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- politics@lemmy.world
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- politics@lemmy.world
Some of the seven Democrats who voted for Noem say they’d now oppose her in the wake of Trump’s aggressive deportation plans and last week’s incident involving Sen. Alex Padilla.
Five days after Donald Trump’s inauguration, seven Senate Democrats voted to confirm Kristi Noem to lead the Department of Homeland Security.
Nearly 5 months later, most of them are critical of her, with some going as far as to say they regret their votes.
“I’m very disappointed. I’m very disappointed in her,” Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va., told NBC News this week. “If I were voting on her today, I definitely wouldn’t vote for her.”
Freshman Sen. Andy Kim, D-N.J., also said he would vote differently and oppose her nomination if he could do it again.
And so we’re republicans. The genocide in Palestine literally was not on the ballot. No matter who won it was going to continue.
The only thing that was on the ballot was whether we were going to bring the genocide home and make it worse or not. Spoiler.
Now not only are we not having the minimal to no pushback against Israel that we had before. We have Trump actively enabling Israel and pushing to go to war in Iran. The worst possible option. And the Democrats definitely did plenty to bring it on themselves. But a lot of people were manipulated into turning the genocide in Palestine into an attack issue specifically against democrats. So effectively. That a number of Palestinians voted for Trump thinking he would be better about Palestine.
A system where literal genocide “is not on the ballot” is a wholly irredeemable system. Please understand that democrats are as responsible for Trumpism as republicans. Oh how people miss Obama, yet even with two terms in office, he failed to make any fundamental changes that could have prevented Trump. Democrats pose no credible opposition to republicans, because they are fundamentally incapable (unwilling) to address the problems we are facing. Basically the same foreign policy, and halfhearted reformist approaches to domestic issues. Republicans have all the wrong answers, but people see them fighting to implement them.
I never said it was. Why would you even think that that’s what I was implying? Acknowledging reality is not endorsing it.
During the presidential election we had the choice to either hold our ground or make things worse. Between the Democrats Optical and rhetorical failures. Plenty were also more concerned with virtue signaling to attack them. Rather than do what was achievable. Hoisting that turd over the Finish Line just to spite the fascist and keep them from Power.
Trust me as an anarchist I want to see every National level politician out of the job. And most in the state as well. It’s got nothing to do with supporting them. Just acknowledging the reality of the situation.
You, are not, however much you might choose to identify as, an anarchist.
You are a statist. You are a liberal. We don’t need your self reporting.
The democrats are one of the two “legs” that have been marching us to where we are today. It is better that people stop thinking they will protect us in any way from fascism, when they have been merrily helping to implement it. I get that you still feel it’s worth engaging with them as a political party even though you may find them abhorrent. The dem base in the other hand, loves them. Nothing better than the status quo, no matter how bad that gets!
Okay, and? Where did I ever give the impression that I had any sort of respect or confidence in them to think that they could protect anyone, even themselves. Was it that confidence inspiring phrase of hoisting another turd of a campaign over the Finish Line just to block the fascist?
Yes, they and Republicans both helped to march us to this cliff. How does jumping off the cliff help us? How did it help anyone.
It’s seriously not worth engaging with them as a party. We need to take power back from the national parties at local levels across the country. But their dead weight can still be useful. Even if it’s just inertia to slow a slide into complete collapse.
You’re relitigating the past. You might as well blame dem voters rather than others if you’re going to do that. We are in year one of Trump’s term. We should all be going full blast on how complicit the democrats are with all of this shit. We should all be shouting at dems how fucking garbage we think their policies are, and how we won’t be wasting our time voting for them. We should be clear about what we want, and what we won’t accept. And all that is only really for people that have any hope for that party.
Why? Everyone knows Democrats are shit. How is continuing to attack them going to achieve anything? We need to be the ones to actually offer something better and viable more broadly.
If you’re still engaging with them politically, it seems like you should be attacking them in order to force them to take popular positions. If you’re just going to vote blue no matter who, then you have zero political influence.