She says a lot more but my eye rolling made me stop reading after the first five sentences
https://xcancel.com/ImBreckWorsham/status/1986436503988297774#m
She says a lot more but my eye rolling made me stop reading after the first five sentences
https://xcancel.com/ImBreckWorsham/status/1986436503988297774#m
The reason why history closed the chapter of tankies pretty firmly in the 20th century is because it became apparent to people all over the world that the revolution is fueled by hateful, spiteful, and ignorant individuals like you who seek vengeance, destruction, and misery under the guise of dreamy ideals. In other words you and Trump aren’t too different in this regard.
I do not seek vengeance, but that does not mean forgiveness.
We must build a better world without their input or consent. we must have a world where everyone is free and have access to a dignified life. But that does not mean to forgive them let alone forget what they did. They should have access to the same lives everyone else have access to, but they will do so without friends, without family, with everyone spiting them. They have proven themselves to be selfish sociopaths, and even if you were to be foolish enough to forgive them, you should not forget that they are selfish and will likely throw you to the wolves if it benefits them.
This is for the average MAGA voter. for those who joined ICE, or were Pundits, or directly involved in the regime. Jail. Do you think we should have pardoned everyone in the Nuremberg trials?
This level of ignorance just proves my original point. The Nuremberg trials are as famous as they are because they intentionally went out of their way to only prosecute specific leaders and individuals who were responsible for Nazi war crimes. The original Nuremberg trial only prosecuted 24 individuals, and the broader series of trials prosecuted less than 200 individuals. Despite all these individuals having some connection to the Nazis, all of them were given fair trails and some of them were even acquitted.
The single biggest takeaway from these trials is that you can’t persecute a society. As these trails proved, even among the ranks of the leaders, not all of them were convicted. If you were to go after the common man just for participating in their society then that’s not only guilt by association, but it’s also collective punishment… which is the very thing that made the Nazis bad in the first place.This is of course, one of the most extreme examples in history, we don’t live in a time or society that’s as extreme. As vile and damaging as Trump and MAGA are, unironically thinking they’re the same as the Nazis is dangerously ignorant.
Even if, for the sake of argument, we become generous and assume the same general premise for them anyway, then these very trials that you cited go against everything you’re advocating for. If there were similar trials, you would go after individuals like Trump himself, Kevin Roberts, or JD Vance… you don’t go after random people because they supported them at one point or another. Keep in mind, Trump voters aren’t a few individuals, they’re demographic that consists of tens of millions. These people are society. There’s no future where what you’re advocating for turns out to be a net positive. What you’re wishing for is breeding ground for a revolution, and it’s not going to be one you daydream about, it’s going to be one led by them for them.
where did I say to punish her? I’m only saying shes not to be trusted, and we shouldn’t work with her.
the entitlement, which you share,
“not inviting me unconditionally after I intentionally destroyed the country is a cruel punishment”
yhea,
What the hell are you even talking about? You can’t even follow your own statements. It’s like you’re mentally lost. This is what you originally said:
This clearly an implicit statement of vengeance. You’re definitely some sort of Marxist, and you think that when the revolution comes, people like her should be killed or at the very least be punished for the crime of participating in their society.
You could’ve been honest and owned up to it, but you chose to deny it and follow it up with this weird backpedaling take:
This is still clearly punitive in nature because your primary goal isn’t to make things better, but rather to make sure that they pay a price as a punishment. Which again is an act of vengeance.
I could’ve almost led this slide as some misguided view about not forgetting history or something along those lines, but you chose to add this at the end:
Really? This is the event you wanted to cite here? Not only does this demonstrate your astounding ignorance of these trails, what happened in them, and what the takeaways are, but it also shows that you’re seeking a form of collective punishment using guilt by association as the justification… which is precisely the opposite of what these trials hoped to achieve.
Now, once again, you’re denying previous statement and giving yet another weird backpedaling take:
Which takes us back to square one you can’t seem to comprehend the fact acceptance and vengeance aren’t opposites of each other. An actual pragmatic take would be that is simply idiotic to try to collectively punish a huge demographic like this, especially on the grounds of guilt by association, for the crime of them participating in their society within the context of their system. It is better from a strategic point of view to firmly acknowledge their mistakes while being open to cooperating with those who reach the same conclusion. Those who have disavowed their previous beliefs provide a strategic opportunity to create a coalition that gets to advance an agenda ends MAGA fascism and implements better policies faster.
Even if we don’t see eye to eye with these people on everything, it’s better to recognize that disagreements are a fact of politics and that it’s better to utilize this common ground to achieve common goals wherever possible, as opposed to not achieving them at all due to stubbornness. This is an infinitely better option than to seek eternal retribution or hold eternal grudges. Holding this view doesn’t mean that you endorse MAGA ideology or that you forget everything that happened, it just means that you’re practical in your aims. This view is the ONLY view of people who believe in democracy as a system of governance. Rejection of it for something more rigid, absolute, and violent just means that you’re an authoritarian.
TIL not wanting to collaborate with MAGA is oppressing someone.