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      And wow, Trump is so much better than Harris would have been for Gaza!

      Gaza was a stupid cause to get hung up on, I am not saying it isn’t important, it is extremely important, but letting the cheeto win just to spite Harris for not supporting Gaza enough was stupid

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        Oh, I am with you, friend. Unfortunately, being on the same side as him, just “not as bad”, definitely didn’t do her campaign any favors. Especially among low information voters, who are really just taking everyone at their word. While Trump was boldly asserting himself as anti-war, Harris was just giving vague, wishy-washy answers, that relied on far too much nuance. American voters don’t like to think that hard.

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        If you truly believe “Gaza was a stupid cause to get hung up on” then what’s your justification for her continued support of the genocide occurring there?

        You act like people are stupid for making a big deal about it, while failing to give a reason why she felt it was a big enough deal to support even if it meant letting Trump win the presidency yet again.

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          None, but with her the US would not be destroying itself as quickly, and USAID would still be a functional agency.

          I try to be a realist, and looking at Trumps regime, I don’t see Harris causing more harm in total.

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            You make statements like “with her the US would not be destroying itself as quickly” and wonder why she didn’t win the election?

            You don’t see the irony in saying “you must vote for either the slow destruction or the fast destruction of the country because if you don’t, you’re supporting the destruction of the country.” How about people take their partisan blinders off already and see that limiting yourself to these two choices is what’s destroying the country.

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              I don’t wonder why she didn’t win, the US citizens had two alternatives.

              1. An educated, experienced, boring politician.
              2. An unhinged lunatic.

              The US citizens picked the lunatic.

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                Way to quickly back track and deflect from your last comment.

                I also find it funny that everyone defending Harris and the DNC for running a train wreck of a campaign and handing the country over to Trump eventually comes around to admitting they don’t even live in the US despite their strong opinions and insight into US politics.

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                  And then scream that anyone who isn’t pro-genocide is an evil foreigner for disagreeing with netanyahu.

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            I try to be a realist

            You realists sure do tend to lose elections. But hey, maybe you’ll get enough republican votes to win next time, eh?

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              First the Republican party would need to establish itself here in Sweden, then you would need to kill me, steal my identity and vote for them in my name, that is the ONLY way they will ever get my vote

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          Palestine has been a bipartisan bad take for the US the whole time. Any single issue is a bad issue to get hung up on. “Lines in the sand” are a fragmentary psy-op to get you to ignore the big picture.

          Yes, every big deal is a big deal, but there are hundreds of big deals. Taking a stance on this one didn’t make it any better, arguably made it worse, and also let a whole lot of other big deals get bigger.

          Single-issue voting is how we got in this mess in the first place. We aren’t going to single-issue vote our way out of it.

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            There’s a difference between intentionally torpedoing peace talks and outright arming and funding a genocide against a civilian population.

            Democrats have been shitty for the country for a long time, but now the mask is off and people are seeing through the virtue signaling, false promises, and outright lies. This may be a single issue, but its the straw that broke the camel’s back for a lot of people and it’s one issue in a sea of issues the Democrats are on the wrong side of.

            We didnt get into this mess by voting on single issues. We got into it by continually electing people who are using their positions for personal gain and the gain of their wealthy donors above all else. That’s the bipartisan issue. Both parties work for the same people and it isn’t us. The political fights broadcast on TV and social media are just a smoke screen to make people believe we have two opposing parties, but it turns out the real opposing parties are the American people and the wealthy.

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              We didnt get into this mess by voting on single issues. We got into it by continually electing people who are using their positions for personal gain and the gain of their wealthy donors above all else.

              Single issues are exactly how those people manipulate your vote.

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        Genocide is NOT a stupid cause to get hung up on. It is literally the worst crime that can be committed.

        More than 90% of Democrats believe that there’s a genocide happening, and they want it to stop.

        Politicians are supposed to LEAD their constituents, not follow. Kamala has no North Star, so she was doomed from the start.

        The best thing she could have done was take Walz’s lead, but the donor class swiftly shut that shit down.

        You tell me if we have a functioning democracy

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          Considering that in the US’ two party system, you can have a winner who lost the popular vote, I’d say that the US is a deeply flawed democracy.

          Any democratic system that includes first past the post is a flawed system

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        What makes you think she would be any different from Trump on Palestine? Everything Trump is doing right now is a continuation of the Biden-Harris policy of letting Israel commit genocide with absolutely no pushback.

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          That is EXACTLY my point!

          She probably wouldn’t be any different, but she would be remarkably different on US policies, immigration, trans care, USAID.

          People who refused to vote for Harris, you forgot about the biggest fact in politics, you never vote for the best candidate, you vote for the lest bad candidate.

          No one will be able to convince me that Harris wasn’t the least bad candidate between her and Trump.