I mean, clearly the system is broken. Putting another dipshit in charge doesn’t even seem like a bandaid, even if it is a Democrat. Like, what, I’m supposed to believe Gavin fucking Newsom or whoever the fuck is going to right the ship and establish checks and balances?
Congratulations, Project 2025’s goal of eroding trust in government institutions worked on you!
Like, you do realize that not having this shit would just give the corporations even more free reign, right? Don’t start that shit about “but they’re so bad already!” yes they are, but it is always possible for them to get worse.
We aren’t going to just magically stumble into a working system by removing one singular piece of the broken puzzle. Or even by removing all the pieces with no further plan. Proper, good change takes a shit ton of planning and hard work, not just venting frustration or posting “hot takes” online.
Change requires revolution, not just electing dems forever as the system fails.
Revolution is extremely painful and I’m not sure anyone is up for that regardless of how much it is needed.
We should focus our efforts on getting inside the Dem party and taking over from within. Which takes time and effort. The capitalists did it to the GOP through MAGA finally after decades of effort. Unfortunately a lot of people think their only civic duty is to vote once every four years.
Revolution is less painful than the misery of the system pre-revolution, that’s historically when revolution happens.
What you’re describing, ie using entryism on the DNC, is impossible. The DNC is a capitalist party that only has the power it does because it is thoroughly subservient to capital, and skilled at getting rid of any radical elements. The capitalists already have both the GOP and DNC, always have and always will.
We need our own, working class orgs, like PSL or FRSO.
Only solution:
“Revolution, the only solution!”
You mean violent overthrow of the existing system and establishment of a totalitarian empire? That’s sure going to help.
No, the violent overthrow of the totalitarian empire and the replacement with a socialist system that brought massive improvements in quality of life, democratization of the economy, rapid industrialization, huge increases in equality of men and women, free and high quality healthcare and education, full employment, cheap or free housing, a doubling of life expectancy and a tripling of literacy rates to over 99.9%, and more.
If you disregard some minor hiccups, like the civil war, the multiple colonial wars, the famines, the purges, the gulag and other such trivialities.
The civil war, where the Tsarist regime tried their best to destroy the popular revolution and reinstate their old monarchist system? Where western countries like the US, UK, France, etc invaded to try to crush the fledgling socialist system?
What colonial wars? The USSR had no colonies.
The famines, which outside of World War II when the Nazis deliberately attacked their farms, and outside of the 1930s, which had famine induced by weather disaster and magnified by privledged capitalist farmers called “kulaks” destroying their livestock and grain to prevent collectivization? The famines that were common under the Tsar, but ended under the soviets?
The purging of fascists, opportunists, and criminals from the party in a widespread anti-corruption campaign supported by the people?
The prisons, which every country has?
I don’t follow your point, it seems to just be word salad trying to list off a bunch of buzzwords with no actual point behind any of them.
My country also has prisons, but they dont use the prisoners for forced labour
That wasn’t something all prisons in the Soviet Union did, many soviet prisons were actually more humane than their peers and had visitations or even the ability to leave on certain days. The idea of the brutal forced labor camp being the only form of soviet prison, as though the minority of prisons was the majority, is an example of how the Red Scare took kernals of truth and distorted them heavily.
Moreover, assuming you’re from Germany based on your instance, your country absolutely had far worse forced labor camps, that was a major feature of the Holocaust. The Soviet Union also had prison reform as well, so I really don’t know what your point is.
Are you from USAmerica? If yes, you do.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
If not, are they in this list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_labour#By_country
The famines, which outside of World War II when the Nazis deliberately attacked their farms, and outside of the 1930s, which had famine induced by weather disaster and magnified by privledged capitalist farmers called “kulaks” destroying their livestock and grain to prevent collectivization?
You’re really looking at this through red-tinted glasses. It’s ok to admit that there were also serious missteps by Stalin that magnified the extent of this famine, and that it was intentionally made worse for some ethnic minorities.
Are you seriously thinking this is how revolution in the US would go?
That’s how the soviet union’s revolution went. The US Empire isn’t a semi-feudal backwater, it will have a far different course, plus it won’t likely be invaded by neighboring capitalist countries as by the time of a revolution in the US the entire imperialist west will have been too weakened to do anything to stop it.
Oh, probably not. Might as well let Trump remain a dictator for life. </tr>
So true bestie, the only options are Trump being president forever or electing a spineless useless democrat for 4 years who will gladly hand over the reins to a lifetime dictatorship of Tucker Carlson or Charlie Kirk’s Ghost As Interpreted By ChatGPT or whatever the fuck. I can’t think of anything else we could possibly do.
I mean, they’re already trying to make him one lol. Or be replaced by another ‘charismatic’ conservative, like Tucker.
If the dems can somehow grow that spine or move left to their actual base, then maybe… but until then, good luck USA.
We need revolution. Revolution requires worker organizing. It isn’t easy, nor is it impossible, it’s just hard work, and is necessary. Get organized!
You’re probably right that fundamental change is needed. But you should still think about under which president those changes are easier to achieve. Hint: It’s probably not the one who’s perfectly willing to send the military after his political enemies. Also remember that if you don’t elect another president, everybody else still will. The system won’t improve by you not participating in it.
Both parties send the millitary against leftists, though. Both participated in the Red Scare, both oppress worker organizations.
If you really can’t see any difference in the methods employed and the scale of repression between the recent (!) democrat and republican governments, I don’t know what to tell you. Bringing up events from 50+ years ago like the red scare seems quite irrelevant.
That’s more a consequence of the stage in capitalist decay we are in than which party is in power. Both parties stand firmly against leftists and firmly for imperialism.
So you think with Harris in power in 2025, there would also be unidentified policemen roaming the streets, disappearing non-white people into unmarked vans? There would still be military deployed to cities across the US due to a fictional crime wave? Universities would still be denied funding for refusing to discriminate based on race or gender? I don’t think so.
There’s a good chance, yes, genuinely. Harris deliberately ran to the right of Biden, when Biden himself was already right-wing.
I just have a sense of morbid curiosity about 2028. How little will democrats have learned from the past decade? How can they possibly fail in a more embarrassing way than 2024 or install a more embarrassing person than 2020?
This is liberalism’s moment to really eat ass+hair.
