- cross-posted to:
- fuck_ai@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- fuck_ai@lemmy.world
The admin of the Mastodon instance cyberspace.social just received an AI powered notice to delete the parody account @microsoft@lea.pet
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lol. it’s always fun to poke fun at big corporations
Microsoft is at this point made up entirely of technically inept people running fraudulent mechanical Turks.
After forced to switch to Microsoft teams, I became their PM and developers are alien origin.
Like, some of the logic doesn’t make any human sense. Like, LLM slop would’ve done better.
Microsoft is such a horrid company.
So, here’s what I would do. I would comply (you should be able to delete the local instance of that account). But I’d also reply pointing out that it’s a mirror of the real account hosted at lea.pet and their real beef is with them, and should that user interact with or generate content pushed to you, the local copy would be re-created.
Keep a copy of the email you send (because it’s highly likely a human doesn’t monitor that mailbox) and then move on with your life. If a real person then wants to complain you can just forward the email you sent and tell them the same still applies.
It’s automated and the email indicates as such.
So, then, according to corpo logic, you’ve setup a system that automatically repeatedly breaks the law (copyright , maybe? Ianal).
And if the liability is on you for hosting a federation service with no control over the content and you are accountable for the replicated content, then it is effectively the end of federation. Again, not a lawyer but given how much the law favors corps over individual rights in the US it seems like it would track.
I’ve said this before. The UK online safety act if they enforce it hard against fediverse instances, it will be the end of federation, for UK users without a VPN at least. Because it puts too much on the shoulders of small site operators.
In this case though, the exception most countries have for site operators to avoid being responsible for their user’s posts is usually reliant on action being taken when content on your site is reported to you. There isn’t really an exception for saying “Umm, wasn’t from my site mate. Go follow the trail and get the original guy”. The argument will be, the site you control has the content, remove it.
In the UK in the 1990s there was a court case [1] that might even form the part of the case law behind the publisher exception. In that case the claimant stated that the ISP was alerted to forged usenet articles (usenet was pretty much a good analogue for modern federated content) that he believed defamed him. They did not remove the articles (presumably because they did not originate on their usenet server, by their users I am not sure). He sued them and the court ruled in his favour. There’s more nuance, but the take away is pretty much what we got in the law created later.
Since then we have enacted the Defamation Act 2013 [2], which has section 5 that gives SOME exemption to operators of websites that allow posts by third parties (that pretty much covers the fediverse). That makes it clear that if the claimant cannot identify the user (which would be the case for 99% of threadiverse users), and if you are informed about the content and do not take action, then you may be held accountable for the defamation. Now that just means that if they tell you X post is defamatory or should be removed for another legal reason, if you refuse to do so in a reasonable time period, then you can be held responsible and treated as the publisher of that message. So if it were to breach some law, they could sue you for it as if you posted it yourself. Which is kinda why I’d say just remove it if there’s any doubt at all. I’m not a legal expert, but that’s how I read the act.
I’m not sure how it works elsewhere. I live in the UK. But generally the rules are somewhat similar.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godfrey_v_Demon_Internet_Service [2] https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2013/26/section/5
this is why niche stuff on fedi is so funny sometimes. especially when a corporate entity tried to approach it, in the most corporate way lol.
The instance rules state;
3 . No impersonation of a person or a brand. Even parodies.
6 . Each username on here should be a person, not a brand or corporation - and that person must be you, no impersonation.
Now I’m not coming to the defense of a corporation because fuck corps but wouldn’t this account violate those rules? Microsoft is a (shitty) brand and this is a parody of that.
I might be wrong but thats how I would interpret those two rules.
And again fuck microsoft, even if it does violate the instance rules it should be left alone just to piss of a shitty corp.
Edit: As TherapyGary pointed out, the instance they are on has no rule pertaining to parody accounts, My bad.
I believe the Microsoft account is hosted on Lea.pet, which doesn’t have those rules
could be a rule break of number 9
are we sure on the English translation?
@Una@europe.pub pls translate
“Reject humanity emprace meow meow mrrrp :3”
Ah I see, thanks ☺ Good kitty
meow meow :3
don’t harass people if there isn’t a valid reason for doing that
what a nothing rule lol, every harasser believes they are justified
This rule is my favorite lol
I like rule 8
Poor Ubuntu.
What does DNI mean?
Do Not Interact (with us) lol
:D
Some might argue it requires a terminal level of brain worms to understand what is being said with rule 8. But I for one find beauty in this exactly level and flavor of petty, and I come to the fediverse for it.
