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Apple to Limit iPhone 15 USB-C Cables to USB 2.0 Speeds: Report::undefined
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Cunts gonna cunt.
Apples gonna Apple
They already said that
Worst thing is Apple fans will be calling it a feature.
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Amazing how this company is so successful knowing they’re just scamming their clients
And yet their anti-consumer practices continues to be hailed by their loyal customer base.
It’s mind blowing.
“A fool and his money are soon parted.”
Oh? Can I voice my opinion here that people suck off apple despite how shitty they are? Are we doing this?
When you’re the biggest shop in your town it’s because you do good work.
When you’re the biggest shop in the world it’s because you’re scamming your clients.
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Apple fanboys drooling over the company as it continues to shit on them.
I doubt your typical apple user will use the usb port for anything other than charging.
If they are going to improve transfer speeds it’s not going to happen in the same iteration they’re being made to switch to usb c for two reasons:
- They want to incetivise users to upgrade to a newer model 16
- They will want to take credit for faster speeds. Otherwise people will think usb c is just faster than lighting they were stuck with for years.
Number 2 is probably a bigger deal than people realize. They want to save face.
The reason is that like with the iPhone 14, in the non-Pro models they put the SoC from the previous year’s Pro model, and that one was only designed for Lightning so only USB 2.0. So the non-Pro will get USB 3 once the USB 3-supporting SoC trickles down from the Pro.
Apple is very good at price discrimination. I hey know if they can build a slightly cheaper phone by reusing the SoC from the older lightning version, and 99% of iPhone users won’t care (for whatever reason) they then know that the 1% that does care will spend a little bit more on the Pro model. And they do that with few different features, which ends up with the Pro models selling a significant number of units.
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ITT people pretending this is a spite based move, when realistically it is probably cutting costs by reusing the same hardware they used for lightning ports just soldering on a USB-C port instead of a lightning one.
A shining example of cutting edge Apple innovation
I mean, it’s not like it matters much. Most of apple devices actually expected to transfer data over wire are on thunderbolt already aren’t they? Frankly I’m a little surprised they switched to C on 15 already, iirc they could have still released this cycle on lightning according to EU regulation (I think it only comes in effect end of 2024, right?) It comes to me as no surprise that they use up the controllers they had for lightning before they roll out thunderbolt. It will probably be 2.0 for base and thunderbolt for pro this cycle and likely thunderbolt for all next cycle. That would be the apple m/o.
Are you trying to suggest the company that invented rounded corners isn’t innovative enough?!
Next they will claim they invented cutting corners…
dude usb 3.0 is 15 years old by now, and they’re a trillion dollar company. They’ll manage, this is 100% by choice
On a thousand dollar phone
One could argue that you don’t become a trillion dollar company by leaving money on the table.
One could argue, greed is a subset of malice, and spite isn’t mutually exclusive with any of it.
Public companies aren’t really driven by spite. At least not for its own sake.
Yes, the choice being the respective SoCs not needing 3.0 support because they were intended to be used with lightning connectors.
I mean Pixel 6 still didnt have 3.0 support, so the 15 year old argument doesnt hold too much ground either.
Pixel 6 has 3.1 gen 1 (3.0) and so did the Pixel 1
https://gsmarena.com/google_pixel_6-11037.php https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/7158570
The first phone with USB 3.0 appears to be from 2013.
https://www.theverge.com/2013/9/5/4696874/galaxy-note-3-usb-3-0-power-connector-explained
Sure, I’m willing to eat my words on that one, for some reason my memory said 6a was 2.0
The SoC lacks the hardware. Even the USB C iPads with A series chips operate at 2.0 speeds. They can only do 5Gbit in host mode, like with an external SSD. Plugged in to a computer they are 2.0.
I would imagine future chips will have the capability, once the Pro chips trickle down to the base models.
Yea, well, there you go. Pretty much straight up supports my original claim. If they need to full on change the SoC why in the hell would they fork up to support thunderbolt on iphones.
Thunderbolt seems excessive for most, but 3.0 would be welcome.
You think this more likely than just creating a bigger artificial difference between the standard and normal model?
