• @MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world
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    3793 months ago

    If Harris was a leader she would be out there touring like AOC. Shes not a leader. She had her shot to prove otherwise and didn’t.

    • @jordanlund@lemmy.worldM
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      253 months ago

      If she were out there touring people would tell her to shut up and sit down. She had her shot, twice, nobody wants what she’s selling.

    • @batmaniam@lemmy.world
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      213 months ago

      Usual: If you voted 3rd party or didn’t vote, you signed off on our current reality.

      But you’re not wrong, and I have plenty to disagree with AOC about, but they’re all conversations for a better time; done and done.

      • @Bristingr@lemm.ee
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        213 months ago

        Nah, 3rd party voters at least voted. This solely lies on the folks who didn’t vote.

        • @agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
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          173 months ago

          If you voted 3rd party in a FPTP election, you are functionally indistinguishable from a non-voter. You can talk about your principles all you want, but by the mechanics of the electoral system you are exactly equivalent to a non-voter.

          • @TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip
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            243 months ago

            Yeah fuck people who help dems win local elections and ballot measures! Those things aren’t real! Everyone knows the house and senate don’t matter! And neither do state legislatures! Fuck those stupid things that don’t affect anyone, it’s all about voting for the guy you think is going to win, not the one you want! Or, idk whatever you dems go on about.

            Let’s keep attacking progressive voter base like the DNC wants! Let’s keep alienating them more! It will be a good idea THIS time! It worked so well that’s why 2016 was our best year! Way better than 2008 when we didn’t actively attack them! If we don’t ensure politics is voting against the one you hate most how will we keep all those non-voters at home, keep money in politics, and keep those oligarchs happy!

          • Exactly the opposite of reality. FPTP does not preclude third parties from winning, hence the existence of the republican party. It does mean you have to vote your principles and not strategically vote. If everyone voted for the party that most closely aligned with their principles, neither the Dems or repubs would ever wing the presidency and would never hold a majority in any Congress at any level.

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              3 months ago

              Incorrect. I can justify any number of results with such a monumental “if”. Any strategy based on such a large number of people suddenly changing their voting tendency in such a way is unworkable. As one party splinters, the other is heavily incentivized to stay together and easily win. It’s a game of chicken; the first party to break ranks is doomed. People understand this on an intuitive, tribalistic level. Fracturing the less monolithic party will only strengthen the more monolithic one. That is reality.

              Without organization sufficient to convince at least a third of the country that a specific party is viable, you cannot beat a strategic party with principles alone.

              • Hard disagree, as again, the republican party exists. It was a third party.

                Practically no one votes strategically. The vast majority of voters vote the same as their parents and/or peers. The extreme minority of voters that care about issues vote for whatever party of the two that suits them best at the time.

                But bigger than all these groups are the eligible voters that think nothing will change because people like you tell them they only have two options, so they don’t vote.

                Because neither option is good. There is Nazi, and there is the group that appoints nazis. Both exist solely for their own power and wealth. Neither help people until the riots get too violent. So why vote. Why care?

                So either we introduce a third party or more, and maybe give some hope, or we let the uniparty continue to win and we all have to survive a balkanized US when it collapses.

                • Without organization sufficient to convince at least a third of the country that a specific party is viable, you cannot beat a strategic party with principles alone.

                  • You quite literally don’t need that, you just need both large options to fail obviously, as they are. People will seek out alternatives and there will be enough that aren’t disillusioned with electoralism that go for that option.

                    You cant organize on a large scale in the US, you get assassinated if you survive the character assassination.

                    For example, I bet you still think stein is a Russian spy or spoiler candidate.

      • piefood
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        43 months ago

        Nope. I voted 3rd party because I didn’t want Trump, and I also didn’t want Harris. Maybe if Harris had tried campaining on what Americans wanted, rather than trying to win over people who were obviously not going to vote for her, we wouldn’t be here.

        But she chose genocide, money, and the Cheneys over winning an election against one of the least popular presidents we’ve ever had.

    • @aceshigh@lemmy.world
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      123 months ago

      Completely agree. It would have demonstrated that she would have been a good president and it would have sealed the deal for her (if there are legit elections). She didn’t step up. AOC did. Says a lot about each of them.

    • Like when she was up there giving her chatgpt, “make me sound inspirational” concession speech rather than just being mad as hell like the rest of us. She’s plays leader but she will sit in the manager cubical while the rest of us eat the company provided cold turkey in the break room the day before Thanksgiving.

    • Dr. Moose
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      3 months ago

      I can’t imagine thinking about “serving people” when majority of them turned out to be hateful idiots that frankly deserve getting their faces eaten by a leopard. Let her catch a break maybe?

      • piefood
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        63 months ago

        Nah, I’m not giving her a break. She handed the elction to Trump on a silver platter. It should have been a slam dunk election, but she chose genocide, money, and the Cheney’s over winning.

      • @ExtantHuman@lemm.ee
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        63 months ago

        The Dipshit didn’t even get the majority of people who did vote, let alone the country as a whole