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Their whole identity is being built around fighting nazis. And bringing back traditional values.
Just like conservative values are being brought back to fight wokness.
Just like israel has to eradicate Palestine.
Just like nazis had to exterminate the jews.
It is all fascism.
Tankies are fascists that deluded themselves into thinking they are lefties.
Their whole identity is being built around fighting nazis. And bringing back traditional values.
Idk about that second bit.
fighting nazis
Just like nazis had to exterminate the jews.
Wait, what?
Tankies are fascists
Listen, .ml has its own problems. But when the fascists get to your door, you’re going to wish you had a tank, too.
Who knew. Vatnik garglers consider anything that is in opposition to Russia and russkiy mir is a nazi /s
I got banned from .ml because I said China and North Korea were oppressive regimes. Apparently that means I am a “fascist sympathizer”
China and North Korea were oppressive regimes
Apparently that means I am a “fascist sympathizer”
It certainly signals you as a mark. Can’t count how many conservative trolls have used “They want to make America into North Korea!” to terrify Americans into rejecting everything from Canadian style health care to Haitian earthquake refugees to Columbia’s anti-genocide protest movement.
Get away from this rhetoric and quit being terrified of places on the other side of the planet you’ve only ever heard about as Scary Ghost Stories. You’re only a few steps off panicking over Venezuelan Biker Gangs and Ground Zero Mosques.
I want you to reply to me “The Tianamen Square Massacre happened the third of June in the year 1989. And the government murdered 300 peaceful protestors that day, then had the fucking audacity to claim 5,000 of their soldiers were injured which is fucking laughable and expected of oppressive regimes.”
Or something along those lines.
So your solution is to… say that China and North Korea are wonderful, tolerant regimes? What is your point lmao
Edit: I guess it’d probably be to “just ignore it it’s fine”
Edit: I guess it’d probably be to “just ignore it it’s fine”
☺️ That’s the spirit.
Except it isn’t and you can acknowledge that fact without being a “fascist sympathizer”. If someone is going to draw false parallels, ignoring how bad the regimes are isn’t going to change that
They are going by the MAGA definition.
You should post that ban message
I was actually misremembering it seems (I was mixing 2 bans together) I got banned for this comment for the ambiguous “rule 1”. It was a different community that banned me for being a “nazi defender”
Slava Ukraini! Go fuck yourself, .ml tankies
I mean, I blocked the instance because a lot of the content is just ragebait, historical revisionism, or just plain nonsense.
Best option is to ignore them, let them fester, then watch the inevitable infighting as they factionalise with some popcorn.
I had no idea so much of lemmy.ml was run and populated by a bunch of paid Russian agents and their useful idiots. One guy had only been on Lemmy for a couple of months and had already posted hundreds of propaganda pieces from Russian state sponsored new sources. Another poster specialized on propaganda from other sources but was just as prolific.
lemmy.ml is the toilet of Lemmy.
Huh? Is this a troll post? “slava ukraini” being a fascist slogan isn’t even a tankie take, it’s just a historical fact. Like, who even disagrees with this? It even says so on english-language wikipedia, which is like the most lukewarm non-controversial source out there:
In April 1941 in German-occupied Kraków, the younger part of the OUN seceded and formed its own organisation, called the OUN-B after its leader Stepan Bandera. The group adopted a fascist-style salute along with calling “Glory to Ukraine!” and responding with “Glory to the Heroes!”
Your own Wikipedia article says it was around decades before WWII and Bandera. Should we shun norse mythology too because the Nazis co-opted it for a while before getting their asses kicked?
You’re conflating nationalism and fascism.
Bandera’s followers massacred civilians during WWII. No matter what label you stick on it, the ideologies of these people (and, by extension, the slogans they used as rallying calls) have no place in a fair society.
have no place in a fair society.
No shit.
But you shouldn’t conflate them despite them often walking hand in hand.
A country having nationalist fervor doesn’t necessarily mean it’s in any way fascist. So conflating modern healthy patriotism of the Ukraine to historical fascists is quite clearly wrong — on purpose.
despite them often walking hand in hand.