I think that is most likely a lot of what drives that divide, but this almost certainly the case for the port. Some shit undoubtedly is software locked, and that is in fact scummy, but new hardware will always be more expensive than hardware you have already designed and maybe even have lying around.
To get thunderbolt in there they probably need a new board specifically for the iphone, while they can just cram in the lightning version with a new solder job and call it a day.
At the end of the day 95+% of the people who will use their phones will only use the port for charging anyway.
Well we don’t know yet what port the pro model we have, so once we do, we’ll know whether it’s just scummy behavior once again, or if Apple decided to use low to midrange hardware on all their models
Someone else commented that the SoC literally lacks the capability to run above 2.0. If this is the case it would be very hard to call this even scummy adjacent.
Can’t find any confirmation on this claim, but their Ipad pro model uses USB c with far higher speeds.
Doesn’t that run M2 SoC?
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That, and also, how many iPhone users do you think will actually notice slower USB speeds? One percent? They literally do not need 3.0 to keep their customers happy. And they’re not going to poach many Android fanboys with this change, so who cares?
I’m with you, people use the cable for power, it’s pretty rare to use them for data transfers. He’ll moving to a new phone is all wireless, just set them next to each other.
I’m going over… that’s literally all I needed from them. Consumer choice is all lesser evils atm.
RIP Firefox phone and Samsung Pure.
by reusing the same hardware
I’m sure their engineers are competent enough to repurpose she iPad Pro’s TB4 hardware.
Two factors. Do they still have lightning hardware sitting on shelves? Do they need to design to fit the iphone form factor? If the answer is yes to either of these, designing for TB this release cycle seems non-sensical when most people only use the cable to charge their phones.
I believe it’s both. Apple said that they’d be compliant with the EU regulations of having usb-c as a port for any cell phone with a charging port. I don’t remember the exact wording, but a valid interpretation was that usb-c is not required if the device has no charging port. I believe apple is moving towards exclusively QI-charging and wireless connection. Reducing the capability of wired connections would in that case just be a way to move the users towards the planned infrastructure.
So it’s both a spiteful move regarding the regulations, but also a move which reduces costs and pushes users their desired way.
I believe apple is moving towards exclusively QI-charging and wireless connection.
I sure hope not. I’d have to take off my case every time I wanted to charge my phone.
I charge my samsung just fine with a decently fat case. Does apple have a weaker QI receptor?
I have a wallet case. It’s really really thick. It holds all my credit cards and drivers license and stuff.
I see. I believe that Apple’s vision is that payment cards and drivers licence will soon be fully integrated in the phone, eliminating the need for a wallet case. Not that I’m an Apple user, but I am pretty much at the point of never using physical payment cards, and my drivers licence has a digital version in my country.
I’ll still need my health insurance card, my driver’s license, etc. That won’t work on a phone.
My health insurance is fully digital and my country has an official app for driver’s licences. This varies from country to country, but I think we’re all heading in that direction.
TFW a wifi transfer literally loads files from your phone faster than a fucking cable.
USB 3.0 is way faster than WiFi and some phones even gave 3.1
… iPhone has USB 2.0
Yes, I know that,
The comment above implied that faster USB support isn’t needed because WiFi is faster anyways (obviously wrong).
I don’t think they intended to imply that faster USB support _isn’t needed _, but rather they are making a mockery of how absolutely absurd this reality is.
That is possible.
That’s his point.
That’s the point. Expect the iPhone 17 to be portless to the consumer.
There has to be a USB-C. Some people will always want wires to transfer data, even if it’s through their “wireless charger”, which is proprietary.
And some people will always want a headphone jack… oh wait…
How do apple fan boys keeps eating this shit-sandwich year after year?
Most people are totally lost in a sea of capitalistic greed and wealth indicators. If you don’t keep up with the Joneses, are you really alive?
They have convinced themselves it tastes better than a club sandwich.
It never had to make sense.
What % of mobile users plug their phones into a computer to move files on/off them? I’m not even an iPhone user (I have a Pixel 6 Pro) and it’s probably been 5+ years since I last moved files over USB on my phone.
But why even limit it?
