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I am so tired of this shit… every year they try to do this shit again. Every year we again have to convince them not too. Then a year later they try again.
They will keep trying until they win. Instead of focusing on important things, they just want to push laws for more control. Even our representatives should KNOW that people don’t want this.
I always wonder that. When we mass call and email to let them know they are wrong on something incredibly obvious. Do they go “oh wow we didn’t know you didn’t want us to know your private conversations or have a list of your favorite porn categories 😲😲😲”? They should already know this.
They do know. They just don’t care. It’s not for you. It’s to empower themselves. Even if it completely compromises/ends all private communications.
Dear Jack, where and why were you going to send photos of a child’s genitals? Are you a pedophile? And you can’t prove that this organ is yours and not a child’s without shame…
Exactly. And that is why i always feel like these “contact your representative” calls are useless. I will still do it, but it will happen. Maybe not now. Maybe not next time they try. But they will get it through.
The last time I contacted a representative they started relentlessly blowing up my phone begging for donations, so I don’t even do that anymore.
Take note that there are lobbies pushing for these. Security state, police and religious fanatics wanting morality policing, also politicians who re afraid of popular upheaval.
Maybe if politicians did what the people wanted, they wouldn’t have to be afraid of an uprising against them… and if religious cunts would just stay in their churches and mind their own business…
I’m a religious cunt, a Christian cunt if you want to be specific, and this bullshit about controlling the population is NOT part of my faith. As a matter of fact, it goes entirely against my faith, and is extremely detrimental to every single Christian.
Having said that, this is simple. Religious people that support all this are the same so because it adheres to their end game, not because of their faith.
Religious people are counted on to support this. Not to sound like an edgy teenager but while you yourself might know better, the vast majority of people looking for a shepherd are sheep. And the vast majority of people signing up to be a shepherd just want a flock.
I cannot, as much as I would like to, argue with that. What you are saying is a very well documented fact. Most Christians are following the man/woman at the front of the congregation, not Christ, and that is the reason why they end up just blindly repeating whatever those “leaders” say like parrots.
I’m all too aware of how messed up religion is worldwide (every single one of them, no exceptions).
Additionally, regardless of your age, belief, race, sexual orientation, political inclination or choice of t-shirt, never apologize for voicing your thoughts. In most of the congregations I’ve been in, I’m considered the “stumbling stone” because I have no problem calling out a pastor when they are trying to use bible verses to make everyone see things the way they want them to. I’m not saying they all do it with I’ll intent, but intention is irrelevant.
Young people like you are the ones that will help make this world better by exercising they critical thinking and freedom of speech.
Nonsense it’s the entire purpose of religion, it is a system of control
Sure, that is your reality,and I respect that you are sure that’s the case (and in many cases it is), but I happen to believe that there are shades of gray from the whitest white to the darkest black. So you do you, I’ll follow my own reality.
I think we can easily be in agreement that following a man or woman because of religion is, not only detrimental, but also dangerous. Whatwe will certainly disagree on is that, for me, Jesus is God, and for you, believing that makes me n irrational sheep. And that’s cool, I don’t think that should be a reason for one of us to hate the other, or even simply be angry (or anything similar, my English vocabulary is not too extensive).
I brought up religion because it was brought up. So, yeah, I’m not one of those that goes around pushing my believes on others, but the moment I see Jesus attacked, I will defend Him the same way He died for me on that cross.
The biggest lobby pushing this is companies like Thorn, who promise to provide (I.e. sell) the technology required to comply with such a law. It’s literally just a business investment for them.
Yeah, and, unsurprisingly, the actual experts on child abuse and privacy are mostly against this.
They need control for the sake of control, there is nothing higher than absolute power.
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Fucking hell. When does it stop? It’s gotten shot down multiple times, so why do they keep trying? Do they see more of a chance now that we’re getting more conservative views in the EP? It’s good to see my country opposes it, but man.
It never stops. They keep trying and trying and trying until they get what they want. The only time things like this stop is if whatever wouldn’t otherwise stop would inconvenience or take power from people in high places.
See: Brexit, where an advisory referendum was upheld, but we won’t ever get another one to reverse it, even though that’s a perfectly reasonable thing to want. Too many powerful people would stand to lose out.
It’s only assumed the Netherlands opposes it because of the now fallen governments stance on it before. We all know that their campaign promises and ‘regeerakkoord’ are completly meaningless. So I’m still trying to call and emailing the dutch MEP’s
Yeah, I’m not confident either. There are definitely parties in our government that don’t actually oppose this (like the VVD)
I was relieved when I learned NL is opposing, but to be fair I was also a bit surprised. Don’t think there is a good reason to be in favour of chat control, but kind of expect it from VVD, PVV and BBB anyway. They might even already want to expand it beyond child abuse to also include money launderers, immigrants and climate change protesters.
