• Sooooo… we’re doing incel shit posting now?

    This sort of black pill doomerism seriously destroys your mental health. You don’t have to be a Chad to find a girlfriend friends, but thinking your not “conventionally attractive” enough to date is a self fulfilling prophecy.

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        There is such a thing as funny incel propaganda. And let’s not act like beauty doesn’t make the game easier, It’s mostly that incel think that’s the only factor because they tend to be very shallow themselves.

      • @ameancow@lemmy.world
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        Cathartic for those struggling or feeling insecure.

        But somewhere along the way we broadly all stopped understanding the very nature of “catharsis” and just decided that anything that makes us feel a certain way MUST be some kind of fundamental truth and now will be our life direction.

    • @ameancow@lemmy.world
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      Apparently we’re also going to mix it with deeply toxic envy of celebrities for seasoning.

      Imagine how happy the world would be if people suddenly stopped wishing they were someone else and just realized that they only get one fucking chance to live life and every moment you spend wishing you were someone else is just a massive fucking disservice to yourself and people in your life.

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      I have had more than one. I am autistic with an anxiety disorder and ptsd and I had guys who aren’t those things always talk to me about girls like I am super pick up master just because inam decently looking and in shape. They way they talked about their experiences made me kinda not want any, too…

      And no matter how much I tried to explain my situation when asking for advice they just gave sabotaging and extremely vague advice that doesn’t mean anything. I wasted away my 20s and a large part of my 30s because of shit like that.

  • @jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
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    …yes? That’s what you have to do. Maybe she says no. Maybe she says yes. Doing nothing definitely won’t get you anywhere.

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      Doing nothing definitely won’t get you anywhere.

      Not necessarily true, I’ve never been conventionally attractive, but I’ve had women approach me multiple times, in fact all but one (out of… 6 I guess) of my long term relationships were initiated by the woman… Of course that was when I was young, now I’m 50 and going through a divorce, I’m not holding my breath…

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      I asked a girl out once…she said yes. But it was touch and go there for a while before I asked. And let me be clear, I do not look like this guy. Still solid advice tho.

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      If she says no it doesn’t come without consequences. You can’t talk to her anymore without it being awkward, and if she’s part of a larger friend group you’re in the embarrassment is even worse.

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        You’re overthinking it. I know because I do the same. But realistically most women are quite relieved when you can take a kind “no” in stride because the bar is so low in this regard.

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        If you accept rejection with dignity, it’s not that big a deal. Don’t be a creeper. It’s not that embarrassing. And if your friend group is cruel about it, that’s good to know. They’d be assholes in that case, and you probably want to find out they’re assholes in a low stakes situation.

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        If you’ve asked in a friendly way, without putting stress on her, and accepted the ‘no’ without making a fuss and in the same friendly way, it doesn’t tend to cause difficulty in my experience.

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      Why doesn’t she have to ask me out? That doesn’t seem very equitable.

      • Leraje
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        Nobody has to ask anyone out, its not compulsory. Women do ask potential dates out, so do men. Its pretty irrelevant who the one doing the asking is - the point is not to put the onus on one gender but that if you - whoever you are - don’t ask, then you’ll never know.

        • Exactly. I’m a dude and my SO all but asked me out (asked for my number and whatnot). At some point someone needs to take initiative, and the sooner that happens, the better it is for everyone, so it might as well be you, regardless of your gender.

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    i mean people tend to like confidence, also you get to stop wallowing in ignorance. conventionally attractive or not, either they say yes or no and then you get to move forward from there. going from not knowing to knowing, that is a positive.

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      You should know when it is appropriate to ask and when not:

      Don’ts:

      • complete strangers
      • people who cannot retreat, e.g. cashiers, waiters and the like, on a busy train/bus in an elevator etc.
      • people clearly not in a space to socialize.
      • asking for sex
      • being ambigious about intentions

      Do’s:

      • people you held a normal conversation with before
      • in a space where they are comfortable and either party can leave easily if things get awkward
      • being clear about it being a date
      • public place with individual privacy, e.g. going out for a coffee
      • no alcohol or other drugs
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        This. Also, don’t put them on the spot. If unsure, give your number and let them decide. If she’s interested, she’ll text, if not you haven’t forced her to make a decision on the spot.

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      Definitely. Looking like Henry Cavill makes it easier, but confidence is really the main attraction. I know less attractive men sleep with Victoria’s Secret-type women. And there is actually a study on men who are perpetually single, and the common denominator is being under-confident. But at the same time, you don’t want to be overconfident and thus arrogant.

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        oh totally. my wife is gorgeous, and she spent a bit too much time in our social circles single because everyone (myself included) was too intimidated to ask her out. we were friends for ages, she started giving me a hard time about having her number for like eight years but never asking her on a date, my ego wasn’t going to stand for that and here we are.