I’m guessing it saves them a few cents. I just don’t think most customers care so I can see why they’d want to save a little bit of money.
That’s the same excuse used when they removed the headphone jack and forced you to use bluetooth. I owned many a cell phones and they all had headphone jacks and bluetooth and both worked just fine. But then the headphone jack was removed and now you had to dish out cash for over priced devices that have a limited lifespan (those batteries aren’t going to last forever).
I heard so many people say “well I never/rarely used the headphone jack” or “but I like bluetooth”. Fine, that’s nice, no reason to make it exclusive other than the company stands to make money off it. People gave up better audio quality and a plug that was more universal than the USB port… we’re not likely to get it back. No doubt Apple (because of course it’ll be Apple) will release a new proprietary cabled audio port that only works with their headphones.
Apple is anti-consumer.
Proprietary card audio port? What are you talking about? Apple doesn’t care about wired audio and neither does the average consumer.
I’ve been using Bluetooth headphones for many years and imo it was the right call to push the industry in this direction. Bluetooth headphones don’t die as quickly as you think. My first gen QC35 lasted close to 5 years when I replaced them and the battery was still good. They were replaced because they started making a weird noise randomly and I didn’t take the best care of them so probably some wire in them became loose or something.
People don’t like change but if you still want to use wired headphones you can. Use a USB-C/lightning adapter to headphone jack.
Batteries can last a long time. We have a Tesla in the driveway that I expect the battery to last 10+ years at least.
Man, you over trust tech industries… but your on Lemmy, weird IMO.
Apple doesn’t care about wired audio and neither does the average consumer.
That’s a lie, customers do care. They weren’t given a choice.
imo it was the right call to push the industry in this direction
Why? Because I cannot fathom a reason to remove a perfectly good option, especially since that option has existed for some decades.
I fully expect Apple to release a “premium” cabled option down the road. And why wouldn’t they? Better audio quality and a whole new tech line to get money from. And if it’s proprietary then they don’t have to worry about those pesky non-Apple branded headphone from working.
Good for you you’ve been using Bluetooth. So have I. I also use cabled audio sometimes because I can or because it has fewer issues. I have headphones from the 80s and 90s that still work. I also have Bluetooth that gets flakey if I put the phone in the wrong pocket or I turn my head the ‘wrong way’. Because Bluetooth is just a low powered radio.
People don’t like change but if you still want to use wired headphones you can. Use a USB-C/lightning adapter to headphone jack
The whole world had 3.5mm headphones. Then Bluetooth was an option. Now it’s forced and the standard everyone had that any headphone or 3.5mm cable worked with doesn’t. And lightning, is only Apple. And it’s ignoring the myriad of problems…
And to make it perfectly clear, because I feel like people completely miss the point here (because every time this is brought up that seems to be the case). I’m not saying Bluetooth audio needs to go away. I’m saying, there was nothing gained from forcing people. Also, there’s nothing gained from proprietary bullshit or things that cannot be repaired/maintained by people.
Lithium-ion batteries can last 10+ years. They can also last much shorter. They’re not magic and it doesn’t matter who makes them. It’s science. They will fail. From over use, kept at the wrong amount of charge for too long, too hot\cold, somehow damaged, etc. They are going to fail and are all e-waste. I mean, find me someone who has any mobile phone that’s from 2013 that still gets the full use of it like it was originally advertised. I mean, you’re expecting to get 10 years maybe more out of a car… and you’re not mad about that. I know people who drive cars that were built in the 60s. They’ve been able to repair/replace/maintained that vehicle for the life of it. Apple hates the idea of you repairing anything from them.
I usualy agree with this but here is a thing USB 2.0 is really not that slow. I higly doubt you need faster data transfers on a phone.
The best argument I can see for faster than USB 2.0 speeds is YouTubers that shoot 4k video on iPhones and then need to edit the video. That’s a very small number of people though
Those are definitely iPhone pro users and those get thunderbolt if my feeling is right (based on rumors I lost the source, lol)
I’m transfering stuff from my phone to PC all the time.
