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- politics@lemmy.world
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- politics@lemmy.world
Some of the seven Democrats who voted for Noem say they’d now oppose her in the wake of Trump’s aggressive deportation plans and last week’s incident involving Sen. Alex Padilla.
Five days after Donald Trump’s inauguration, seven Senate Democrats voted to confirm Kristi Noem to lead the Department of Homeland Security.
Nearly 5 months later, most of them are critical of her, with some going as far as to say they regret their votes.
“I’m very disappointed. I’m very disappointed in her,” Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va., told NBC News this week. “If I were voting on her today, I definitely wouldn’t vote for her.”
Freshman Sen. Andy Kim, D-N.J., also said he would vote differently and oppose her nomination if he could do it again.
Because BNMW amirite?
I really enjoy that you have to put this in code now. Can’t openly state it. And still get largely downvoted for it.
It’s such a shitty, dishonest take. And people are finally waking up to it. Hindsight has always been 2020. And looking back I think plenty of people right now sorely wish we still had a Democrat in the oval office. Regardless of all the problems that we would still have. We wouldn’t have a full-on autocrat on the March in our own country as well. And might actually be able to focus completely on what’s going on over in Palestine instead of having to split our resources now on more fronts. Including local.
I’m not defending Or absolving democrats of their part in this. They’re still not learning. Just like you’re still not learning. And just as much as the Democrats are not an ally of the left or the people in general. Neither is someone like you who actively campaigned against our best interest. Helping to get the worst possible outcome elected. Simply because the other option was not perfect enough.
No yours is the dishonest take. You’re defending the rot at the core of the Democratic party, when it’s that very rot that prevents them from an easy path to victory in elections, and speeds our progress towards fascism.
MLK was right when he said that the true enemy of progress in this world were those who would ask us to suffer an unjust peace instead of accepting the righteous tension required to bring about change.
We’re here because we were told, by people like you, that we needed to accept less from Democrats because the alternative was worse. And we listened, for decades. And as a result both Democrats and their alternative both got worse, to the point that The Democratic party is at its lowest favor ability in almost a hundred years.
So miss me with your anemic, shown to be losing, approach to politics
I’m not defending the rot. I literally called you and them both out. But you’ve never been honest so why would you start now. We could do a lot more to take care of it if there was a democrat in office right now and we weren’t having to struggle to keep Ukraine from being steamrolled and our allies betrayed domestic and foreign. All the families now being ripped apart. Simply because Biden was not good enough for you simply because Harris was not good enough for you. You and your useless Purity tests.
Oh and nice selective quoting of Martin Luther King Jr. there. Don’t let yourself think that slipped by. But I’ll tell you one thing. While King was correct to call that out. You know what he didn’t do. He didn’t stop trying to seek alliances where he could to change things when possible. Martin Luther King Jr didn’t rely on Purity tests. Not like you. People are right to have a lot of regret. Things weren’t perfect. But they were better. And hopefully they will learn from all this purity testing. But letting the perfect be the enemy of the achievable is always a bad position.
I’ve never told anyone to accept less from the democrats. In fact I regularly tell people to primary them everywhere and Republicans as well. The simple fact is when it comes to national elections like the presidency. It will either be a Republican or a Democrat that wins. And while neither one is good. One is certainly much much worse. As shameful as it was. Palestine wasn’t on the ballot in the presidential election. But blatant fascism was. And while Democrats I think did the Lions share to hurt themselves. People with purity test like yours did no service either.
But you do you. Tell yourself what you need to to absolve yourself of any role in the problems we’re now facing in america. Build as many straw men as you like. People see you. And they’re not liking what they see.
Purity tests?! THEY WERE SUPPORTING A GENOCIDE! American liberals have lost their absolute minds.
And so we’re republicans. The genocide in Palestine literally was not on the ballot. No matter who won it was going to continue.
The only thing that was on the ballot was whether we were going to bring the genocide home and make it worse or not. Spoiler.
Now not only are we not having the minimal to no pushback against Israel that we had before. We have Trump actively enabling Israel and pushing to go to war in Iran. The worst possible option. And the Democrats definitely did plenty to bring it on themselves. But a lot of people were manipulated into turning the genocide in Palestine into an attack issue specifically against democrats. So effectively. That a number of Palestinians voted for Trump thinking he would be better about Palestine.
A system where literal genocide “is not on the ballot” is a wholly irredeemable system. Please understand that democrats are as responsible for Trumpism as republicans. Oh how people miss Obama, yet even with two terms in office, he failed to make any fundamental changes that could have prevented Trump. Democrats pose no credible opposition to republicans, because they are fundamentally incapable (unwilling) to address the problems we are facing. Basically the same foreign policy, and halfhearted reformist approaches to domestic issues. Republicans have all the wrong answers, but people see them fighting to implement them.
I never said it was. Why would you even think that that’s what I was implying? Acknowledging reality is not endorsing it.
During the presidential election we had the choice to either hold our ground or make things worse. Between the Democrats Optical and rhetorical failures. Plenty were also more concerned with virtue signaling to attack them. Rather than do what was achievable. Hoisting that turd over the Finish Line just to spite the fascist and keep them from Power.
Trust me as an anarchist I want to see every National level politician out of the job. And most in the state as well. It’s got nothing to do with supporting them. Just acknowledging the reality of the situation.
You, are not, however much you might choose to identify as, an anarchist.
You are a statist. You are a liberal. We don’t need your self reporting.
The democrats are one of the two “legs” that have been marching us to where we are today. It is better that people stop thinking they will protect us in any way from fascism, when they have been merrily helping to implement it. I get that you still feel it’s worth engaging with them as a political party even though you may find them abhorrent. The dem base in the other hand, loves them. Nothing better than the status quo, no matter how bad that gets!
And would you say that situation has gotten better, or worse under the new administration?
You aren’t just defending the rot: you are the rot. And calling me dishonest when you’ve been in a state of perpetual gaslight for litterally years?
Fucking rich dude.
Litterally all I have done is that advocate that Democrats not use strategies shown to lose elections. Your brain interprets that as advocating against Democrats, and I’m sorry that I can’t take a time machine back to your 10th grade home home room teacher that Eldritch the apologist needs to work on their reading comprehension skills. Show me once, where I advocated for people to not vote Democrat in the 2024 election.
Your persistent and nefarious approach to politics, your constant efforts to silence important accurate and relevant criticism of Democrats, advocacy that is trying to get them to do better: Your the fucking problem with the Democrats.
Shielding Biden from criticism during an election cycle threw the election for Democrats. Shielding Harris from criticism when she didn’t shift policies from Biden lost the election for Democrats.
Gaslighting people to deny the evidence of their eyes and ears will continue to lose Democrats elections.
Democrats can’t win elections using your approach. We ran the experiment. We have the data. You were the fucking problem.
Genocide apologia.
You heard it here! Genocide is “good”.
Clearly not, because the Democrats policy on Palestine was blatant fascism
Your boos mean nothing, we’ve seen what makes you cheer
“Not perfect enough” is such a stupid way to phrase that.
You had that chance for over a year, you spent my defending Bidens participation in genocide
Imagine describing “active participation in a modern Holocaust” as “not perfect enough”