• ALQ
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    Speaking to CBS, the BBC’s US partner, on Sunday, Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said that the online rhetoric has been “extraordinarily alarming”.

    “It speaks of what is really bubbling here in this country,” he said. “And unfortunately we see that manifested in violence, the domestic violent extremism that exists.”

    Did he care about the domestic violent extremism before it started to affect the wealthy? What about the domestic terrorists who go after the queer community, POC communities, women, doctors providing reproductive healthcare…the list goes on.

    Violent extremism isn’t new here. It’s just that this one affects people with power.

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      Yeah, the rules of society say they won and they think all the losers beneath them just have to accept it. The social order and status quo are great for them. That something would violate it is extremely disturbing to them and provokes an emotional response.

      I think that’s why they seem to be so clumsily overreacting to the murder. Maybe it’s working in segments of the population I don’t see, but everyone in my social network is either outright happy it happened or at least get why it happened. Some will have perfunctory “murder is wrong” statements, but the thrust is about what a corrupt and evil business health insurance is. That’s all the way up to the boomers and crosses political boundaries.

      Things like the perp walk, excessive charges, and corporate comedy pretending everyone just thinks Mangione is a bad guy just highlights the us vs. them of class war rather than trying to somehow quell or redirect the bubbling unrest. I think they’re doing this because their peers and masters are emotionally demanding a visible and recognizable show of power and obedience. If they knew what was good for them they’d be triple-timing it to make some token effort to reform the system, but even a token effort in response to the killing of a rich person would infuriate them, so clumsy performances it is.

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        5 months ago

        When my usually “civil” boomer dad said he gets why he did it and wasn’t outright condemning him, I knew the ruling class wasn’t in control of the narrative as per usual this time.

      • Queen HawlSera
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        55 months ago

        I know two things.

        1. Luigi didn’t do it
        2. What happened was a Christmas miracle, the rich will only share if it’s profitable or if they’re scared.
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          If we learn something from “A Christmas Carol”, it’s that a rich person must go through at least 3 traumatic events before they repent.

    • @BmeBenji@lemm.ee
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      415 months ago

      What about the domestic terrorist corporations who assassinate whistleblowers? Or are there so many hands involved there that it’s not worth the trouble to dismantle those terrorist organizations?

    • Queen HawlSera
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      175 months ago

      Did he care about the domestic violent extremism before it started to affect the wealthy?

      No, not at all. They’re only mad because for the first time, the elite feel mortal.

      You ever heard of the “less dead”, well, Brian Thompson is “more dead”

      And for those who haven’t “Less Dead” is a saying used to describe people who’s deaths the police don’t look into because they’re “not important enough”

      Many serial killers get away with their crimes simply because they’re smart enough to only kill those who would be deemed “less dead”

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      Mayorkas said white nationalists are the biggest threat to domestic security. He was impeached by Nazis. He doesn’t repeat bullshit about immigration. Not necessarily a standard asshole that fails upwards.

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      If someone would say this shit on the news in real time, I might actually watch it. But it’s all so scripted and tame I can’t bring myself to care.

  • @Fedizen@lemmy.world
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    1525 months ago

    Its fucked up the news is acting like Sandy Hook wasn’t a decade ago. All this guy is accused of is shooting a CEO.

    • SuiXi3D
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      545 months ago

      Maybe if it happens enough, we can normalize billionaire CEO murder as well.

    • @Woht24@lemmy.world
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      The problem here is the frequency of the crimes. If CEOs were being shot on a weekly to bi weekly average in groups of 3 or more, this crime would become one of the many others the American media wash over.

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        Indeed, the powerful would be left on their own like they left our children on their own. Only unlike our kids, they could do something about it…

        The billionaires would be totally “scrooged”, better share the wealth assholes. A poor man, isn’t a murdered man.

        cackle

        Well, I can dream…

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      This is the disheartening part that highlights the class divide. Shootings of common folk barely make the news where I’m from. How much have taxpayers paid for this so far? Justice clearly isn’t being applied equally.

  • DominusOfMegadeus
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    1195 months ago

    The terrorism “charges” are laughably flimsy and clearly contrived. Trumped Up, you might say.

    • Queen HawlSera
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      285 months ago

      The terrorism charge is absolutely the dumbest thing they did. Now it’s on them to prove it was more than just murder.

  • Queen HawlSera
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    965 months ago

    This makes me believe it really wasn’t him. If he actually wrote a manifesto, he’d have declared himself guilty, taken credit, and done a speech about how he was now a martyr for the cause.

