• @chiliedogg@lemmy.world
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    Small gas-powered trucks are effectively illegal in the US.

    It’s regulation made in response to automakers calling everything a “light truck” to get around fuel economy and emissions standards in the 90s and 2000s.The straw that broke the camel’s back was the PT Cruiser being classified as a truck by Chrysler.

    So, starting in model year 2012, vehicle fuel economy standards started being based on vehicle footprint. The side effect was that small, powerful vehicles designed for moving cargo more efficiently or in tighter spaces than large trucks were impacted. It’s why 2011 was the last year model of the old Rangers, S10s, Dakota, etc.

    That’s why the new Rangers are larger than the old F150s. They have to make them bigger to meet CAFE standards.

    Same issue hit the small cargo vans in 2021/22. As the CAFE standards went up, it became impossible to meet fuel economy standards for the NV200, Ford Transit Connect, and Ram ProMaster City compact cargo vans, so they were all discontinued.

    New York City was changing its whole Taxi fleet to NV200s due to their flexibility and accessibility options, and now can’t buy new ones because a Toyota Camry has less-strict fuel economy requirements.

    • edric
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      1224 days ago

      What are the Maverick and Santa Cruz classified as? I think they fit the small or light truck category, if they are categorized as trucks at all.

      • @turmacar@lemmy.world
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        1324 days ago

        A Maverick is a light truck in much the same way a 737 is a small plane. Sure there are bigger ones, but it’s a 4 door truck with a 4 foot bed that’s high enough to make loading and unloading harder than it needs to be. It’s twice the weight and almost twice the size of a 70s/80s Toyota Pickup, which is a light truck.

          • ...m...
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            524 days ago

            …park a maverick next to a nineties ranger; the difference is ridiculous…

          • I own two mavericks, it’s a fair comparison. They only look small because of the size of today’s vehicles… in the 1980’s you’d see most of today’s lifted trucks in a monster truck rally.

            • @usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca
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              123 days ago

              Oh yes, that part is obvious. I was more curious where “twice the size” came from, especially if comparing a four-door truck to a two-door single cab which I’d argue isn’t a fair comparison. Although, they don’t make the maverick in a single cab do they?

      • Lka1988
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        224 days ago

        Light trucks, which means less CAFE regulation. Same classification as crossovers (why crossovers are so popular).

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          24 days ago

          That’s not accurate. “Light Truck” also includes a crew cab F150 with an extended bed that requires a Sherpa to enter. The Maverick and an F150 have the same standards, but weighted based on vehicle footprint.

          But the Maverick standard model is a hybrid, so it meets CAFE standards.

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      24 days ago

      That’s why the new Rangers are larger than the old F150s.

      If you’re comparing a crewcab Ranger to a 2-door F150, sure, but that’s not really a valid comparison.

      Comparing equivalent configs tells a different story: every crewcab F150 is taller, longer, and wider than a new crewcab Ranger. The 10th gen and earlier (pre-2004) F150s, which are shorter than 11th gen+ F150s, are still bigger when compared to the Ranger in equivalent configurations.