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It’s the same with Chinese companies. In the past we thought that the US was benign but not any more.
I’ve never thought it and don’t know why others did. If you where not American why would giving the US control of your infrastructure be a good thing? People just didn’t plan for relations to change I guess.
You may not however in Australia our systems were supplied by US corporations for decades before cloud storage and processing became a thing. Every data centre was local but then some started to be owned/operated by those corporations, then started hosting in foreign countries. It’s a gradual transition where the risks were not obvious. Not so today.
Well then, time to start fining them under GDPR.
They can be fined if they actually use the data wrongly. However, them admitting is already important. It should be very obvious to anyone that there is not such thing as ‘European enclaves’ in these hyperscalers. Even if they host the data in Europe, unless it is an european company that does not have to comply with the US state, then the data is available to the US government.
This is why I’m migrating all the servers I own to EU data centres owned by EU companies. It’s insanely hard to get enterprises off the big 3 cloud providers, but for the smaller clients I support they don’t know why difference and in the long run it ends up saving then money
Do you know if there is a community of devops/admins/devs who are doing the same? I am interested in doing the same thing.
Not as far as I know, but the self-hosting community is generally moving over to VM runners and off the vendored solutions, any cloud provider can give you those.
Scaleway gives the most was style of services like managed kubernetes, FAAS, managed gateway etc. you pay for the convenience though.
Microsoft is a scummy company. Go Linux!
Has nothing to do with Windows. It’s about the different services Microsoft offers. Like Azure or OneDrive. You could run Linux (Microsoft has their own distro btw) on their cloud and they would give the US everything they asked for.
what is their distro called
Azure Linux. It was specifically developed for their cloud.
AWS also has their own. I assumed this is common with all cloud providers https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/amazon-linux-2023-a-cloud-optimized-linux-distribution-with-long-term-support/#%3A~%3Atext=Amazon+Linux+is+the+most+used+Linux%2Cpartners+are+supporting+Amazon+Linux+2023+today.
You’d assume that, but then you’ve not had the misfortune of using Google Cloud. “Because fuck you, that’s why.” – Sundar Pichai.
The big benefit of AWS Linux and Azure Linux is they start up really really quickly on their respective platforms, so if you’ve an app to run that’s fairly platform agnostic then it’s easy to deploy at scale. If it’s not very platform agnostic then you’re in for a world of pain. AL2023 in particular seems to just rename all the packages differently from any other distro just for the fun of it.
Linux is my favourite operating system company
Fuck Microsoft but aren’t there data residency laws that say French data must be stored in Europe?
So that way, when push comes to shove, no country has their data hosted on enemy servers?
I’m not saying companies follow this, but I always thought they made these laws as part of GDPR.
Fuck Microsoft but aren’t there data residency laws that say French data must be stored in Europe?
The problem with U.S. companies operating in Europe is the CLOUD Act. It doesn’t matter where the physical servers are located, if the U.S. Government wants access to the data, U.S. Based companies are required by law to allow it.
If they wanted to, they would do like they do with taxes. “Oh. It is not our data, that data is owned by Microsoft company of the virgin islands, which is totally a different company from Microsoft USA”
Sure, but you have to remember that U.S. based corporations and Microsoft in particular are formed from pure evil out of the deepest darkest pits of hell and they love nothing more than sucking the asshole of the U.S. Government, who turns a blind eye to their monopoly and lets them get away with the most foul and disgusting business practices their little black hearts can think of.
They happily facilitate the U.S. Government to spy on U.S. Citizens when there isn’t even some heinous law that allows them to legally do so. If they don’t even give a single shit about their friends, family and neighbors- what are the odds they would go out of their way to protect Europeans, what with their love of ‘consumer protections’ and ‘anti monopoly’ laws?
An important point of the CLOUD is that subsidiaries are essentially also covered, unlike what happens with taxes/income.
I work for a french public owned company in transport. The whole company uses Microsoft 365, “sysadmin is an idiot and I don’t trust his password system” [ editing done] etc… Oh yeah, no one thought about cleaning up the system so copilot’s here all right, just sipping in the corner.
We are truly f***d .Doesn’t matter whom attacks, the US, China, Russia, indépendants. They can paralyse this transportation network in a snap. And I know it’s far from a lone example.
The french public services are hopeless as far as computing and basic security is concerned. There are a few times when they struck genius and got productive, secure services out, but day to day companies that are the infrastructure of the country itself are hopeless.
They can paralyse this regional transportation network in a snap
Not to be like overtly careful or avoid discussion of the subject, but maybe don’t make that easier for people by giving somewhat specialised tips like your first paragraph.
I’m not saying the Russians on Lemmy will pick up on that specifically but I don’t think you being that specific brought any more to the comment than having said “our admin is an idiot and I don’t trust his password system at all”.
I’m being way too prudish and cautious — for now.
But I’ve definitely started being more vague about some things, just as practice for when this shit gets worse. I’d like to say “if”, but I don’t believe that rn.
Especially when nowadays technically someone could genuinely just have an LLM crawl for anything like that and then check out who those people are. I don’t underestimate Russian spycraft. Their military, yeah. Their spycraft and sabotage? Less so.
Yeah, this is information that’s going to be permanently in my brain now is that the French communication network is crazy easy to paralyze
Yes BUT, the US government can fine them whatever they want / threaten contracts / revoke their ability to do business in the US.
Ultimately their ability to function in the US is largely dependent on them doing whatever the fuck the government wants. If forced to choose between the US and EU, they’re almost always going to choose US.
Isn’t this no different then what people complain about Chinese companies? So if your not American there is no difference between Chinese and American companies.
Those laws exists, but from the article, US laws supersedes those regulations, and apparently they rather comply there than in the EU. Guess they did the math and figured the consequences in the EU are easier to stomach.
I really dont think that it matters if the data is in Europe. If the company is American then it will not matter. The data must be in Europe AND the company must be also European, this way it can not be forced by the US to do anything.
…then don’t use microsoft… /s
Why /s? This is the only logical conclusion. In general governments shouldn’t be using infrastructure they don’t control.
…i live within the US, don’t wish to be misunderstood…
American here. I alSo want to take a moment and congratulate MicrOsoft for its wonderful succesSes and contributions to this amazing country.
Ohlala, quelle surprise…
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