    If he’s sticking to his story, then I believe him. They couldn’t find the real killer so they just went with whoever “fit the description”, as per usual.

    • @morrowind@lemmy.ml
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      195 months ago

      That doesn’t explain why he keeps mogging the camera, or what he yells to the journalist in that one video.

      I don’t know if it’s him, but I think whoever it is, is just following their lawyer’s advice, not trying to be a martyr

      • @DeLacue@lemmy.world
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        The thing is they’ve actually made a mistake charging him with terrorism. It is surprisingly narrowly defined so even without a sympathetic jury he might get a not guilty verdict for it and it weakens the whole case against him. But most of all by including it they’ve made all his intentions and politics central issues to the case. All the evidence and his statements about this will have to go into the public record. If he had pleaded guilty that wouldn’t happen nor would there be a chance for jury annulment. Pleading not guilty is simply the smarter option to take.

        • Queen HawlSera
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          15 months ago

          That’s the one thing that tells me he’s not just going to walk, he’s going to walk on fucking water where he’ll be able to look down to see the Prosecution drowning

    • @Zron@lemmy.world
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      Wouldn’t be surprised if he was in New York on some legitimate business, they caught him on camera at a Starbucks near the murder, blasted his image all over the news and social media, and just waited for someone to call.

      Then when they got the call, they grabbed a backpack with “evidence” and claimed he had it on him when they arrested him.

      Did anyone believe that he was wondering around for 3 days with a bag that was holding the murder weapon, fake IDs, and a hand written manifesto? He ditched another bag, and escaped on an e-bike. Why would he then run around for three days with the rest of the evidence.

      • Queen HawlSera
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        95 months ago

        Either he is the dumbest man alive, or the police really wanted to just go with the first guy who fit the description knowing that they’ll look like heroes to their corporate overlords, and that if another guy bites the dust they can just say it was a copycat.

    • Personally, I am sad that is all it takes for you to believe something. Businesses, media, governments, and more are trying to make people believe things (unrelated to luigi) that aren’t true. You need to raise the bar, not lower it. Maybe you want to believe he didn’t do it, but I hope you don’t actually believe that based on so little information.

      • Queen HawlSera
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        45 months ago

        There’s too much that doesn’t add up, it’s just too convenient that he had the gun and manifesto on him.

    • @arc@lemm.ee
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      Of course it was him. That doesn’t mean from a legal perspective he is best served by pleading guilty. Pleading not guilty also means he’ll get a jury trial and his lawyers can introduce evidence that embarrasses private health insurance providers, or proves his state of mind, or otherwise casts doubt.

    • @frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe
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      55 months ago

      I tend to think it’s because they charged him as a terrorist. I assume it’s a different law in which case he might be able to prove it’s not terrorism.

    • @Hlodwig@lemmy.world
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      Its obviously NOT him, footage from the murder shows thin eyebrows, white skin (like Irish white) and way smaller dude than Luigi… I still cant understand that people still believe Luigi could be the killer…

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      That’s now how it works: In the US “justice”-system there are only extremely limited cases where it makes sense to plead guilty, because it pretty much just means that you skip the trial and get sentenced directly. Especially if you want Jury-nullification, you have to plead non-guilty so that the Jury can find you innocent despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

      • @Rakonat@lemmy.world
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        25 months ago

        What overwhelming evidence in this case? The evidence made public definitely seems to imply he’s not the one who shot the CEO.

        Why would a person take such a carefully planned route through the city to Central Park, change clothes and dump their bag, only to keep their gun, fake IDs and hand written manifesto/confession on their person three days later while eating lunch at a restaurant? If Luigi was the shooter and looking to take credit as what has been released of the manifesto implies, why hide out for three days instead of publicly turning themselves in after informing the press so it’s recorded and likely televised?

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      In addition to a long stream of journalists waiting for the suspect to appear, members of the public - almost all of them young women - were in court, some of whom told CBS, the BBC’s US partner, that they were there to show their support.

      (emphasis mine)

      • Queen HawlSera
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        125 months ago

        They’re really trying to say that “Oh he’s handsome, that’s why people like him.”

        No it’s not his looks, it’s the fact that he lit the fires of rebellion just be being accused of this act of self-defense.

  • @JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world
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    175 months ago

    Maybe the lack of quick access to life saving resources, procedures and experts immediately after the shooting, aka ‘healthcare’, was what actually killed him?

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    I keep wondering why the shooter had a different color backpack than the one Mangione was caught with. The jacket and hoodie seemed like they were potentially different, but the nose and eyebrows matched.