What are you transferring? Do you really think others are? Most people just use Google Photos or equivalent for photo back up and YouTube Music/Spotify/Apple Music/Amazon Music/etc.
It’s good for app development where you’re constantly testing changes
Good point. I guess it can take a while if a large app is being moved to the device. I haven’t done Android dev in a while but I think ADB debugging can also be done wirelessly.
Samsung doesn’t support USB 3 on several of their higher priced phones, either.
Yes. Samsung is a garbage company as well.
And they’re also a shit company just like Apple.
Yes they don’t support. It’s different from supporting and limiting. I’ll bet there will be a super-duper-special USB cable or dongle you’ll be able to buy in order to get full speed.
It’s different from supporting and limiting.
We don’t have the information needed to speculate that this is the case.
The Pro model has the faster speeds while the regular model doesn’t.
That just means there’s different hardware in each device.
I wouldn’t describe myself as a fanboy, but here’s my reasons for continuing to use an iPhone and not moving to Android:
- I’ve been a Mac user for over 20 years. I’ve got a lot of Mac software that I use that have iOS only counterparts, and I’ve no interest in comparable software. The inertia of daily use software is a huge incentive for me.
- In the case of USB C vs Lightning or 2.0 vs. 3.v, I genuinely don’t use USB for file transfer to and from my phone. I may be a unicorn, but iCloud file sync and iCloud Photos have always worked reliably for me. Documents are on my iPhone, iPad, and Mac when I go looking for them. Photos and videos are there when I go looking for them. I don’t think I’ve plugged my iPhone into a computer (Mac or otherwise) in the last four years.
- I’ve charged on a QI charger for as long as I can remember (and a 3d printed MagSafe stand now). I have several lightning cables stashed away, but I actually loaned them out more than I use them. And my battery life is not a major concern for me. Since the iPhone X I’ve mostly managed all day battery life between my bedside and desktop chargers. And most days I use my phone lightly enough that I don’t need frequent charge ups.
- And the last bit: long term support. I hand down my devices about two years after getting them (in my immediate and extended family). I have family members with six year old iPhones who are still receiving software updates to the most recent OS. My iPhone X being used by my daughter won’t get iOS 17 this year, but it’s from 2017. And when I upgrade later this fall I’ll replace the battery in my 13 Pro, and hand it off to her. My son has an iPhone 12 that my wife handed down to him, last year. iPhones “wear” well.
I agree about the iPhones wearing well. Folks in my family pass down their iPhones too, but the ones with Android phones don’t seem to last. The lose support so quickly it’s not even funny.
Some Androids have extremely long support times, like the Fairphone. But as a general rule, yes, this is true. Unless you buy a Fairphone, or a model that is supported by Linage and root it, you’re losing software updates after just 2 years, which is insane.
it’s an identity. you might be surprised to see how often the apple logo is used on random things in countries where copyright doesn’t exist. like it’s a symbol of something really important.
but I think the USB 2.0 thing is completely normal and this is a misleading headline
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How is USB 2.0 normal in a phone that costs upwards of $800?
I mean, it has been normal for apple phones. Lightning cables only have USB 2.0 transfer speeds as it currently stands. They’ve used it from iPhone 5 up to iPhone 14, including the pro and max versions. Only the iPad pros have the potential for USB 3.0 speeds. Those are the only ones with 16 pin connectors instead of the standard 8 pins in all other lightning connectors
Well, then there has never been a better time to upgrade to USB 3/4 than now.
2.0 isn’t normal in a USB-C phone.
Ads campaigns apple spends billions in, such has having their brand name on top of every community to boost their popularity and overshadow competitors
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Samsung Dex could literally replace your work machine then if that’s all you use
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Maybe this?
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I also use remote access on Android and the key bindings are so frustrating, the super key especially. I’ve looked for solutions but haven’t found any yet.
Word and PhotoShop
basically it has some killer features for my job
This is why people make fun of apple users.
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I haven’t transferred data over a usb cable in at least a decade. This means nothing to me.
In other news: company with long history of selling over-priced, under featured products to aspirational nitwits does it again!
