Honestly that’s a pretty good theory. I don’t know ketamine but something very clearly abnormal is going on there.

My God dude, watching his mannerisms is physically painful.

You don’t know very much about the history of the FBI do you

After the fallout from Watergate it actually kind of did become an actual law enforcement agency for a while, but that’s not the norm

I have trans people in my family. I have a special burning hatred tonight for all the people who were lecturing me before the election about how Biden Kamala Harris “hadn’t earned your vote” or whatever horseshit, and especially for the LBGTQ person who was telling me specifically how I couldn’t understand how important it was for her not to vote for Biden because of trans issues. I told you fucking morons this was going to happen.

Historically, some of the moderation on slrpnk has been super extra. They seemed like they were sort of verging into “only one set of opinions is allowed” territory similar to lemmy.ml, where instead of disagreeing with someone, they would just ban them and aggressively claim they had every right to because in their opinion the person is wrong and only agreeable opinions are allowed.

Looking at the modlog it doesn’t really seem like it has happened at all in the recent past in the climate community. I remember some bullshit happening, and you could definitely say that 5 months ago they shouldn’t have removed a comment saying agriculture is the leading cause of climate change. They could, instead of that, have just disagreed and explained why in a reply, that would have been better for all parties concerned. You could definitely say that it was bullshit handing out a temp ban because someone else objected to removing the content in the same way I just did.

But, also, it was 5 months ago. One weird moderation decision every 5 months is way ahead of the curve for Lemmy. All the current stuff that I see is just normal moderation.

I sort of suspect that there are people on Lemmy who specialize in ginning up weird inter-instance drama, who also tend to latch onto particular tribal identities like veganism/vegetarianism, and they tend to take genuine issues and spin them up into massive problems that people need to “pick sides” one or the other on, and the whole thing just kind of becomes more combative and friction filled day to day as a result.

No idea whether that’s what is happening here with climate_lm. I do sort of agree with needing better moderation than some of the slrpnk communities, but IDK why you would make a grandstanding alternate community right on the exact same server. Just use some other climate community, there are already some. But anyway, TL;DR, nothing in the recent past got moderated that I can see, I think this is sort of a nothingburger.

This is vital context. They didn’t disable his truck because he talked trash about it. He loves his Cybertruck. They disabled it because he’s black and dances around like a black person while he’s talking about it, and that means he’s not welcome at the party. If he was Tim Pool making a song about how much he loves his Cybertruck they’d have invited him to the next event to put it on stage.

Plenty of people have died in ICE custody since this started. If you hear from people who have visited and seen the conditions, it’s pretty clear why. The camps in Germany were the same: A lot of the deaths weren’t “on purpose” but just the natural outcome of conditions so harsh that they can’t sustain the basic functions that are necessary for life.

The camps were already running in 1939, probably some people had died “not on purpose” by then. Gerhard Kretschmar was just notable because he was the first one “on purpose.”

Going after disabled and mentally ill people was actually the first step for the Nazis, long before anyone was talking about death camps for particular ethnicities or sexual orientations. A disabled child, in July 1939, was arguably the first person deliberately killed in an organized and “legal” fashion during what would eventually mutate and grow, and become the holocaust.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4

No matter how unjust it’s been, the only imaginable way out is to somehow let him “save face" what ever that means in this situation.

It is literally a cliche of geopolitics for the mighty empire to continue the senseless and horrific war against some small country that’s effectively defending itself, year after year, because of this logic. But then in the end to reluctantly agree to the “unimaginable” way out (saving face with some kind of explanation that literally no one believes), because at the end of the day, the simple physics of the situation will allow nothing else.

I more or less agree with you about Putin’s logic and mindset actually. My overall point is there is more than one country and leader in the world that can be stubborn. The defenders are often more stubborn, at the end of the day, it turns out (to the shock and confusion of the attackers who thought they had a monopoly.)

That too. That’s the reason he’s now moving to homeless people. The thinking is that not many people will stand up for them. And you know what? He’s probably right.

It’s a lot more sinister than that.

He started with the immigrants, because there was a tenuous theory under which his personal police force was allowed to fuck them up and do whatever they want. Some little speedbumps aside, that worked out okay, no one stopped it. Now he’s talking about federalizing the police force in one particular place, and moving on to the next target, who are citizens, American people, and where there’s not even that vague theory that he’s got a right to be throwing them in detention and letting them die of the natural conditions there.

If no one stops that, then it moves on to the next group.

So what they’ve done in Ukraine is completely unjustified? In your opinion?

This is just bait lol

Get a room you two

Sure, it would be nice if Russia simply left Ukraine, but put yourself in Putin’s position - it’s a complete non-solution. You don’t fold after going all in. It’s an incredibly naive thing to say

This is exactly the kind of logic someone would use to justify either of the examples I brought up. Exactly.