Yeah that’s the whole issue. You’re telling me these “healthy patriots” could not find a SINGLE thing in the entire history of their country to be proud of apart from a slogan used by fascists?
Where I live (Netherlands) people often use the term “Polder mentality” to celebrate the people’s historical ability to cooperate despite differences in opinion. This is what “healthy patriotism” looks like. If you instead go out of your way to praise the nation’s “VOC mentality”, people will rightfully look at you weird and maybe even call you out for glorifying slavery. Because an actual patriot would never be proud of slavery.
If I was a Ukrainian patriot, I would go out of my way to cut any association with the fascist parts of my country’s history, not make it my main slogan.
“couldn’t they find something else to chant than [the name of their nation] in this battle where it’s nation against nation”
Couldn’t Russia just stop invading neighbouring nation-states?
The comment thread didn’t mention Russia once. Rent free lmao.
This whole post is about the Russo-Ukrainian war? You know, a war where Ukraine is defending itself against Russia?
Thanks for revealing yourself as a Putlerite, though.
Yeah he stole that from a poem from 1848 he even says that openly…
People should really be more upset with lemmy.ml - it’s such a shit stain on the entire fediverse :(
funny, everone here talking about “tankies” whatever this is, but not about the fascist origin and tradition of the slogan.
Origin is irrelevant, the reality of how it’s used today is what matters. Language evolves and slogans are just language.
if this were true, that would mean that the nowadays Ukrainian nationalists didn’t have enough phantasy to come up with something original.
but the argument is bollocks. it’s not only untrue, it’s ignorant and dangerous.
What are the fascist origins? From what I have read, it was first used by Taras Shevchenko, a poet who promoted Ukrainian independence from tsarist Russia and was described as “the founder of the revolutionary democratic trend in the history of Ukrainian social thought” and a utopian socialist. He didn’t seem fascist in the slightest. Then it was popularised by various nationalists in the Ukrainian War of Independence who established a short-lived parliamentary republic. That’s not fascist either.
you’re leaving out the part where thousands of Jews and Poles were massacred under that slogan.
They clearly live rent-free in your head.
I never heard of tankies until I got to lemmy.
The first thing that I ever saw from them was a meme about how Joseph Stalin had very little in the way of material things when he died, despite the position he held.
And I was like Bitch, I care about Stalin’s earthly possessions in the exact same way that I care about Hitler’s painting with watercolors skill set.
This got me thinking about my western canadian upbringing through the back half of the Cold War. A steady stream of western indictrination and perspective. I recall zero words spoken about Joseph Stalin’s personal life or spending habits.
So who the fuck was that meme aimed at? Who is out there, just wanting to love Stalin, but can’t on account of thinking he lived in opulence? Who is out there heaping scorn on Stalin for what he owned or didn’t?
That’s when I realized that tankies are just a combination of Flat Earthers/Sovereign Citizens. It’s all bullshit, and the point is to be exceedingly difficult to talk to.
There is a funny story about the real currency of power that involves Stalin. The story goes that Stalin and his party officials came upon a beggerwoman on the side of the road. She asked them if they could spare some money. In a rare moment of generosity from Stalin he went for his wallet, only to find it empty. He asked the officials if they had any money, but all of their purses sounded empty.
Those in power do not need money, as everything they ever want will be given to them.
My first interactions on lemmy here were with a large pod of tankies on memes of all places.
It was not clear to me they were anything but super politically correct Americans so I argued with them for like a hundred different replies before one of them told me, then they kept brigading me and following me on to other posts and such.
Then my phone started acting wonky and I got afraid I was getting hacked by them so I made a new account, I do not know if they can find you from Lemmy but I still have both.
I envy you. I live in Hungary, and for a long while the only leftists I knew about were tankies. They’re just as annoying offline as online.
I too, have never heard of tankies before joining lemmy.