Stupid up and take my money!1!!! - Apple nitwit shoppers
They are going to limit it to USB 2.0 speeds so in 3 or 4 years they can declare some new magical advancement and bump it up to full 3.0 speeds.
Apple purposefully limits things so that they have something to announce in the future. They aren’t dumb. They know the advancements in smartphones has been starting to slow down. So they meter out the advances over many years in incremental updates to give their customers a reason to upgrade.
You will hear something like this from every reviewer after an Apple event: “The changes were small, but taken together the new insert product name here might be well worth the upgrade price.”
This is not innovation that helps the market.
This is the reason capitalism will never maximize life for any but the few at the top.
In 3-4 years, WIFI 7 will be standard, and Apple will completely remove data pins from the charging port because nobody has used them since WIFI 6.
Yes, I can’t wait for them to launch the newest innovative tech of Type C for iPhone, which will offer more speed and better compatibility cause they are the good guys who swear they would protect your data and keep an eye on your photos too.
I have family who actually believes all of what you just said. The tribalism can get a bit much.
Once the brand becomes a core part of someone’s identity, the company can do no wrong and it’s extremely difficult to convince them otherwise. The level of willful ignorance is astonishing. We have a similar problem in American politics.
This will probably shock you to the core, but some of us can use and enjoy the company’s products for a wide variety of reasons, whilst continuing to be skeptical and not liking every one of their decisions.
Nuh uh!
You like a thing I don’t! You’re a fanboy of that thing. Why else would you like it?
Yeah, you’re right. I bow to your superior logic.
I tried to explain to my MIL once that iPhones contain mostly Samsung chips and Samsung displays just like most non-samsung Android phones because Samsung happens to be the best semiconductor manufacturer for phone parts. She paused to look at me like I had 3 heads and continued on about the unicorn farts and rainbow barf that makes her iPhone work.
Not long after that she bragged about how good of a deal she got on the 3 year contract with the regional carrier who has the worst coverage for the $1k+ phone that costs her more in a single month than I pay for a year of prepaid phone service. She even tried to say we need to switch to the plan she’s on to save money…
Why anyone would buy into this crap is beyond me.
they have created the culture of superiority. a posh product for our shallow acquaintances. it’s a great filter test actually.
seriously…so sick of people being like, “ew why do your text messages show up green” and just buying everything apple cuz it’s apple.
It’s like people are ok with purposefully shooting themselves in the foot.
Have you met a large chunk of US voters? People actively vote against their interests because they don’t want “them” getting the same benefits.
This is a patently absurd comparision
I don’t even like Apple, but when you talk about their mobile ecosystem (mainly looking at phones/watches) here, Android is laughably behind at this point.
- Apple devices last stupid long.
- First one here counts for both batteries and vendor support. This is for the worst reason, the walled garden, but it works. There have been a few times I realized my magsafe charger was unplugged… for three days in a row. But my battery was rolled into about 5% at the end of the third day and dozens of hours of SoT.
- The 2021 OS release supported 2015 phones. Current OS is to 2017 phones. Point out any major Android vendor still supporting their 2017 phones until at least mid 2024.
- I was a devout Android worshipper. I twrp’d, greenified, rooted, removed any social media apps, etc and everything else. And then I realized I hated having to do that to make it with a device that would have over 50% battery by lunch.
- I grew up. I went from loving to tweak with my phone all the time, to just wanting it to reliably work.
- One of my most important pieces of tech is my watch. I use it for payments, travel, access, and everything else. And the Apple watch versus ANY OTHER ANDROID offering is the reason I will never use Android again. Shit just works. Mindlessly. And never has downtime.
I use linux on my desktop and laptop, but iPhone is the only phone that matters.
I use an iPhone, I was just making a point.
Though I will point out, Apple is good at supporting their devices… for the warranty period. After which their solution is usually “pay so much to repair this device you may as well be buying the newest version.” For most purchases, this is 1 year unless required by law.
The walled garden for apps is extremely restrictive and honestly bull. Want examples? Install a porn app, or a network scanner app, or one of the many categories they deem “saturated.” Their walls don’t even stop scams or malware, both of which have made it into the store in the past, the latter of which can still easily be found.
