It seems to be a pitfall of the thinking “it can’t happen here.”
Lol, many, many people knew that fascism would come from within and warned as such. Coincidentally, Sinclair Lewis wrote a book titled “It Can’t Happen Here” in 1935 about how a fascist would come to power in America. It’s been a while since I read it, but I recall it having some eerily similar parallels to Trump’s rise to power.
Came to say this. I recall especially the books private, paramilitary “marching clubs” being turned into law enforcement, which feels a lot like how the Proud Boys and 3% have fallen out of the media at the same time as ICE has co-opted their tactics.
“We’ll have fascism in [America], but we’ll call it anti-fascism” - Huey Long
The whole of US political commentary 1935-1939 feels very relevant today.
“We’ll have fascism in [America], but we’ll call it anti-fascism” - Huey Long
The fascists declared antifa enemies, so I guess we won’t?
Maybe we should use a similar playbook but inversely to defeat fascism from within.
Yeah, precisely, a lot of successfully propigandized people believed American Exceptionalism grants a 100% nullification to internal Fascist corruption…
But, uh, more clever or curious or historically interested people have long known that… thats not true at all, lol.
Which, of course, is why the Republicans have been, for at least 40 years, had as a consistent plank of their policy and rhetoric be… public education should be defunded and destroyed.
Turns out, being uneducated actually grants a +100% bonus critical weakness to all kinds of propoganda.
I haven’t read it but I will, eventually. But I must ask, I wonder though if George Lucas read the book and drew inspiration from it? Even some of the themes on how the republic fell and rise of the empire has kinda happened in real life. The toxic masculinity and alienation has real life parallel contributing to the decline of democracy, aside from the more obvious such as institutional corruption, wealth inequality and complacency. I also think Lucas was inspired from Hannah Arendt’s book, Origins of Totalitarianism, where she concluded that loneliness is precursor to totalitarianism. Anakin’s downfall is because he is lonely and alienated, and essentially told to “suck it up”. There is parallel to his experience and those in real life who have turned to the far right/dark side.
Lucas actually has directly stated that the original Star Wars trilogy was to some extent based off of the Vietnamese resistance to Western Imperialism.
“We’re fighting the largest empire in the world, and we’re just a bunch of hay seeds in coonskin hats that don’t know nothing,” he says, referencing the American Revolution against the British Empire, and how he based the heroes of Star Wars on real-life rebellions against powerful empires.
Lucas and Cameron discuss how during the Vietnam War, America became “the Empire.”
“The irony is that, in both of those, the little guys won. The highly technical empire – the English Empire, the American Empire – lost. That was the whole point,” Lucas says.
Another part of this same discussion with James Cameron, from another article:
https://www.cbr.com/george-lucas-vietnam-war-star-wars-inspiration/
Cameron pointed out how the Rebels are a small group using asymmetric warfare against a highly organized Empire. Today, Cameron added, the Rebels would be called terrorists. “When I did it,” Lucas replied, “they were Viet Cong.” In other words, Lucas viewed the Vietnamese as the rebels and America as the invading villains.
He further explained that Star Wars was a “vessel” in which to place his worldview that the United States had become an empire during the Vietnam War, doomed to fail like every empire before it.
Its uh, honestly rather obvious, but uh, right wingers consistently fail at basic media literacy, so … ?
I’m talking about the Star Wars prequels. George Lucas touched upon alienation and loneliness, which is what Anakin was feeling and then exploited by Palpatine. It is starkly prescient and parallel to real life.
“when fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross” - Sinclair Lewis
Fricken spot on. I say this quote a lot when I see what’s happening.
Especially because there’s a gun store near me and their logo is the American flag hanging on the cross. Not joking.
As a German, on the contrary, it was blindingly obvious. Starting with your massive(ly overblown) patriotism. No insult intended.
Yeah, as an Australian, when I learnt as a teen that they do the “pledge of allegiance” everyday in school, I kind of wondered how easy it would be to hijack that into something evil.
They slipped “God” into it in the 1950s. So probably a sizable factor in why we have Christian nationalists now
I remember doing it in elementary school, but not later on. I can say that as a kid it doesn’t mean shit. It’s just an annoying chore you have to do to start the day.
No offense, but Americans were (or still are) literally the only ones oblivious to this. Fascism in the USA did not start with Trump’s second term. It did not start with his first term either. This has been progressing practically ever since the declaration of independence.
Most at least slightly educated people saw this clearly decades ago. Most weren’t saying anything, because we had bigger problems.
The main issues here consist of:
- lack of an at least semi-functional education system
- ubiquitous propaganda
Nothing about the current state of the USA is surprising whatsoever to most people who weren’t born there. Americans have been exploited and manipulated for generations, and this is the effect. As pointed out by other commenters, there are countless books, essays and works of fiction discussing this phenomenon.