I’m not sure if this is petition is actually helpful. It is 4 years old and hasn’t been updated to note the renewed focus on this legislation: https://www.techradar.com/computing/cyber-security/the-eu-could-be-scanning-your-chats-by-october-2025-heres-everything-we-know
Instead it might be more helpful to directly contact your representatives.
This website can help you figure out who they are, and help formulate an email send to them:
https://fightchatcontrol.eu/(Obviously it is best to write your own response, or at least update the text to be your own, but it could be a good springboard)
And it is on change.org, just some portal that no one has to take seriously
EU actually has a website to make real petitions, 8 think it was https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/_en
Though I think the proper action would be to contact your local politicians.
Citizen’s Initiatives are great, but I’m not sure they are the right mechanism in this case.
They are meant to make parliament address a concern, and not to inform legislators how you feel about a law proposal that is already on the table. All a Citizen’s Initiative does is force the European parliament to address a concern if a certain threshold of signatures is met. They will be doing that anyway when the law proposal is being voted on.
And on top of that, the time frame for a Citizen’s Initiative is too long (over a year) to be a meaningful shield against Chat Control.
Contacting your representatives to the European Parliament is probably the best way forward at this point.
Perhaps an initiative should be started that introduces a law banning such laws?
Also I still think contacting your politicians directly (and telling friends and family to do the same) will have better result than change.org petition, but there’s nothing stopping people to do both.
It might be worth making a bid for legislation that requires that the public give up privacy to the government, those in government must make the same information public.
If they can read my messages, I should be able to read theirs.
Thoughtcrime is near…
I’m currently reading 1984 and already seeing references to it a bit everywhere. Same happened when I read hitchiker’s guide to the galaxy.
Yeah, of course, but it does happend from time to time(especially for hitchiker’s guide).
Examples from hitchhikers?
Mostly towels and 42.
Maybe I should reread hitchikers guide to the galaxy then
Don’t forget your towel!
Educate friends and family on government surveillance, use privacy tools like Signal, VPN, Tor, etc. Help them set it up. You can do everyday actions to push back far more useful than signing a petition.
Until they decide those tools are illegal as well. They solve a different problem. The government will ban things it cannot control so you have to fight governments directly, not just work around them.
We should vote and learn how to shoot. Sign petitions and learn how to use privacy tools.
When used with a bridge/Snowflake, Tor can bypass government censorship. It works in China for example.
I don’t trust tor. It’s western tech developed by the US and they’ve been caught lying multiple times about security features being removed from tor browser.
I’m glad it’s there and we should always have multiple options but at this point i2p has more credibility and fewer questionable ties than tor does.
Tor is more established than I2P but they’re both good, using either is a dramatic improvement in your privacy.
The public launch of tor was only 1 year before i2p.
Guys, we got a wolf
I’m fully onboard, we have to fight this for everyone’s sake.
Not completely related, but is this 100-mil-in-profits the best option to gather signatures?
Via wiki/Change.org:Change.org is a website which allows users to create and sign petitions in an attempt to advance various social causes by raising awareness and influencing decision-makers. The site is a US-based for-profit company and claims to have 557 million users as of August 2025.
Isn’t there a EU site to petition?
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/petitions/Going to sign it when it’s there and not on some US site.
Didn’t even know there was an EU website for that. Would be neat to have it there.
The linked petition says:
The European Parliament MPs must vote AGAINST Chat Control legislation during EPlenary vote in June-August 2021.
It’s not even up to date. And it only has 1.8k signatures.
Is there more actual petition?
Not a petition exactly but I found https://fightchatcontrol.eu/
There might be others, I didn’t look that long and I’m not in the EU so idk
This one is great and asks you to contact members of the European Parliament
Here’s a tool to quickly email you’re representatives about chatcontrol. It’s really easy to use and is generally great! https://fightchatcontrol.eu/#contact-tool
The European Union has begun to cross the border. I think they were inspired by United States and Signal and etc.
And how much energy will be spent on this… power for the sake of even more power, right?
Oh so this was the real reason they wanted interconnected chat apps.
EU is a regulation superpower.
And in most cases it’s really good, thought out, constantly moving with the market & reports/reviews on it’s efficiency.
It gets fucky when personal interests (like “politicians keeping down crime & protecting the kids”, or lobbyists doing the same) get mixed in tho.
This is such political popularity case.
change.org doesn’t do shit and it’s bad for privacy and anonymity