The majority of the rest I agree with though.
But my foot is fine with holes!
More holes= more aerodynamics
They’re called speed holes Flanders.
I’ve been an Android user all my life. Nexus, 2 one pluses, Samsung flip, and now on Pixel. I’ve also been pretty anti apple. I feel Android isn’t being able to hold it’s weight very well anymore. I find the experience a little meh and the below average battery doesn’t help. I’m not happy with the Pixel at all. Back in the day, I felt Apple was just overpriced and didn’t bring anything to the table and was almost exclusively garbage. Over the last one year I’ve been thinking more and more about giving it a try. I might switch into an iPhone 15 this year to see how it is. What doesn’t help is trying to pick TWS earbuds. All of them have some issue or the other. The new XM5s rely too heavily on foam tips (and Sony made a design where finding third party replacement is a pain), Beoplay Ex has average ANC which is important to me. From all my research, it’s looking like the Airpods might be the most well rounded in what I’m looking for, I just need to compromise on the sound quality. I might get the airpods even if I decide to stick to Android. I don’t know, man. I feel like there’s nothing I’m truly happy with in the market anymore (and I’m willing to spend, just give me something good) and I’m hoping Apple is the least worst of the lot so I might give it a try this year. Windows is the only thing I can never switch away from. Sorry for the rant, I’ve been struggling a bit to find good products but it’s like all these companies just hate us.
I am unfortunate in that I am the owner of a pixel by choice, and given an iPhone by my employer. I hate Apple’s “exceptionalism” and inconsistencies, that they kept the lighting connector alive for so long, that they removed the audio jack even though I have good BY headphones, their constant bait for their ecosystem/cloud storage and whatnot, now this arbitrary cap on USB capabilities (the list is seemingly endless). iOS is also such a frustrating user experience. The perspective of typing long form on an iPhone is off-putting enough to often compel me to pick up the laptop or the pixel given how stupid the keyboard completion and text entry UX are. Don’t get me wrong, I also think Android is a terrible OS, but at least it’s not forcing its shortcomings down our throats. For instance, I use nova launcher and sesame shortcuts, so that I just type what I want (contacts, common actions, app-specific shortcuts, settings, directions, …) and barely do any menu/app navigation at all. And that’s what I want: to order my phone about my immediate needs and get immediate feedback/answers. Apple UX is about prettifying a workflow which I don’t want in the first place, stripping out elements of UX which I might need, and leveraging a hard to reach zoo of applications which never interact/complement each other. They really managed to turn an incredibly powerful device into a dumb phone. Did I mention already how frustrating the user experience is?
Man, this sounds awful. I don’t even know what to do anymore. I think the most infuriating thing in the pixel for me is audio output. I’m always connected to some Bluetooth audio device. Switching between them(or deciding I want my output to be from the phone’s speakers) is insane. Only if some media is playing, can I switch otherwise I have to either go start playing something on Spotify or disconnect devices to be able to see the option of picking my output. The functionality is there but they’ve locked it behind some arbitrary logic. And coming from OnePlus I was blown away that suddenly I need 2 hours to completely charge my phone?! Wtf! 2 hours? For a phone that barely lasts the day on regular use!
I’m very much an Android user, but in an enterprise setting Apple products are so much easier to manage. When pushing certificates with profiles from Intune, we had no end of trouble with Android phones but iPhones were incredibly easy.
ITT: people who don’t realize that most USB-C cables are USB 2.0
Which is fine, I have a full speed USBC cable and it’s a thicc boi that I certainly wouldn’t want to shove in my pocket all the time and the 2.0 speed ones still charge my laptop even. But Apple is limiting the PORT, not the cable, which isn’t cool.
Because they are probably using the same controller, just rewired to usbc, there are videos of this modification being done aftermarket.
They can’t limit the cables, they don’t even come with the phone anymore
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And other “small” devices… hell even my toothbrush came with only a charging cable,… with an usb-a port,… and no brick…. FUCK YOU PHILIPS!!! What the F!!!
This is irrelevant.
We’re talking about smartphones here, and most new Android phones support > 3.0.