          • My wife asked me out. Only time a woman has ever done that to me. Only time she had ever done it. I thought she was attractive but I honestly didn’t expect that. Knowing what I know about her now, it took a lot of courage for her to do that.

            She shot her shot and hit a bullseye. There are no good reasons for women to spend all their time waiting on men to initiate.

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              That’s what I thought about my wife… We worked together, I wasn’t looking for a relationship, in fact had just come out of a bad one and intended to be single for a while, but she was persistent in putting herself close to me, and while she didn’t exactly “ask me out” she did push me into situations that very much resembled dates… After about a year we moved in together, then another year we were married… 19 years and 2 kids later, she started up a relationship with another guy in much the same way, but I was preoccupied with health problems so didn’t notice for a couple months. When I did start to notice, she told me I was crazy, ridiculous, a few other not nice things, said he was “just a friend” or “nice to talk to”… But that she wanted a divorce because she had been unhappy for pretty much our entire marriage. I ended up having to talk to the other guy (because of course it was someone we both knew, our son’s best friend’s dad in fact) to get confirmation, and found out just how long it had been going on. He said she had told him we had been separated for “a while” but still living together for the sake of the kids. When I said that wasn’t true, he seemed genuinely distressed and apologized pretty convincingly, and said he was going to break it off… of course I can’t be sure he was being honest either… Holy traumadump, batman…

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    So I recently found out my ex wife had a type. A type she desperately wanted me to fit into. A type that she would make me go to clothing stores for specific shirts that look good on pretty much no one but Henry Cavill.

    I did not look like Henry Cavill. Turns out around the time we divorce she goes through this phase swooning over Henry Cavill. Then she cheats on me with a dude I don’t know the name of (except I’ve unfortunately seen his dick) and low and behold he has this kind Henry Cavill build.

    Fast forward several years to now. I lost about 100lbs. Started lifting. Getting swole cause it was fun now that my body was smaller. Ate more protein, added creatine. Drink lots of water. I need different shirts. I dig out some old shirts, the only ones that sort of fit well are the ones she got at clothing stores that look good on pretty much no one but Henry Cavill. Turns out they still don’t look good on me, not because I’m not Henry Cavill, but I’m not a fuckboy.

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      Then she cheats on me with a dude I don’t know the name of (except I’ve unfortunately seen his dick)

      This seems like it could be an interesting story, do you mind sharing?

      For some… solidarity? Doesn’t seem like the right word but whatever… I know the name of the guy my wife cheated on me with - he’s our son’s best friend’s dad.

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        If you dig through my comment history I’m sure I’ve given the whole story in various bits and pieces with more details and less details.

        Essentially we were young. I ignored so many red flags, started thinking with my weiner, she love bombed me, I did what she wanted, she cheated, we separated then tried to make it work, and I later found out she had either not ended the affair or kept it to sexting only and low and behold dick pics.

        It’s a sad story, but also a very good lesson to not listen to never stick your dick in crazy.

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      Real talk, I thought this was going to end with you going to Henry Cavill’s house to punch him in his perfect jaw, followed by an enemies to lovers twist.

      This is still good though. I guess.

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        That would have been a better ending.

        And quite possibly a viable ending. He’s a nerd, I’m a nerd. He plays Warhammer 40k I paint Warhammer 40k minis. He likes to act, I used to like to act. He works out. I started working out.

        Hell, we might be the kind of dudes to be actually good friends. My ex would probably use the connection to try and get with him, and he could like turn her down. That’d be more awesome than I could ever imagine.

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              Also, shooting? Who the fuck has time for that? Guns are for show, chain swords are for pros.

              I’ll stick with my face punching, pissed off, genocidal, flying, fascist space vampires, thank you very much. No brainwashing involved with them, no sir. Not one bit.

              I’d bring up giant robot coffins, too, but crisis suits are fuckin’ rad, even if you can’t shove a dead wizard in there.

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                I personally enjoy the shoulder launched cruise missile that has a 6 foot range on the Broadside.

                It might be pretty showy. And it might not create a gore fest Saw fans would be jealous of. And it might feel clunky.

                Ok actually I don’t have anything I just like being artillery with legs

                • All of those things, like all of 40K, are great things.

                  I just like being fists/chainswords with jump packs and dead guy robots, I get it.

                  I also love melee deep strikes into artillery armies, chef’s kiss.

    • @SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org
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      What if she says yes? She will think I’m some nerd who plays Warhammer. I’ll just embarrass myself by knowing nothing about Warhammer.

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    Let’s be honest. Henry doesn’t have to ask.