Imagine my surprise, when i, a guy from a post-soviet country, where the fans of soviets are endangered species, see them all fanboying over dictators of the past century over here lol
This is so relatable. I’m from a former communist country. The first time I encountered a large group of tankies was on Reddit around the TikTok ban. It was stunning. It had me thinking “My god, the far-right will put us all in the same boat as these weirdos and sink the boat”
The best part they’re from countries that never even remotely experienced soviet horrors. The lead tankies are from Netherlands and many other appear to be from flyover states of the US lol
and obvious it’s invaded by ruzi bots
Kind of likewise; coming from Reddit the political weirdos were American conservative types, “Jesus needs more guns to shoot the gays and the poor and the blacks” sort of folks. The idea of fervent fucking Soviets on the English speaking internet was new and instantly boring.
There are actually plenty of tankies on Reddit, but with Reddit you have to pretty much seek it out because of the massive user base
Legend goes that dessalines actually started Lemmy because their Reddit main got perm banned because he went a lil too tankie
I remember a huge dustup maybe 4 years ago where tankies infiltrated and tried to take over a bunch of left leaning subs within a few weeks. They do it regularly too. I’ve noticed quite a few db0 accounts that are around 9 months old spewing the usual tankie shit.
tankies get astroturfed by right wingers so much they are pretty much invisible. and the ones on the “left” but not extreme left filters them enough for the same results.
What’s the “extreme left”? Anarchists? Why would they support authoritarianism?
Indeed as an Anarchist, tankies and maga conservatives are the mirror of each other, it’s just who holds the hammer and gun that differs.
You won’t see a tankie doing a nazi salute, but you will find them spouting the same antisemitism
Anti-Semitism as a phrase is broken, maybe you should find a new word to use that isn’t poisoned. Did you know that the Arab peoples are semitic?
what do you mean broken? what do you propose instead?
Legend goes that dessalines actually started Lemmy because their Reddit main got perm banned because he went a lil too tankie
Hey dessalines, care to chime in on why you are the way you are?
alot of tankies probably got banned from reddit for the same reason they are getting blocked/defederated here. plus we get conservatives too trickling from time to time.
Tankies never venture into this community, despite this being a place where they can freely discuss their viewpoints. It’s because they know their positions don’t hold any weight, and they’re afraid of being scrutinised.
Idk where here is referring, but memes is all tankies.
here this community
Funnily enough, for all of the prominent Tankie talk about not wanting to be an echo chamber and welcoming debate, .ml actually has this comm instance-blocked LMAO
Yeah. They’re as bad as MAGA with the snowflake hypocrisy.
i call them mirror image of conservatives. inverted image of conservatives.
Same here, never heard of them before Lemmy. I was shocked by their illogical statements and behavior. I couldn’t believe anyone could hold such inconsistent beliefs and not just melt their brain, by so many mental gymnastics and plot holes. I still can’t. It just makes way more sense that they are all done kind of weird Russian ai experiment.
i wish all the stupidity i see in the world was the result of russian misinformation, but that’s almost too optimistic a position to hold in my eyes…guess we’ll see if/when russia collapses from fighting ukraine, if it all just dries up.
putin is funding the troll farms personally, i think it will be the last to collapse before russia does unfortunately.
They kind of betray each other a lot of the times where some say that tiananmen square massacre didn’t happen and others saying that they are color revolutionaries and absolutely deserved it.
I personally know a born-and-raised Chinese person who’s loyal to the regime. Not even he denies the Uyghur genocide. He just admits that he thinks china should be an ethnostate. I think about that every time I see some keyboard warrier say the genocide is western propaganda.
asians are pretty hardcore conservatives, at least for the older generation. vietnam, china,etc. thats why you seem them “rallying” with right/white supremacists quite often, also older millennials(35+) tend to gear towards conservatism more than progressivism/left leaning ideology. Or at the most they support some left leaning, but does not like things gay marriage,weed,drugs,etc. i know people that are this way. also notice asians that have at least some religious upbringing, either christianity or buddhism(funny enough) and left the religion partially, but became more right wing when trump came around. i knew someone early in college that was a vietnamese immigrant, he was very PRO-BUSH,war. and yes i am asians.
I’ve seen them saying it was fine because the students wanted to be killed. Insane
Yeah, just bizarre.
I was willing to listen to them until I was the target of completely unfounded censorship. I figured, meh maybe they have a few nuggets of wisdom. They called me a racist and a xenophobe for a meme I made that neither contained racism or race.
