This is great. Honest people like Steve and Wendell are great for Linux. Let’s make sure, as a community, we don’t give them a hard time about their distro of choice. I think bazzite is an excellent choice to start until they get comfortable digging deeper into the system.
Not everyone wants or needs to dig deeper though. If Bazzite meets all of someone’s needs, good. The vast majority of people want an OS that just works out of the box.
Very true. I guess I could have phrased it better. But you’re right, not everyone needs to dig deeper into Linux, a lot of us want to just enjoy their system that just works. I’m actually one of those people.
lol the truth comes out. I just wanna stay as close to Windows as would be comfortable without Microsoft’s telemetry, personally ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You can use the windows utility tool by Chris Titus to debloat windows to death if you want.
Didn’t know about this, thanks!
Wendell uses cachyOs on his channel.
Steve shouted his channel out too, so hopefully this ends up being a “separate sides of the coin” for the audience to enjoy (if one is curious about what the other distro is like)
He also mentioned Cachy as a viable option for Steve alongside Baszzite, with the caveats on both. I’m glad Steve decided on Bazzite. I’m a Cachy OS user myself, but I still like Bazzite for the purpose Steve needs it for. I think it’ll be great and I hope he succeeds, genuinely
I ran Arch for about a year and a half. It’s great, you get the freedom to do anything you want provided you have the time and will to learn. Bazzite is the exact opposite: you can’t do everything you might want, but you don’t need to learn anything, you can carelessly play around in the little playground they setup for you.
I use Bazzite on my 2 desktop PCs, Aurora on my work laptop booting from an external 1tb nvme ssd via an usb-C m2 caddy.
It’s pure bliss. I freaking love it. If Ublue ever disappears I’m fucked.
100%. I run Cachy on my main PC, Bazzite on my son’s steam gaming console and tow laptops. It IS pure bliss.
This should be a rule anyway, no shitting on people’s preffered distros!
It should, but few of us follow, unfortunately. :/
I agree and I want someone to tell them about dx12 bug from nvidia and ray tracing perf on amd gpus(not sure about this one).
Honestly, see if they have forums and sign up to it. Create a post and let them know. I’m sure they’ll appreciate it
Yep totally
This is genuinely a new era in gaming, so exciting!
This is definitely something that has been coming for some time. Yes, I am a little surprised it has taken this long for a major channel know for hardware reviews for gamers to take this step… I would have thought that the popularity of the Steam Deck, and all of the handhelds that are now running Linux would have been a motivator.
But it seems that Steve is really seeing that there is more of a progression of people not wanting to go to Windows 11, and the issues surrounding Microsoft’s insistence on adding creepy features that no one asked for (like Recall) as the push they needed.
And I agree, Bazzite is probably one of the best choices that they could make. The immutability of the system will allow them to have consistent images that won’t change on them randomly. That is a definite requirement when dealing with this type of benchmarking.
Can we count the mainstream tech tubers in recent months that have done these Linux/Bazzite videos?
- As much as I hate ETA Prime, I think he was one of the first
- PewDiePie
- Toasty Bros
- J2C
- Dawid Does Tech
- Ctrl Alt Rees
- Digital Foundry
- Lon.TV
- Chris Titus
- LTT soon
Chris Titus
Having his name on one of the most popular windows debloater was just as based.
DankPods my beloved as well. He’s not very technical with software so it’s quite interesting to hear him talk about it.
What’s wrong with ETA Prime?
I assume it’s just that his channel mostly seems like advertisement for products. I like him enough, but I know what I’m getting if I watch one of his videos.
- Way too many videos
- Many of them redundant
- Frequency shows in the quality of his work
- Never says anything about where to buy products or how much they cost
- Clickbait central
I’m a little confused by some of the discussion. Surely the problems they’re talking about with variations in the test system also apply to windows. You result can be affected by:
- Which windows updates have been applied
- Which version of the drivers have been installed
- What other software is on the system
Linux is the same, but they seem to be more concerned about it. Can someone explain?