  • @Nefara@lemmy.world
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    Ok so yes looking like Henry Cavill helps but how do you expect to go on a date with someone you like without asking them out? An amulet of Mara?

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      I thought you were supposed to sit there and blush every time they look at you (but avoid eye contact) and then (redacted) and you’re married

      • You must have asked a woman, ime that’s the “big hint” that I’m the idiot for missing. No if you’re a dude you have to pursue them but also not do that at all.

          • Me too, but I’m told “women don’t want to be the aggressor, they want to be pursued” and then there’s the ridiculous concept of “playing hard to get,” which I’m somehow supposed to be able to navigate.

            Never fully understood any of it myself, so I can’t help much. Much easier to just not talk to people, especially as a neurodivergent.

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              There are no rules, there are no guarantees, there is only respect, that’s the only thing you need to bring to the table. Stop listening to antiquated sexist bullshit and just treat people like people, drop this incel bullshit, approach them the way you would feel comfortable being approached and get rid of any expectations, both for yourself and the other person. It’s really nowhere near as complicated as you’re trying to make it out to be.

              Playing hard to get is a red flag, those people are fucked up and ego driven, don’t play games with people and don’t let people play games with you.

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                approach them the way you would feel comfortable being approached

                I would feel comfortable with a woman walking up to me and saying, “hi, let’s fuck” so I don’t think your advice is very good.

              • Tbf the “antiquated sexist bullshit” is told to me by women themselves, not irl Cotton Hill.

                Just the other week a coworker was asking how to get (some guy I’ve never met) to ask her out, I said (as I always do) “Fuck it dude ask him yourself, it’s probable he misses the signals entirely or is worried about being creepy for misreading you just being nice,” to which she replied “no, women want to be pursued, I can’t ask him out.” And it wasn’t the first time I’d heard it, (even replied “yeah I know, but it usually works”). Sooo idk, maybe it’s really just that they’re afraid of rejection but saying that doesn’t sound as cool as wanting to be “pursued,” or maybe it is just nice to feel wanted for everyone and this is just an extension of it, but it is what it is, whatever that is. I’m just believing what they tell me for lack of evidence to the contrary. She’s cool and usually honest though afaik, we’re friends and shit, so, idk.

                I’m also told it’s creepy to approach people in public except at a bar, which I no longer frequent. Then I’m told “get a hobby” but also “women don’t want to be approached while they’re trying to play d&d (example hobby),” and I’m also told to go to the gym, but then told that women don’t want another guy being a creep trying to talk to them at they gym (plus it feels disingenuous pretending I work out just to meet women, I’m also plenty active and just in shapeish from that I guess.) It’s probably fine if you’re not diagnosed as “literally does not understand social cues” ADHD and something something executive function (I have the paperwork somewhere. Somewhere…) or if you don’t care if people think you’re creepy. But for me it’s too much to navigate it regularly.

                To the playing hard to get people, you’re probably right, but I’ve never got close enough to find out, because if I even ask to begin with, at the first no I say “ok” and never ask again.

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      Step 1. Be a young male with a terrible home life and only male friends, learn to communicate only through irony and sarcasm, preserve a culture of condemning or making fun of any genuine expressions of emotion or empathy from others because it’s “cringe.”

      Step 2. Have ONE date in your teens in high-school with another teen who has no idea what she’s doing either, have it end badly as most teen relationships do.

      Step 3. Use that experience to color your entire world-view for the rest of your life and start consuming manosphere content to relieve yourself of the discomfort of remembering how terrible that one romantic experience went. “It’s not you, it’s her!” should be echoing in your head every day.

      Step 4. Really internalize other people’s ideas, thoughts and experiences as long as it validates what you’re feeling. Distance yourself from women even further, convince yourself they have nothing to offer you and are less-than-human so you have nothing you can learn from a “female.”

      Step 5. Don’t forget to hate yourself most of all, wallow in your virginity like it’s your entire sense of self, think about sex constantly and hate yourself for it, develop a crushing porn habit that dulls your ability to feel pleasure from daily life. Self-medicate with games, escapism and drugs and alcohol. Ruminate on your depressive thoughts until you’ve picked your emotions raw like a scab that won’t heal.

      Step 6. Make your disgust for women part of your entire identity, develop political views that also validate these feelings, avoid people in your life different from yourself lest they remind you that there are alternative perspectives in the world, only your own experiences and your own misery matters. Scowl in disgust when you see an attractive woman with a man, have dark, violent fantasies about having power, control, and bad things happening to people who aren’t you. Over-correct your sense of masculinity to an absurd degree, avoid the color pink, don’t touch your own ass in the shower, sneer in disgust at any attempt by others to reach you and talk about life or offer advice, they’re just NPC’s and are brainwashed by liberal media! None of this is real! We’re in The Matrix people!!