Also, what’s a valid reason for harassment?
Presumably using Ubuntu is one of them lol
Fair point, I didn’t know those rules weren’t on lea.pet. That’s on me I should have checked, my bad.
Quick, everyone make a million parody accounts to troll microsoft harder.
Mrrrrp :3
pats
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6 . Each username on here should be a person, not a brand or corporation - and that person must be you, no impersonation.
“I’m not a businessman, I’m a business, man!”
-Jay-Z regretting his words
You’re making the same mistake Microsoft made
It’s not hosted on that instance. It’s hosted at another instance. You’re making the same mistake that the Microsoft bot AI did.
Yeah, I literally made an edit admitting it so thanks for wasting your time pointing it out again.
Stupid rules deserve breaking.
They don’t really understand their user base either
let them sue, parody is fair use. get that bag king
AI putting copyright troll lawyers out of jobs? Best use I’ve heard of yet.
:D
Not that I have any sympathy for them but technically speaking, can we say “Microsoft does X” when it was just a “brand protection LLM”?
For sure they chose it to be an outward connection but are we really now stating that an LLM can represent a company? I feel like that’s both “you are stupid for using LLMs that way” and empowering LLMs at the same timeThey are the ones who configured the tool to be used this way. Yes, Microsoft did that.
You’re always responsible for the actions of those that you choose to represent you. Regardless of how stupid they may be.
The phrasing is really weird too. Like I would understand if they were asserting their trademark, but saying it’s an account they’ve lost access to?
They don’t even say they lost access. Lol they just say delete it. Fuck these assholes.
They say they do not have access to it.
Yeah. I don’t have access to it either. What does that mean? Of course they don’t have access to it. It’s not their account.
Streisand effect in full swing too. I’m now following @Microsoft@lea.pet :)
I don’t get fediverse either. How do I follow that from a Lemmy app. The link dosnt work.
Lemmy doesn’t support following people, you need a mastodon or Sharkey account for that. Check sharkey.world and mas.to
Does Microsoft understand anything? At all? They suck at making software, they suck at making operating systems, they suck at making genAI, they suck at making game consoles, they’re starting to suck at owning github, what don’t they suck at? What part of their business is done better than anyone else? What end user experience is better on an MS product than anywhere else? They have a shittier alternative to literally everything and nothing truly good.
They rock at being the default. As much as I love LibreOffice MS office is probably the best office suite I’ve used too.
For how good and useful Excel is, it’s overbalanced by how utterly fucking dog shit Word is.
Word is when you have a crap and can’t seem to wipe yourself fully clean. Word is making a morning coffee and finding the milk has gone bad. If it weren’t for the US deciding they’d rather invade the Netherlands than let a single Yank stand trial in the Hague, the entire executive suite of Microsoft would be up on war crimes charges because of Word.
Yeah, like I can’t disagree, I’ve spent hours at work producing decidedly shit documentation (that it’s just occurred to me I should probably have done in PowerPoint) but equally I don’t think I’ve ever used a WYSIWYG word processor I’d consider good either (or web design program for that matter).
As someone who is actively moving away from Apple stuff, the hardest thing for me to give up has been Pages. The iPad version is fine, but the Mac version is the GOAT as far as I’m concerned.
But it sucks balls for making anything that needs to be opened on any other editor.
VSCode
You’re talking to a vim user. If you even suggest that a MS product is better I’ll go crazy and crush up my own teeth into dust and then put it in my morning breakfast milk to make Teeth Milk (Tilk)
You’ve been warned.
(It’s 6 in the morning and I still haven’t slept I’m really sorry about this but this reply seems really funny to me so I’m posting against my better judgement)
I am not going to argue if it is better or worse than vim. I actually use both; they both have strengths and weaknesses imo. I use them for different tasks. I will say though that VSCode is extremely popular for programming and for good reasons. It’s a good product, one of the best things Microsoft make.
Out of interest: why vim and not neovim?
And I can’t really argue with you cause, I’ll be honest with you, I’m an amateur programmer. I actually do use neovim though, I just said vim because it’s just more recognizable. Like, that’s just kinda the name of this general category of thing. Don’t have enough experience to know the difference between the two though (except that vim doesn’t clear itself from my terminal when I exit, that’s annoying. Oh and the tutor. And the color. But I haven’t experimented with any of those cool plug-ins yet…)
In neovim you can have a terminal inside a buffer. So you can have a terminal and your code open side by side like you would in a modern IDE, or emacs for that matter.