Limiting a flagship phone in 2023 to USB 2.0 transfer and charging speeds is a cheapskate move.
The article only really has facts about the 2.0 cable, anything said about the device is speculated.
The entire article is literally based on a tweet where someone tested the cable. The title of the article and of this Lemmy post references that.
But boy does it generate attention for Apple.
Ah, I see. If the phones themselves support > 3.0, that would certainly be less egregious.
most new Android phones support > 3.0
Where do you find that information? Do you know of a reviewer that benchmarks the USB transfer rate of Android phones?
Edit: I found this: https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-problem-usb-c-file-transfer-1075286/
10.8GB / 480 Mbps = 180 seconds, and those phones are all faster, so they must be using USB 3.x. In other words, iPhone 15 will have slower USB data than the Pixel 1.
IIRC current iphones with lightning connector are still using USB 2.0 and only ipad pro actually has USB 3. I could be wrong though.
Do you actually connect your phone for anything other than charging? Not trying to poke at you, I’m just honestly surprised this is a big issue for anyone really.
Sure but most USB-C Android devices can at least manage USB 3.0 speeds
That likely includes most policy makers. They should have enforce color coding usb c cables instead of forcing the form factor.
Yeah I’ve ran into this problem a few times now. I use my Occulus Quest on my PC and it needs USB 3.2 cables. The meta branded ones are crazy expensive but I found a third party one for fairly cheap.
I just got a Pixel 7 Pro and it needs a special powerblock to rapid charge. My Samsung block from my S10+ didn’t meet the requirements, I had to go back to the Essential Phones included charger. The USB-C port on my PC’s case is at normal speeds, but the port on the mono charges rapidly.
The official Meta/Oculus one is expensive because the data lines are fiber optic which allows it to be longer.
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Well, charger cables are usually at USB 2.0 speed because USB-PD works the same, but signal integrity doesn’t matter as much, so you can make a longer, more flexible cable without using in-cable shielding…
So this is misleading, since the included cable coming in 2.0 speed (missing pins) absolutely does not mean that the iPhone USB-C port will only support 2.0.
The article states that the iPhone (the device itself) will be limited to USB 2.0 speed. Do you have information otherwise? Also limiting the speed does not mean it will not support the additional protocols that USB-C would allow for. I believe why people are making a fuzz over this is that people with iPhones want to be able to do large exports/backups/imports. Specifically those that use the devices professionally. In those cases you would want all the speed you can have, and this feels like an arbitrary limit set by Apple because they don’t want to fully comply. Perhaps there are good reasons due to heat issues in the storage controller.
Well, the article showed their original source, the tweet, which shows cable spec, data from a tester, and teardown ONLY. 16 pins on the male connector instead of the full 24 means USB 2.0 transfer speed is the maximum it can support, which is typical of a charger cable. (And no, this cable won’t be able to support things like DisplayPort since the 3.0 data pins are missing. )
My main point is that there is no information on the device side USB port configuration at all, therefore there is no conclusion that can be drawn about the USB-C port on the new iPhone yet, and it’s incredibly bad journalism for Extremetech to draw conclusion about device side spec from only the spec of the included charger cable.
If this is all based on just the teardown of a cable than the article is just speculation. If it really lacks all additional pins this is just malicious compliance on Apple’s part. “Oh you asked for a usb-c connector EU Commission? Here it is”.
It wouldn’t make sense to implement full USB 3 and then cap speeds. The alternative protocols like displayport over USB 3 needs the extra wires which were added in USB 3, so if the port only have USB 2 pins + power then it can’t support the new USB 3 features
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And the Apple branded super speed cable can be sold for more profit. Win!
Edit: I did some searching and found all the major providers send the phone with a USB2 cable, so taking a punt at Apple for this actually is unfair.
Or include a cheaper cable since 95% of the users will never transfer data over usb?
Probably closer to 99%. It’s kind of dumb I guess (without knowing the port specs, it’s impossible to form an opinion.) What are these people up in arms about?
I’m guessing the people most up in arms about this don’t even use iOS.