That’s all they do, is engage in name-calling. Nothing actually productive. They’re just a bunch of name-callers.
i heard it on reddit first surprisingly enough. i always suspect it means extreme belief of whatever sub they were in.
Here’s my 2¢ on how that kinda post might’ve been effective propaganda on me if I just saw it in the background long enough.
I grew up in America in a conservative area and everyone saw wealth as success and legitness. I now find myself beliving that if you live in excessive luxury that you are part of the problem. I can see how learning Stalin didn’t have much when he died would appeal to a certain leftist in me and changes the emperor tone I originally picture him with.
I have other issues with Stalin, but maybe if I’d’ve lived on .ml long enough those kinda posts could’ve slowly changed what comes to mind when I think of him.
I have other issues with Stalin, but maybe if I’d’ve lived on .ml long enough those kinda posts could’ve slowly changed what comes to mind when I think of him.
Conservative estimates state that Stalin was directly responsible for twenty million deaths.
There is no charm offensive that will “slowly change what comes to mind” when thinking of Joseph Stalin.
Well I’m no historian. I didn’t have that number. My point is that I don’t think about Stalin that much, and, without grounding, posting about how minimalist Stalin was sounds like a decently effective way to change how I view him.
It sounds like you’ve got a much more detailed understanding of Stalin than I do.
Anyone my age range or older would have no excuse for not knowing what kind of monster Stalin was. Anyone who has spoken to survivors who escaped his regime would never have the fucking audacity.
By comparison, Pol Pot was responsible for the killing fields in Cambodia. His murder spree is just a rounding error in Stalin’s body of work.
20 million deaths
and how many of those were invading nazis?
and how many of those were invading nazis?
Stop trying to put lipstick on a pig.
“Don’t believe the victims!”
Isn’t the part of a winning charm offensive.
Any quibbling you attempt in an effort to massage the numbers just dies, when you consider that the numbers you want to fiddle with are in the fucking millions.
My point is if they have to pad the stat with millions of dead nazis, what else are they willing to lie about?
What about liberal estimates?
Triple that.
Isn’t that like ten holocausts?
Modern tankies are likely a spook psyop… Both foreign and domestic. They serve a useful purpose for both sides within the online eco systems
tankies seems to boost conservatism idelogy more than they do for the “left”. because they have the same messaging and values.
Based on how fucking bad they are at peddling their shit, my alternate theory is that they’ve been funded by some western democracy foundation, with the brief of making anything that is Warsaw Pact scented as unpalatable as humanly possible.
Like PETA working overtime to get people to hate Vegans.
Some people have made arguments that the leadership of the USSR simply replaced the old capitalist/aristocratic class and had access to their wealth through the levers of state power. I have not investigated the truthfulness of this claim, but I’m guessing this was a response to that talking point.
If they don’t have their name written on it, just use the estates and other expensive things all their life it’s technically not theirs. This is the tankie argument
“The people’s presidential ballroom”. Funny how well aligned out current capitalist leaders and the so-called communists can be.
Some people go as far to say that US is literally repeating USSR arc in some ways…
For example COVID is Chernobyl as it exposed that we are essentially ruled by nepo imbeciles. And people with any degree of independent thinking and competence get side lined.
Food prices and over all stagnation of the working people. Young people who have zero faith in the regime.
I mean…. They don’t hide who and what they are.
Lol I just got banned from deprogram for saying the Xi pooh meme wasn’t inherently racist and that people used as a form of mockery of an authoritarian leader… Some idiot actually tried to argue “do you call all heads of state authoritarians or just communists?” Like bro, the only reason I don’t call myself a communist is because I think it doesn’t go far enough…
But they don’t actually care about communism as a project or theory or even the people it claims to empower; they just want the boot to be on the other foot.
It’s funny considering the meme originated by the Chinese.
Hm, is this meme making fun of Xi trying to appear tough?
No, the Chinese must have made a racist caricature of being Chinese!
Mocking dear leader is racists…
Note how your hardcore tankie will not even question daddy trump… hmmm