ARE YOU SERIOUS RIGHT NOW?? YOU CAN JUST HAVE A TERMINAL ATTACHED TO IT TO DO WHATEVER??? HOW did I not know about this sooner I spent literal hours researching how to best use neovim
That was literally my only problem with cli-based text editors and its just there???
I’m gonna be so fucking powerful now that i know this , thank you you beautiful lemmy user
Edit: I feel like this guy at about 2:00 in this video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9sv3ydNBfQA
Yeah pretty much. Wait until you hear about termux, screen, or byobu.
See you around.
I don’t intend to have the tone of some of these other guys; if you like it that’s fine, really.
But man, every time I’ve used VSCode, I cannot help but hate it. It’s a mess of a user experience, with anything off the beaten path being community supported via plugins that have different opinions on how they should work.
I’m a nvim user these days, I’m all about extensible tools, but I can redefine how they work if it’s not a default I like, so it’s always cohesive to me.
Between the full-fat IDEs, I prefer JetBrains by far, but these days I pretty much just use the terminal - it’s just faster and it’s easy to get it to meet me where I’m at.
I am sure the terminal IDEs are great. I did used to play around with vim myself, and still use it for editing config files. I have had some success with Jet Brains as well. It’s a solid product.
I don’t really have the energy it takes to configure and learn all the stuff that’s needed for a terminal only setup these days. I guess I am just not as discerning as you are. I might try a ready made solution like LazyVim.
Lazy works. I started my config from this repo. It got me up and running well enough with a pretty basic viable config almost immediately with a well documented parts for me to tweak at my leisure as I hit pain points.
But, if you do try it and don’t like it, or prefer a G-IDE - at least you tried it. Good luck to you, captain.
I don’t know if you’re asking seriously, but if you are the answer is: Enterprise manageability and accountability. There’s a reason why every hospital, Fortune 500 corporate campus, military base, supermarket, distribution centre, etc, etc all run Windows workstations. Why would a ruthlessley profit-driven corporation buy expensive Windows licenses when Ubuntu is free? Because when you’re dealing with ten thousand workstation in 150 countries, each with own requirements for data protection, working time, employee rights, etc that not only need enforcing, but need to be audited, you can do all that with a single Windows server and a half-motivated sysadmin. And for everyone smaller than that, you still get access to those same tools for your school, office, factory, whatever on your fleet of twenty mismatched laptops from eight different vendors.
Nothing else comes close, and until it does nothing will change. They would all drop Windows in an instant if there was a sensible alternative.
That’s the thing though, they would drop it in an instant if there was an alternative. The fact that there’s no competition on the OS front is due to conscious efforts on their part to monopolize desktop operating systems because they wouldn’t be able to compete if they had competition.
They suck at making everything except money.
That’s called a scam artist, and honestly that’s not far off at all. They did some sneaky shit to maintain a monopoly.
Their computer mice are pretty good quality, but I don’t know if they are the best.
I feel like this is going to become a problem with federation in the future. A Mastodon instance is hosting content outside of its control that may or may not comply with its internal policies or local law. Is that instance protected legally? Likely not.
It would likely be treated the same way as auto forwarding an email would be treated.
AT proto’s PDS architecture does solve that 👀
Edit: I do want to say that after reading this blog post I have become a bit more lenient on ATProto. It seemed rather neutral and objective and found several upsides that I think are worth taking a look at.
Has BlueSky implemented federation yet?
No, but if it did you could control where your data lived, because people do host their own PDS iirc for bluesky.
Yeah, if.
wdym they not have federation yet, there are independent servers for every service (e.g. pds, relay, appview, moderation) except for PLC
yes
thanks microsoft! i just followed the account!
Oh my fucking god! Please, M$, do continue!!
I do not understand why they want to remove minecraft videos.
Minecraft videos have been a huge part of it’s growth… and it’s impossible to imagine a scenario where these videos are harming MS or their brand. They already make money off of viewers buying the game… this is stupid
I do not understand why they want to remove minecraft videos.
For the same reason they went after the admin of the wrong instance asking them to delete the fake microsoft account - it’s a dumb algorithm doing a shit job. That this is a separate company that is being paid while doing such a shitty job says a lot about microsoft
I think I need to grift more, but I can’t even conceive of such stupid ideas.
