian generals.

          Iran claimed that the attack was an act of “self-defense”[19][20] in retaliation for Israel’s assassinations of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran, Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah, and IRGC general Abbas Nilforoushan.

          Does it change anything if both of those attacks were after an Iranian embassy was bombed and an assassination in Iran’s capital took place?

        • @febra@lemmy.world
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          Right, so go on and support genocidal Israel, because it’s soooo much better than authoritarian Iran.

          • @ryedaft@sh.itjust.works
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            Huh? Both can be awful.

            • @febra@lemmy.world
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              Both are awful, but playing the centrist here doesn’t cut it. Picking indifference is pretty much the same as picking the imperialist side, aka it’s the same as supporting Israel and the US but instead of cheering them on you just sit on the fence and watch.

              For those of us that live in The West™ the only thing we can change is the things our governments can influence. Thus, the only change we can enact as a population for the situation in the Middle East is the change that takes form by pressuring our own governments (and thus pressuring allied US and allied Israel) into stopping the madness. Going out and about and moaning about Iran is just useless posturing that won’t lead do anything. Our governments are already trying to destroy Iran as is, what does me moaning about whatever Iran does even change? It’s still the same shit.

              And besides that, it’s not even our business to enact regime change in Iran. Let their own people deal with it however they see fit. We’re not savior knights in shining armors going around and helping people anyway. We’ve seen what kind of shit our governments have stirred up in the Middle East and North Africa before. We’ve only made everything worse for the people there.

              • @ryedaft@sh.itjust.works
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                1•3 hours ago

                I actually think we agree.

                Netanyahu and Khamenei are hateful men that use hate to hold on to power - each in their own way. They embody “Some of you are going to die but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make”.

                After about a year and a half of genocide in Gaza westerners were finally waking up and their leaders finally started to put pressure on Israel. Missiles in to Iran was a distraction and Khamenei took the bait - not because he is stupid but because he cares more about fanning nationalist flames in Iran than he does about the suffering people of Gaza.

        • @belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          9•2 days ago

          Brother, I have in laws in Iran. The regime is a brutal pile of dog turd, but at least they have the decency to just cultural genocide the kurds and not do an actual one.

          They aren’t the good guys, they are the smaller pile of shit.

      • @neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works
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        Right, and that’s an argument that could and should be made imo.

    • @Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      15•2 days ago

      No

    • @geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlOP
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      15•2 days ago

      No, that is the people Israel keeps in their concentration camp.

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