The fact that he really doesn’t want to stop killing innocent people, and so he would have to pay the “cost” of doing something he doesn’t want to do, isn’t a justification. I would actually really like for him to be arrested on that ICC warrant and try to explain this exactly logic at the Hague. I think it would be great. I would support him using that defense, I think it would be wonderful to see. People could decide whether to accept the logic, and then whether to hang him or not depending on whether they bought into it as a good reason for continuing to kill innocent people on an industrial scale.

Someone who supports modern Russia or the modern CCP is not “left leaning” in any sense which makes sense to me.

Maybe it’s not real productive to have an extensive debate about labels, but the exact reason I dislike these people is because they’re doing so much legwork for horrific right-leaning regimes. If they also have some left-wing views, then great, but it doesn’t really excuse their support for de facto fascism in my view.

Yeah, I get it. You’re not wrong.

No, it’s on par with telling someone “Well, you shouldn’t keep driving drunk then” or “You should 100% stop contacting her and move on if she keeps instantly blocking you on every new platform you try on.” Certain actions really are under voluntary control. We’re not telling Russia they really need to shape up that GDP if they want the world to take them seriously. We’re asking them to stop deciding to kill innocent people. Seems legit. The obstacle is that they really want to, and they’re reluctant to stop.

(The analogy is flawed because there’s no real equivalency between driving drunk and maybe rolling the dice on killing one family, and yourself, versus doing it to members of a million families. But the simplicity of the solution is the same.)

Holy shit

I’m not watching this entire thing, but it’s bad. I watched some sections and holy shit.

The first random thing I happened upon was Hasan talking about trans issues, overtalking someone from the chat who disagreed with him and demanded evidence which was literally open on his screen at the time, called them transphobic (?), then banned a trans person who chimed in to say that yes they agreed and Hasan was doing a bad job arguing for trans issues, and then spent extensive time berating them on stream, wishing bad things on them in the future…

I honestly can’t even do it justice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdCFycPw3fI&t=575s

Holy crap man. I generally sort of discount people trying to find reasons to nitpick some leftist voice, because pretty much everyone has some kind of imperfection and whatever, it’s fine, we don’t need to constantly be shedding allies because fuck anyone who ever did something allegedly etc etc whatever. Anyone can have a bad day if they’re on streams a ton of the time… but this is bad. And it makes me not surprised at all if he has the same type of super-confident wrong take on geopolitical issues.

Edit: Also, by far the saddest thing is the nonstop scroll of people cheering him on and celebrating this person getting banned, just whizzing by in the chat. Shit is fucked. Our society is in a bad state.

Not really. The two have nothing to do with each other.

“The Chinese government shouldn’t have shot all those people in Tienanmen Square.” “Yeah, but you have to remember Western imperialism.”

“The Khmer Rouge shouldn’t have killed a quarter of their country’s population.” “Yeah, but you have to remember the Vietnam War.”

“Ireland shouldn’t have covered up for sex-abusing priests.” “Yeah, but you have to remember Protestant oppression of the Catholics…”

The whole premise is nonsense. I do know people from outside the US who took this attitude to Putin, I can think of specific ones of them that I talked with about Putin and they told me I was an ignorant American, more or less, and Ukraine’s not innocent and the US intentions in Ukraine are not good either. They thought it was hilarious that I was all heated up about Putin and (in their minds) not heated up about the US government doing more or less the exact same thing in their region of the world for the last several decades.

And then the 2022 invasion happened.

And as soon as it was apartment blocks and hospitals blowing up, power plants, shelling Chernobyl, kidnapping kids and taking them back to Russia, they all of a sudden got real fuckin’ quiet about Putin kind of being an admirable guy because, what the hell at least he’s trying to stand up to the US instead of getting fucked around by them or else making corrupt deals like everyone else. They weren’t stupid or naive about what a war like that meant, who was paying the horrifying price, or how much or how little it was doing to solve American imperialism anywhere else in the world. And so they were shocked and horrified, watching the scale of the suffering. They didn’t want to try to do little backflips to connect it to some kind of noble cause somewhere else that it was supposedly in service of.

Any other reaction, honestly to me, means you are at best some kind of sheltered and elitist person, some kind of person who feels like making excuses for innocent people dying because you want to cling to some pet theory. As the person in Hasan’s chat very succinctly alluded to, I would never make that kind of excuse on behalf of the US, or for Israel or any other horrifying state-power entity that’s doing awful things and spreading around propaganda about it. So why is Hasan doing it? That’s fuckin’ weird, don’t do that.

I don’t really have a problem with someone being a streamer or being successful. I was always kind of on the fence about Hasan (still am actually), I like him because he is a strong leftist voice and maybe I should not be nitpicking him here. This is the first really dumb thing I’ve heard him say.

I guess I see him, after seeing this, as similar to Joe Rogan for the left: He’s actually generally sensible, he has a very loyal audience who mostly lines up with his political leaning, but he talks about complex issues without really understanding them (or apparently even trying to), which makes him vulnerable to saying or promoting total bullshit by accident. Case in point…