• @Geobloke@lemm.ee
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    Well, they did it. Now Iran will lash out and close the straits of Hormuz. It’s the only threat that they can carry out now…

    • @Opinionhaver@feddit.uk
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      59 hours ago

      US Reportedly Assesses It Would Need to Drop Nuclear Bomb to Destroy Iran Nuclear Facility

      Well, they did it.

      No they didn’t. It was conventional bombs, not nuclear.

      • @Geobloke@lemm.ee
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        Sorry forgot about the nuclear bit of the bomb. Regardless, I want to be drafted into the psychic corps for the upcoming world war regardless of talent

    • @Opinionhaver@feddit.uk
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      19 hours ago

      It would help to some extent, but they’d have to keep bombing the facility consistently - and indefinitely - to keep it out of service.

  • GreenBottles
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    Seems to me, like there is EXTREMELY, next to zero, or perhaps zero reason to ever HAVE to use a nuke. Nuke’s should be a defensive deterrent, not a first choice. I’m sure the military has plenty of other options.

    • @Opinionhaver@feddit.uk
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      19 hours ago

      I’m sure the military has plenty of other options.

      The other option is the GBU-57 bunker buster bombs, which is what they used - but a single bomb like that isn’t capable of reaching deep enough on its own. So they had to use a significant portion of their stockpile to achieve their objective that way.

      The alternative would have been to drop in special forces and have them break into the heavily defended facility the traditional way.

    • @outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Oh honey, read some of the norbert weiner type of nuke cult guys, and their Soviet counterparts.

      This is a rabbit hole nobody wants anybody to ho down.

    • @ScizorCipher@lemm.ee
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      There are 13k ton bombs that can penetrate pretty deep dropped by B2 bombers, which might be headed to the ME right now.

      • Kitty Jynx
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        The B2s will be flown into Diego Garcia. The only time they will be in the middle east is if they are over a target. Hopefully they stay in Diego Garcia.

  • @RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
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    Trump is as dumb as a sack of hammers, and he’s looking for a nail. He just wants to treat nukes like playthings, a rich man’s flex. Just to say he did. Like a canned trophy hunt of a Lion from the safety of helicopters and trucks with everyone around him at his paid service. No risk, no personal jeopardy. Drop the bomb for lols just to experience the fact he did it and will brag about it.

      • @Opinionhaver@feddit.uk
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        19 hours ago

        The only voter demographic that saw a decrease in the last election compared to 2016 was white men. If you’re going to cry “rigged election,” then you’re undermining democracy in exactly the same way the MAGA crowd does.

      • @KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca
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        818 hours ago

        Most Americans are against him.

        I’ll believe it when I see it. What I see is Trump and his ICE Brownshorts running all over the place with almost zero resistance.

      • Most Americans might be against him, but the majority of those that voted voted for him. People’s apathy and the DNC continually being useless helped Trump win.

      • @NotSteve_@lemmy.ca
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        61 day ago

        He has an almost 50% approval rating from Americans so while you’re technically correct, that’s still a ridiculous amount of Americans who like him

        • @ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world
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          61 day ago

          That’s not the statistic I’ve seen. It was in the 30s last I saw. Among Republicans it was still fairly high, like 60s, and higher among MAGA, but the general public was much lower. Can you cite a recent source for your number? Otherwise, I’ll bolo for some updated numbers.

          • @NotSteve_@lemmy.ca
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            101 day ago

            These are the stats I found:

            • According to the most recent Gallup poll, Trump’s job approval rating was 43% in May.
            • The Economist shows that 41% of people are favorable of Trump and 53% are unfavorable of him, according to the latest update from June 20.
            • Rasmussen Reports poll from June 20 showed 52% approval and 47% disapproval of Trump.
            • The Morning Consult tracker poll taken mid-June has dropped to 46% approval rating and 52% who disapprove.
            • Reuters/Ipsos poll reported that, as of June 16, 42% of those surveyed gave him a favorable approval rating of his performance in office.
            • An InsiderAdvantage poll taken between June 15-16 showed Trump with 54.4% approval over a 44.1% disapproval of his job performance.

            From here

            • @ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world
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              Nice work, mate. Good on ya! (I’m watching Bluey with my kids right now) Looks like I’ve been outdated.

              Well, the rest of Americans need to wake tf up. It’s going to take most of us to right the ship. Fuck the rich, fuck the racists/sexists/homophobes/etc., and fuck any MAGAts who somehow aren’t covered by the previous.