Right-wing politicians are also on the rise everywhere else. So while Murica is cranking fascism up to 11 like they do with everything else, it’s not isolated to here.
Canada is right behind you, fucking embarrassing. If we don’t elect a fascist piss baby next election I’d be very surprised.
From my perspective, right-leaning politicians aren’t necessarily a problem by themselves. It’s good to have a mix of various opinions and backgrounds. The problem is that ‘right-wing’ in the year 2025 is almost always just fascism. It’s like every single person associating with the right is extreme right and never anywhere in the middle.
Nobody thought? Carl Sagan did. Many did.
It always comes from within. Those who thought it is an external thread kinda had their head in the sand.
I did have an argument in my head that it always comes from within, although that’s not exactly the case with countries invaded by fascists before and their governments installed with puppet fascist counterparts.
What the fuck are you talking about. Hunter S. Thompson wrote about it, Punk rock has spoke about it since it’s inception, I’ve been worried about the fascist threat since I became politically aware during the end of Bush 2 saying we’re just waiting for a Caesar.
“Coming of age in a fascist police state will not be a barrel of fun for anybody, much less for people like me, who are not inclined to suffer Nazis gladly and feel only contempt for the cowardly flag-suckers who would gladly give up their outdated freedom to live for the mess of pottage they have been conned into believing will be freedom from fear.
Ho ho ho. Let’s not get carried away here. Freedom was yesterday in this country. Its value has been discounted. The only freedom we truly crave today is freedom from Dumbness. Nothing else matters.
Hunter S. Thompson
“Germany lost the second World War, fascism won it.” - George Carlin
So, you’re telling me 'Murica, the place known for:
- putting money above EVERYTHING
- exploiting half of the world’s countries
- supporting coups and bloody dictatorships
- invading countries using shitty excuses when the real reason is money
- never hunting down its own extremist “good” terrorists like the kkk
- school shootings
- exporting their propaganda to all aligned countries
- being super xenophobic
- being a fucking chicken because “muh freeze peach!” when it comes to glorification of nazi ideals
Wasn’t expecting fascism to grow from within???
But we’re the good guys. :(
Anyone thinking “it can’t happen here,” wasn’t paying attention in history class. It has always been a part of us from the very start.
In fact America was founded on the genocide of natives. The founding fathers were such hypocrites, preaching about freedom while owning slaves
Lol.
LMAO, even.
This particular downslope has been around for 20+ years, and it’s been arguably more like 50 years.
Hell, the only reason we have the small amount of gun control we do is because Regan was afraid of black people owning guns.
Fascism has been festering for a long time, most people only notice now because it’s finally affecting them.
…… you quote “it can’t happen here” without realizing that the phrase itself is satirical and that so so many people already saw the trajectory ages before now and that nationalistic propaganda is abundant in mass media. It’s no shock to anyone who has ever tried paying attention or thinking critically about the implications of common ideologies.
People were calling George Dubya a Nazi. Reagan’s entire economic plan was “make the rich richer because they’ll give poor people money.”
The fact of the matter is, most Americans have been propagandized into thinking communism is the greatest threat they face. Fascism isn’t even on their radar. That’s why they get more upset about people calling others fascists than they do about fascists - they don’t have any concept of the legitimate threat, and quite a few think that authoritative power is the only thing that can fix society.
I told my mom in 2021 that I thought the next major threat the US will face is from right wing groups, because I was seeing a sharp rise in alt-right ideology and meme pages on Instagram. She just looked at me like I was crazy and said, “Really?”
It also took me way too long to wake up. I didn’t start calling it fascism until last year, and I certainly didn’t see the warning signs in the first Trump term - I just thought he was an asshole.
But it’s been going on for a while. Since Reagan at least. “Give your people bread and circuses, and they will never revolt.” Except now we have ultrabread delivered to your home and megacircuses in every living room. 70s-90s America, especially, were kind of a paradise for the middle class. Even in the 80s, when people were upset at having to work corporate jobs, consumer products were being cranked out nonstop and affordable to boot, and you could own a house. We’ve just had it too good for too long, and we didn’t notice the structure of it all eroding until the floor fell out from under us.
The Handmaid’s Tale depicts fascism rising from within America
Hell Hitler and his crew got a lot of his ideas from America at that time. Plenty of our rich elite supported it to. Including Ford.
Hell Hitler?
Adolph’s cousin, who was a big proponent of raw fruit diets.
He hated juice.
I think plenty of media actually depicted that. Watchmen the tv show is a clear example. I also think Captain American Winter Soldier have that topic.
Those are some recent popular ones, surely there are more.
Star Wars the prequels sort of dealt with the subject, although it framed the fascist leader as an exceptionally skilled statesman puppeteering behind the scenes and not the reactionary populist personality cults they usually are.
