I’ve settled on the word “progressive” as being the best general word for this.
The problem is that, outside of politics, “liberal” is the opposite of “conservative”. “Add a liberal amount of mayonnaise,” means “err on the side of too much”, while “Add a conservative amount of mayonnaise,” means “err on the side of too little”.
But in politics, sometimes, “liberal” literally means “conservative”. Especially in Europe, it is associated with free market capitalism. But in America, it is not generally associated with it.
On the other hand, the meaning of “progressive” is basically the same everywhere, political or otherwise, and it has a common-sense opposite meaning from conservative, unlike “left”.
Yeah, even in Canada our Liberal party is just centrist. The only times they actually enact anything progressive is when our left wing party (NDP) push them to
That is across the west, the non-conservative parties have all been taken over by conservatives. Better than the other guy is generally their only selling point. Which has allowed the conservative parties to become rabidly extreme and still win elections. These European countries still think they are immune even while fascism is on their doorstep gaining voteshare every election as they refuse to offer any reform.
Ok here’s what annoys me. People who CALL themselves liberals think they’re on the same side leftists in North America, but the politicians do not have these delusions. If you’re a liberal or a democrat in actual politics, you are for free market capitalism.
You’re using different terminology. Typically in the US liberal usually means socially liberal/progressive. Not economic liberalism. They’re technically right. But the slang redefinition of the term due to decades of fascist propaganda definitely muddies discussions. As intended.
Doesn’t help with the general lack of education on the topic. You have to stay constantly vigilant to not talk passed eachother because of it.
It’s apart of both liberal and conservative dichotomies to co-opt any positive social movement and claim it as their own - to outweigh all the stupid shit.
I mean…… I would say most of this is leftists not liberals, but perhaps that’s splitting hairs a bit
I’ve settled on the word “progressive” as being the best general word for this.
The problem is that, outside of politics, “liberal” is the opposite of “conservative”. “Add a liberal amount of mayonnaise,” means “err on the side of too much”, while “Add a conservative amount of mayonnaise,” means “err on the side of too little”.
But in politics, sometimes, “liberal” literally means “conservative”. Especially in Europe, it is associated with free market capitalism. But in America, it is not generally associated with it.
On the other hand, the meaning of “progressive” is basically the same everywhere, political or otherwise, and it has a common-sense opposite meaning from conservative, unlike “left”.
Yeah, even in Canada our Liberal party is just centrist. The only times they actually enact anything progressive is when our left wing party (NDP) push them to
That is across the west, the non-conservative parties have all been taken over by conservatives. Better than the other guy is generally their only selling point. Which has allowed the conservative parties to become rabidly extreme and still win elections. These European countries still think they are immune even while fascism is on their doorstep gaining voteshare every election as they refuse to offer any reform.
Ok here’s what annoys me. People who CALL themselves liberals think they’re on the same side leftists in North America, but the politicians do not have these delusions. If you’re a liberal or a democrat in actual politics, you are for free market capitalism.
Also, the opposite of “progressive” is “regressive,” which does accurately describe the opposing political force.
Progressive is for the here and now.
Socialism, or just leftism in general, is the end goal.
I tell my friends and family that I’m a progressive. Online, I call myself a socialist.
At least in the US, you’re doing your advocacy right.
You’re using different terminology. Typically in the US liberal usually means socially liberal/progressive. Not economic liberalism. They’re technically right. But the slang redefinition of the term due to decades of fascist propaganda definitely muddies discussions. As intended.
Doesn’t help with the general lack of education on the topic. You have to stay constantly vigilant to not talk passed eachother because of it.
Over here, the liberals would be the guys hiring the Pinkertons to shoot at the striking employees.
It’s not splitting hairs. Americans are just very confused.
It’s apart of both liberal and conservative dichotomies to co-opt any positive social movement and claim it as their own - to outweigh all the stupid shit.
Exactly this, liberals love to point at shit that they fucking opposed, like integration, women’s rights, etc and claim they built it
This is worse than splitting hairs, its propaganda designed to split the non-maga vote. Please stop.
Ok… sure bud
It’s splitting hairs because the intended audience thinks they’re the same thing.