I think a big part of why they talked about it in the video is to explain their base assumptions for the test. They’ve discussed it with Windows enough that they don’t need to say those anymore, but the Linux tests are new.
In addition, they do need to change theur workflow simply because they can’t use the same software and scripts for Linux.
They’re also addressing the reputation that Linux has among Windows users, even if that reputation is outdated
Gamers nexus blocks updates on every test round. When they do update their test systems they block updates and retest all hardware in their charts. The software is also the same, besides platform or driver specific software. They truly go for reproducible and as less unknown factors as possible, hence the discussion
Yes, if anything it seems easier to handle on linux. Just bake golden images that already have a static list of required packages.
I’m a little surprised that they are planning on testing downstream distros like bazzite. It would make more sense to just stick to the biggest upstream distros like Arch/Debian/Fedora for benchmark purposes in my opinion.
I disagree. Keep in mind that most people seeing the benchmarks will be windows users, and seeing Bazzite’s gaming performance along with it’s reputation for simplicity to set up and may help convince them to switch. Plus, anyone that had experience with Linux will know the link between it and Fedora, and can adjust expectations for theur particular distro
As someone using bazzite, it just works out of the box and I think that’s exactly what a lot of the windows uses are looking for.
Indeed. Took me 20min from starting install to having my first game on Steam. Best experience ever. Never looked back.
I used to run Ubuntu, but i am totally hooked on the immutable thing that they are doing.
I disagree sort of. I find it hard to believe a new distro is easier to set up than mint or Ubuntu and when it comes time to troubleshoot, youll get less support than the upstreams. Both searching existing posts and making new posts there will be less answers. Unless you make a search fo the upstream, and then there’s a chance your distro tweaked something and it’s different.
What also makes me sus is that if influencers are promoting lesser-known distros, it might be paid. Which is fine but could mean plans to monetize that distro in the future.
You may find it hard to believe but that doesnt mean you are right. Most ditros are quite easy to set up. Ubuntu and Mint are both already modified Debian. Why not some other modified one? A distro modified to game is already set up for gaming.
I’ve been using linux since the late 90s. I’ve tried all major distributions. My gaming rig runs bazzite, and nothing else comes even close in out-of-the box experience.
You could try it, it might change your mind. It did for me, I switched after a decade on Fedora.
I disagree sort of. I find it hard to believe a new distro is easier to set up than mint or Ubuntu
Mint is easier to setup than Ubuntu, and not only it’s newer, it’s based on Ubuntu. Ubuntu also is easier to setup than Debian even though it’s newer and based on it. Being a new distro has nothing to do with being easy to setup.
Bazzite is special because it’s an immutable distro, so it’s highly unlikely you’ll break stuff by poking around.
What also makes me sus is that if influencers are promoting lesser-known distros, it might be paid. Which is fine but could mean plans to monetize that distro in the future.
As opposed to Cannonical, which has been making slow pushes over the years to control Linux via Snaps?
Second!
They’re aiming for “something the viewer can achieve themselves”.
99% of ex-Windows users won’t be going for Arch, Debian or Fedora. It’s supposed to be easy to get in, difficult to screw up.
And it’s a channel aimed at gamers. Seeing Wendell serving as advisor gives me hope that they can get good results and i agree with the choice of distro
Bazzite would make it very easy to reproduce the same result. Just pull the exact version they used, set Proton and you’re done
If it works and helps bringing new people over to Linux, why not?
cough cough
cachyos
Is this the new “Arch BTW”?
but in this case, actually, I proposed it bc i’ve seen synthetic tests that compared this distro to others, and it yielded interesting results, so i actually wonder about what the results would be in the gaming context, as the testing specific varies greatly.
in other words
I’M THE NERDEST NERD, AND THOSE NERDS AREN’T NERDING THEIR NERDY STUFF ENOUGH
or… something like that
i guess it’s my new version of archbtw
i just find this distro to be genuinely worth everybody’s try, as it’s easy to set up, and it comes with custom-built packages (they mostly just add some comptime flags), that favor optimisation for the modern hardware over backward compatibility.