              • @NotSteve_@lemmy.ca
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                Fuck the rich, fuck the racists/sexists/homophobes/etc., and fuck any MAGAts who somehow aren’t covered by the previous

                100% agreed

        • erin (she/her)
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          (not who you replied to) We can be anti-zionists without being pro-Iran. They have a horrific history of human rights abuses. Their sovereignty is being violated, but their government is not a good one.

  • doctortofu
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    1731 day ago

    Trump just desperately wants to nuke something. Anything’s fine, he just wants to drop a nuclear bomb on stuff. I mean, he was floating nuking a goddamned hurricane before.

    He’s like a toddler that sees a big red button and just HAS to push it, because it’s just there and it’s so big and red and it will make things go boom!

    • @Opinionhaver@feddit.uk
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      19 hours ago

      Not desperate enough, apparently. I’ve yet to see any of the people who were absolutely certain yesterday that a nuke was going to be dropped admit they were wrong.

    • @HugeNerd@lemmy.ca
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      Just like the original video for Land Of Confusion where senile Reagan in a hospital bed pushing the NUKE button that’s next to the NURSE button.

    • @Etterra@discuss.online
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      301 day ago

      While you’re not wrong, in general, I personally think this might be an excuse for us not to bomb the place. Trump has got himself caught in a civil war between his own cult members, and he hates not being at the center of attention and obeyed unconditionally. This might be a way to placate both sides. He can tell the pro-war side that he can’t use a weapon that’ll do the job, and he can tell the no-war side that he’s not gonna nuke it.

      That way the Orange Jackass can wrench the conversation back to about how “he’s more peaceful than anyone’s ever seen before” or whatever bullshit he decides to vomit up.

      • @anomnom@sh.itjust.works
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        112 hours ago

        Tucker is only against this because he’s been paid by Putin right?

        I assumed most of the Magats that are against the bombing Iran are paid shills. What’s Tim Pool’s take on it? (Disclaimer, I actually couldn’t give two shits what any of them think, we should be negotiating and solve this like fucking adults).

      • @wavebeam@lemmy.world
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        I don’t disagree with your sentiment, but I think NYC would be off limits because it’s his “home” where he “has the tallest building because of 9/11” and other dumbass beliefs. Basically, he wouldn’t want to harm his precious Trump Tower.

        LA though? Yeah, he might just fuckin do it.

      • @finitebanjo@lemmy.world
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        Eh, if threatening nukes and vetoing Gaza ceasefires in the UN is all the justification we need, then we all should have united against China and Russia. That’s the real crux of the issue, here, is that even as the USA is spiraling it’s really only as bad as the other two top military powers at worst.

      • NoneOfUrBusiness
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        The West for the most part isn’t. Relations between Europe and America have gotten more antagonistic, but for the most part the former is toeing the latter’s party line.

    • Guy Dudeman
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      181 day ago

      The right has been talking about nuking the Middle East for decades. They now have “one of theirs” (a “common man” who believes in the things the common MAGA believes), who is just stupid enough to actually do it. I’m taking things day by day.

  • Jolly Platypus
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    None of us really have any power to change what’s coming. It is what it is.

    I like to take comfort in the fact climate change is going to collapse civilization and drive the human race to functional extinction anyway, so none of this really matters.

    Let the nukes fly. Better to die in a fireball than from starvation.

    LFG.

    • @Soggy@lemmy.world
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      521 hours ago

      Someone got a few inches away from changing it, fwiw. Get your ecofascist doomer shit out of here.

  • @Opinionhaver@feddit.uk
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    131 day ago

    President Donald Trump is not considering using a nuclear weapon, The Guardian reported on Wednesday

    There’s no need to lose one’s mind over this. The headline isn’t saying a nuke should be used - it’s simply pointing out that a nuclear weapon would be the only thing capable of reaching a facility buried that deep under a mountain. The next best option would be the GBU-57 bunker-buster, but the U.S. would need to use a significant portion of its stockpile, since you’d have to hit the same spot multiple times to drill that deep. And even then, you’d likely only damage one section of the facility, with other parts protected behind blast doors.

    • acargitz
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      Trump isn’t “considering” anything. He’s not a rational actor, he’s a narcissistic egomaniac, unable to ask or take advice, unable to think about anything that isn’t about how cool he is perceived.

    • @vorb0te@lemmynsfw.com
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      So basically the won’t destroy it and Iran will though horrible expensive an even deeper facilty and go for the bomb, now for real.