What a messy article. The title says that the cables are limited to 2.0 speeds (which they might as well be), the subtitle mentions charging speed as opposed to transfer speed and the article itself then talks about the port on the device having 2.0 speeds (for non “Pro” models).
Anyways, of course they gimp the base model on purpose. Every company does to set the more expensive models apart obviously, but Apple drives it to the extremes especially in recent years, which makes their line-up incredibly confusing. I mean they’ve gone out of their way to make their 10th gen base iPad use the old Apple Pencil, and they still don’t laminate the display even after they redesigned the exterior.
If you want a new iPhone this fall and you’re looking for something in the price range of the standard iPhone 15 (which will still be a very expensive phone of course), I’d recommend looking for previous year’s “Pro” model. The iPhone 13 Pro dropped around the iPhone 14 price at launch, and it’s essentially better in almost every way.
And because people will mention it: of course, you can also get a phone from a different manufacturer if it suits you, or keep your current phone.
Usb 2.0 is 23 years old now.
There’s a line between “enhancing the pro model by shitting on everyone else” but like this is just disrespectful.
But hey your money, spend that shit as stupidly as you want
(3.0 came out 15 years ago for reference, it’ll be older than some kids getting the phone ffs)
but like this is just disrespectful.
The word you’re looking for is “anti-consumer”
No, no it’s fucking not. How about you not base radical accusations on bullshit articles?
https://www.macrumors.com/2023/08/24/iphone-15-usb-c-cable-usb2-transfer-speeds/
According to leaker Majin Bu, who has previously shared details about Apple’s new cables, the USB-C cables supplied in iPhone 15 boxes are indeed limited to USB 2.0 data transfer speeds at a rate of 480 MBps, which is the same as Lightning.
In contrast, rumors converge on both iPhone 15 Pro models supporting higher USB-C transfer speeds. According to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, the iPhone 15 Pro models will support “at least” USB 3.2 or Thunderbolt 3. For comparison, the iPad Pro features a Thunderbolt port for transfer speeds up to 40 Gbps, while the entry-level iPad’s USB-C port is limited to just 480 Mbps.
And that is the crux of it. rumors
Ah, but what am I saying?! Please, return to your circlejerk, I’ll not bother you with any more inconvenient facts
I think you replied to the wrong comment?
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I always get last year’s model of whatever tech because it’s likely to be both cheaper and less buggy due to the bugs already have been fixed.
So, worse than a Galaxy S5. Got it.
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USB-C is the physical form. Does it actually dictate USB3?
USB-c has absolutely nothing to do with speed. It’s solely the port shape.
Most USB-c cables today are usb2.0
The port on the phone Pro model supports transfer speeds up to 20 or 40 gbps, it’s just the supplied charging cable that is limited to USB 2.0 speeds. If you use a thunderbolt cable you will get full speed and a full feature set.
Edit: Seems like I was wrong; only the Pro models get full speed. That’s kinda shitty, yeah. Unfortunately still in spec, as the mandate is only for the form factor, not the protocol.
That’s not what the article says.
You’re likely not aware of all the facts. See, they’re required to put the USB C port in because Apple has been getting away with bullshit for decades that needs to stop. There’s zero reason for all the proprietary shit they force users to use that ends up creating millions of tons of plastic waste. So they decided to be extra massive cunts and are putting BOTH options on the phone instead of just using the one that every other phone does just fine with, creating a TON of plastic waste, and then, the kicker, forcing you to buy both cords anyhow if you want things to be fast.
What are you talking about? Lightning is older than USB-c, and iPhone has had 2 connectors (30pin, Lightning) during the time where all other phones had at least three (Mini B, Micro B, C)
Proving my point to?
No? A non-iPhone user has had to replace more cables during the same time span, and that’s not even counting the proprietary cables that existed on phones in the 2007-2009 era. Thunderbolt cables are expensive, even at Monoprice they are 3-4x the cost of a USB 2.0 cable that the vast majority will never need anything better.
Many phones use USB-C with USB 2.0, or at least they used to very recently. The Samsung Galaxy S series had USB 3.0 micro B on the S5 and devolved into USB 2.0 with a USB-C connector.
That’s not true. The standard is just the port, not what the port can do.