      Step 7. A beautiful, submissive woman who fits all your ideals will now approach you and beg you to marry her. You will live happily ever after.

      It works 100% of the time.

    • @Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca
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      Amulets of Mara should honestly be a thing for normal people that don’t want to use an app designed for shallow fucking.

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        shallow fucking

        is that what the kids call “just the tip” nowadays?

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      I mean, it is tempting to buy a replica Amulet of Mara and go to bars with it proudly on. Anyone that understood the meaning would possibly be within compatibility range.

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        I mentioned it because I’ve personally chatted up someone wearing one before, so it does totally work at certain nerdy conventions, as does carrying a Horga’hn.

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        Why would you need a 100% success rate? Meanwhile, not asking has something like a greater than 90% failure rate in the current western dating paradigm.

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      Note that he says: “just ask her out”.

      Don’t try to find out anything more about her. Don’t try to see if maybe she might be interested. Don’t do anything other than ask her out.

      Now, sure, it’s going to be hard to get someone to go out with you unless at some point you ask them out. But, if you follow his advice you’re probably going to face a lot more rejection before you get a yes… unless you look like him.

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        The thing is: If you ask her out (in real life, not through some shitty app) and you are not super creepy or awkward about it you already have an advantage above 90% of the dudes who write weird messages to her… it’s the date when you find out more about her

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        Note that he says “if you like her”, not “if you think a stranger is hot”

        This entirely speaks to a situation where you like someone, know their interests,etc, but you’re nervous about ruining the relationship you do have. AKA my entire high school experience lol

  • I don’t know where I saw it, and I can’t seem to find it again, but I remember one video where a girl uses Cavill as an example of what SOME women find attractive. He’s good-looking, yes, but what really got her was how he can talk about his interests with such passion. I’m obviously paraphrasing.

    • As someone with crippling ADHD, if impassioned talking about my interests is cool, consider me Miles Davis.

      Problem is, the same girl who finds it attractive will find it annoying in a week or two, and all of a sudden that thing she liked makes me a jerk.

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        Problem is, the same girl who finds it attractive will find it annoying in a week or two, and all of a sudden that thing she liked makes me a jerk.

        If you can only talk about one thing with any level of passion, yeah people are gonna get bored.

        I think a lot of younger folk online really misconstrue what it means to “get hobbies” or “just put yourself out there” and other tired cliches.

        It doesn’t mean having X hobby and just standing there around people is going to change how women look at you. It means you have to train your OWN brain to be more comfortable expressing yourself and finding new ways to feel about your situation or interests.

        Basically, everyone whines endlessly how they wish they were someone else, but you can literally change who you are on a fundamental level by changing your environment enough and forcing yourself to feel new things. Brains just do that. But people resist the moment they feel something starting to change inside them and recoil as your ego tries to preserve itself. Then they make up reasons why they didn’t commit to change and why they can’t let go of their old-self.

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            Intimately familiar, that’s where this kind of knowledge of how brains works comes from, this is process that most people who don’t have ADHD go through naturally in the course of life, ADHD and ASD can make it so you end up stunted slightly and never develop the tools naturally for change and growth.

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                I don’t know what kind of care and support you’re getting, but if you have an ADHD diagnosis, I hope you’re aware that you still have agency and can still make major improvements to your life, it’s just harder than it is for others. Depending on the severity of the symptoms. You don’t just “grow out of it” normally, you DO have to make deliberate effort to improve the quality of your life if you want that, and that’s one of the major differences between having ADHD and people who don’t, the need to understand in greater detail how the brain works so you know how to manage it.

                • I’m being dismissive because it’s not likely I’m going to stop talking about my interests any time soon and really don’t care to, but thanks for the advice.

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    I mean, I know it’s a meme, so what. But before getting the pitchforks out: does anyone have a link to Henry Cavill saying this? Just curious.

    I searched and it’s all memes and reaction videos. Maybe true, maybe true but sarcastic, or maybe false. My guess is it has all the making of a quote that nobody fact checks because it’s too good for engagement.

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      I didn’t read it as being a genuine quote, and I don’t think the idea was to smear Cavill. I think he was just used a proxy for the incel talking point of only hot dudes think you can just ask women out and have it work.

          • Sure, it also sometimes rains in the desert.

            If you’re not getting dates, waiting for her to ask obviously isn’t working, so you might as well try doing the asking.

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              If nobody is asking, you have to ask. That goes for everyone.

              I was just pointing out that asking the woman out is not necessary.

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    I was about to ask who cares what some random dude says, but judging by the comments I’m the only one who isn’t familiar with him.