"The people stealing from Americans are not folks with tattoos and hoodies—it's people wearing suits and ties and congressional pins, sitting in this Capitol right now," said Rep. Maxwell Frost.
That’s oligarchy apologetics bullshit to keep us from changing the system. No need to make things more democratic if we’re blaming the majority of people.
That’s oligarchy apologetics bullshit to keep us from changing the system.
Or, you know, I’m being realistic about how things work in the real world. Or do you think that letting the fascists win is going to change the system for the better?
Whether or not you think its ‘oligarchy apologetics bullshit’, 2/3 of voting the population either explicitly or tacitly supported this shit. So yeah, I’m going to blame the majority for the outcome of a majority vote. Ignoring that fact is just going to make getting any meaningful change that much harder, and its hilarious to watch people justify their inaction in the face of the result of their choice.
How exactly does blaming your neighbors create meaningful change? I don’t care whether you think it’s right or wrong, I am asking how it actually helps improve the system.
How exactly does blaming your neighbors create meaningful change?
I don’t know, short of trying to show people the errors of their ways in tacitly supporting a fascist. But what other options do we have? Lie to them and say “it’s totally not your fault that trump was elected, even though you chose not to put forth the bare minimum effort to stop him”? I get that electoral politics isn’t enough (and we all need to be out in the streets doing what we can to resist), but I’m tired of pretending that the third of the country that’s checked out of politics isn’t also responsible for the people that get elected while they chose to abdicate their responsibility as a member of the voting public.
If this was your neighbors dog is shitting in your yard and not cleaning it up, would you blame the neighbor for their choice (leaving shit in your yard you have to deal with because they couldn’t be bothered to pick it up) and try to help them see the error of their ways, or would you ignore the shit entirely and hope they do better next time?
I don’t care whether you think it’s right or wrong, I am asking how it actually helps improve the system.
Turning your question around, how does ignoring the culpability of nonvoters in election outcomes improve the system? Do you think we’ll see an improvement in turnout if we ignore that republicans only win through voter suppression and don’t point out that encouraging not voting is one of their preferred strategies?
Increased participation is one of the best ways we can get out of this hole, and I’m really tired of people supposedly in my side constantly getting own goals with this kind of rhetoric.
Ah, sadly, no. That story was cut from the broadcast because we found a story about a dog that rides a motorcycle in Sioux City.
“Market research” by our corporate owners says that white collar crime doesn’t bring in the advertising dollars unless the victims are other wealthy people.
I said this a million times last year on the leftist threads to people crying about the lesser evil. I don’t wish any pain on their lives but I also don’t know how to get through their thick skulls how real life can get unless they experience it from time to time.
I’m not apathetic, I’m realistic. No one has moved that needle significantly in 100 years so talking about it like you’re going to make it happen seems like setting yourself up to fail. Work with what you have instead of wishing you could have more. That’s how progress is made.
This is what I call “what America literally voted for”.
*Won the popular vote but still a minority (<50%) voted for this.
That’s because 1/3 of voters tacitly support this shit by not voting.
That’s oligarchy apologetics bullshit to keep us from changing the system. No need to make things more democratic if we’re blaming the majority of people.
Or, you know, I’m being realistic about how things work in the real world. Or do you think that letting the fascists win is going to change the system for the better?
Whether or not you think its ‘oligarchy apologetics bullshit’, 2/3 of voting the population either explicitly or tacitly supported this shit. So yeah, I’m going to blame the majority for the outcome of a majority vote. Ignoring that fact is just going to make getting any meaningful change that much harder, and its hilarious to watch people justify their inaction in the face of the result of their choice.
How exactly does blaming your neighbors create meaningful change? I don’t care whether you think it’s right or wrong, I am asking how it actually helps improve the system.
How, exactly, does ignoring a majority of Americans allowing fascism to take hold create meaningful change?
I don’t know, short of trying to show people the errors of their ways in tacitly supporting a fascist. But what other options do we have? Lie to them and say “it’s totally not your fault that trump was elected, even though you chose not to put forth the bare minimum effort to stop him”? I get that electoral politics isn’t enough (and we all need to be out in the streets doing what we can to resist), but I’m tired of pretending that the third of the country that’s checked out of politics isn’t also responsible for the people that get elected while they chose to abdicate their responsibility as a member of the voting public.
If this was your neighbors dog is shitting in your yard and not cleaning it up, would you blame the neighbor for their choice (leaving shit in your yard you have to deal with because they couldn’t be bothered to pick it up) and try to help them see the error of their ways, or would you ignore the shit entirely and hope they do better next time?
Turning your question around, how does ignoring the culpability of nonvoters in election outcomes improve the system? Do you think we’ll see an improvement in turnout if we ignore that republicans only win through voter suppression and don’t point out that encouraging not voting is one of their preferred strategies?
Increased participation is one of the best ways we can get out of this hole, and I’m really tired of people supposedly in my side constantly getting own goals with this kind of rhetoric.
The fptp voting system and gerrymandering did a lot of heavy lifting.
Sorry – no one can hear how right you are, over the simple glee of blaming the working class for getting so disenfranchised.
Larceny this, mugging that… Can we talk about the greater reach of white collar crime a sec, r?
Ah, sadly, no. That story was cut from the broadcast because we found a story about a dog that rides a motorcycle in Sioux City.
“Market research” by our corporate owners says that white collar crime doesn’t bring in the advertising dollars unless the victims are other wealthy people.
“I’m not into politics. It doesn’t impact my life.”
I said this a million times last year on the leftist threads to people crying about the lesser evil. I don’t wish any pain on their lives but I also don’t know how to get through their thick skulls how real life can get unless they experience it from time to time.
Many people can only learn through personal pain.
So that’s what’s going to happen.
I hope they have the day they voted for.
Simple as that. My empathy for those people is gone.
Because voting is not compulsory in your country so there’s no incentive to provide accessibility for people to vote.
Face it, you need a different system. Not going to happen without violence though… It’s a very sad state of affairs.
Unfortunately this is probably where we’re at.
That’s the same number it’s been for 100 years. You’re never going to change that by pointing it out so what is the goal of this conversation?
That is the kind of aggressive apatheist mentality which got the US into this situation in the first place.
I’m not apathetic, I’m realistic. No one has moved that needle significantly in 100 years so talking about it like you’re going to make it happen seems like setting yourself up to fail. Work with what you have instead of wishing you could have more. That’s how progress is made.
No, voter suppression and the two party system are what got us in this situation.
We don’t have such low voter participation because of vibes. It’s structural.
That’s the reality of America’s FPTP system.
If you did not vote for Harris, then you helped (directly or indirectly) Trump get elected.
Eh those who stayed home also voted for this.
**supposedly