Honestly, it’s about damn time.
These technical people should be ashamed it took them so long to adopt Linux.
This literally doubles (if not more) the workload to run these benchmarks, not to mention having to write new automation procedures and Steve just not being familiar with Linux at all, all for 2-3% (tops) of his audience.
Be glad that he is doing them in the future and don’t be a demanding, entitled prick.
and Steve just not being familiar with Linux at all
Yeah, that’s the problem. Just like with LinusTechTips, these youtubers aren’t half as knowledgeable as they’d like their audiences to believe.
They should be ashamed, and you should stop being being a simp.
entitled prick.
Grow the fuck up.
You either don’t watch Gamers Nexus videos or you watch them and genuinely don’t understand enough to know how in-depth his tests go.
LTT is garbage “entertainment” though. I’ll agree with that.
Let’s put that in a way that isn’t so off putting. It’s the duty of those in the know help those who are not when possible.
No it’s not. There is no duty to anyone. Go to a library or book store and read what you want to learn.
I do not want to live in such a world. Helping others, especially when it is at little to no cost to you should be common sense to everyone.
I will strive towards making the world such a place, and I implore everyone, including you, to make the world a better place for everyone - including you.
Helping others learn when they are not willing to google, read, visit a library, etc, is called enabling, not helping. Helping those that try and get stuck is helping.
Learn the difference.
If what you’ve chosen to learn could help someone right in front of you, and they’re asking for help, you do not feel compelled to help them? I doubt that.
Depends on the topic. If enlightening them means I am enabling them to harm themselves, then no. Helping people waste time gaming and draw even more Steam users and their Windows crapware games towards tainting the purity of Linux is harming them and Linux, so no. No helping that.
There are big issues with the modern video games industry. Like a lot of software they deny user’s computing freedoms, and as such facilitate designs to repeatedly make money using psychology tricks. However, to reject video games as a waste of time goes to show how one can not know what they’re missing.
Video games are a peak of higher-functioning life: play. A structured form of play which can go beyond physical games. Life is poorer without the immergent stories of a fantasy world (Dwarf Fortress) or competing in a consequence-free violence of street-fighting (Street Fighter).
Sometimes you gotta be realistic that the majority of the population wouldn’t have found Linux as friendly as many here are, even today, while Windows or is/was kinda the obvious mainstream choice for running any software… The balance seems to tip slowly, but honestly it took decades.
Even today you’re still all debating which distro that didn’t exist 10 years ago is the best, and which office suite can match Microsoft’s… How am I going to convince my non-nerd friends to use Linux over Windows in that context.
About gaming, it’s a matter of being able to run AAA games without issues, like, no bugs and anti-cheat problems. It’s only since SteamOS that it is getting enough programmers and mainstream attention.
This is the way, but once again it required the power of a dominant company to move the lines.
Nice.
Very much so looking forward to seeing rigorous benchmarks of GPUs on linux.
Thid is great, from English speaking channels I only know AncientGameplays doing linux benchmark comparisons to Windows on gaming. *Spoilers: If you use AMD you’re not leaving performance on the table, if you’re team green… it’s a work in progress.
RT is currently still shit on Linux, but I don’t use it anyway.
Since my main rig is still stuck on Nvidia GPUs for the time being I’m still stuck on Windows. 30% performance reduction will lead to less than 60 FPS experience on my end.
But on my Ally handheld, I’ve been hopping between Bazzite, SteamOS, and CachyOS.
That’s great! Love to see more GN and Lvl1 collabs!
I just ordered a new GPU. I’m going to build a PC for the first time and put bazzite on it. I’m excited.
good luck!
Thank you!
I heard Linux can turn a person into a transvestite… so… I dont want to go down that path.
