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For context, as a writer at The Atlantic described it:
The negotiators displayed mainly incompetence, as well as cringeworthy servility to their master in the White House. Trump’s part, though, was pure malignity. Shortly after the meeting ended, he criticized Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, lied about the latter’s polling numbers, and said, in a particularly callous remark, that Ukraine had had a seat at the table for three years. How being invaded and having your civilians tortured, raped, and slaughtered counts as a seat at the table is beyond understanding.
It’s not beyond understanding. It’s corruption and treason. Putin is now POTUS when it comes to Ukraine, and NATO apparently
Putin is POTUS period.
Putin stand behind the man that stands in front of the president of the USA. Elon first, then Putin, then Dump.
What a democracy, the jewel of the free (market) world.
Elon is the governor. Putin is the emperor. Trump is the jester.
Jesters are the ones that tell the truth to the king without fear of execution. Trump couldn’t be a jester if he tried. He can’t joke or jape, he has nothing but hate in his heart.
Edit: I forgot to add that he is pathologically unable to actually tell the truth, the most important part of the jesters job.
Elon first, then Putin, then Dump.
Very disrespectful to leave out Saudi Arabia here.
It’s a seat at Hannibal Lector’s table.
Putin has repeatedly said that Zelensky is illegitimate and would not negotiate with him. Guess who isn’t invited to this particular set of negotiations?
The US has opened negotiations in a strong position by giving one side everything they asked for, to the point that the Russians are trying to figure out what else they can get away with.
When Trump eventually concludes negations it’ll be every bit as hollow as Bush standing on an aircraft carrier with a mission accomplished banner behind him. Trump will demand a Noble prize, just like the one Obama got. Peace will not be achieved.
No, it’ll be worse. Trump will use this as a way to remove all sanctions from Russia. He will basically try to reinstate Putin as part of the world economy. After this war of aggression, after all this destruction and death, Trump wants to brush Putin off and put a Halo on it.
Fuck that orange shit stain.
Just wait until he starts selling F35s to Russia
On the time line we got… Possible
It is not a negotiation if the partners making the deal is not included.
Trump just looking for what he can win from this. He does not care if the deal is fair.
That isn’t the point of these talks. Trump, has no ideology other than what makes Trump look good. I’m that vein, these talks will
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Get Trump a Nobel prize for ending an “intractable” war. Suck it Obama.
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Stop sending money outside the US. Trump as far as I can tell has never had any friends. He can’t figure out why you would help any one who is worse off you than yourself.
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Which brings me to the final point. Putin, is on paper the stronger person in this conflict. Trump doesn’t see character as a useful trait, which in this comparison completely negates what ever Ukraine and Zelensky bring to the table. I don’t think any one knows why he likes the man so much, but Trump clearly wants to ingratiate himself with him, so he’s bending over backwards to give him what he wants.
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Trump thinks he’s some sort of great negotiator. Putin is laughing the whole time.
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Don’t worry about economic alienation, they’re already doing that themselves.
US is negotiating on behalf of Russia while EU is jerking off in the corner like a pathetic cuck.
Ukraine is so fucked and free world is a bunch of limp dick clowns.
Ukraine needs nukes.
Ukraine needs Nato membership.
Fuck Russia and fuck Trumpland for opposing it.
NATO is not happening now.
EU will NOT do what it takes. Germany’s ruling oligarch clan wants Russian gas back on, everyone else can get fucked.
Ukraine needs nuclear weapons to defend itself properly.
I hope they already started the assembly. Ukraine tried to play by the rules and look where it go it. Geopolitics at the end of the day who has the guns and will to use them.
“Oligarch clan” LMFAO. You’d rather tame a herd of cats.
Germany foreign policy or lack there of speaks for itself.
Like this? Like switching domestic heating over to heat pumps? Germany isn’t planning on using any fossil gas in the future, the stuff that will be left (because it cannot be avoided, e.g. as chemical feedstock, or to reduce iron ore) will be green hydrogen.
Also I’m sorry you don’t like Gepards, or Leopards. Or Lynxes. Big cats in general.
You haven’t been following the innumerable articles about German industries wringing their hands and moaning about the good old days of cheap energy. They might be cajoling the general public, but the corporations are suffering and having trouble adapting. Everything was designed around cheap Russian gas. And they’ve thrown all of their nuclear infrastructure away because of their rabid ecologist party (which has in part contaminated their French neighbours).
Nuclear is no replacement for the critical uses of gas, noone wants to build it anyway because it’s expensive AF, and yes of course companies are moaning. They always are.
A full 1/3rd of German gas use is domestic heating which is getting replaced by heat pumps now, up to 70% of the replacement costs get covered by the state. Because, apparently, Germany wants to stick with Russian gas? Meanwhile, French industry uses ballpark the same amount of gas as the German industry. Yet noone is talking about the French industry controlling the French state, making them bow to Russians.
The fuck are you people talking about. What parallel dimension are you living in.
- Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza with direct support from Germany
- Ukraine is losing the war to Russian in part because Germany’s support has been spotty at best.
- US maintains 40k troops within Germany to defend it against Russia when Germany can barely slap two operational brigades for deployment while spending similar tomoney to France who actually maintains a proper defense posture. Who is stealing all this defense money?
- Completely irrelevant to the topic at hand
- Neither is Ukraine losing nor has the support been spotty. It could certainly be more intense, but it has been steady.
- Where is what money? Our defence budget has been a joke for ages.
Go back to lemmygrad, FUD there.
What is the eu supposed to do? Unlike the US our hand down equipment is shet, ukraine doesn’t want it unlike the us stockpile? So we have and will fund the war!
The unfortunate and sensitive truth of the war is, that russia has to “win”! It does if doesn’t want to repeat the October revolution! The thing is it can’t, what do you think what the fuck would happen if Ukraine got its nukes and strategic bomber fleet back bec russia broke the budapest accord? That Putin would shy away from a nuclear war if his gilded throne starts shaking?
If EU wants to be treated like a global player, EU should be deploying in Ukraine. Defeat Russia in its own back yard.
Then EU can start demanding to be treated like equal patner vis a vis US
That’s the thing about credibility, it requires hard sick power and result. None of which EU shown thus far.
Trump exposed EU for being weak as bitches and instead of EU doing the thing, they do more sumits and thoughts and prayers.
Nobody is stopping anynof EU member states to deploy in Ukraine. Russia got Koreans helping the JFC…
I’ll make you recall this comment when a Russian bomb tore your place apart just because the EU started to be credible.
There are 450m EU citizens at risk. Those are the ones the EU member countries have to care about. Yeah, we hate what Putin did to UA but our priority is EU first and there’s nothing wrong about that.
Deploying EU troops on UA territory and let them fight Russian soldiers directly will be seen as an act of war. That’s not yet another red line that Russia set up and people ignored. Putin will warm up whatever nukes he has left - not as a threat but as a weapon to use.
And then what? Would you risk everything just to prove what a mean boy you are?
Tuck that dick for Putin harder, boy.
Clearly Europeans forgot their own history.
Pathetic.
Oh we remember our history very clearly. We are currently in the most peaceful period of our continent since its colonization. And we clearly need that peace because the last wars on this continent were more bloodier and deathly than the ones before.
If Europe decides to return to ye old days there won’t just be a litte squabble at the edges - WW3 will happen! Don’t you realize that?
Would you have your own country’s military deploy in Ukraine? Would you, personally, go help Ukrainians fight the Russian invaders? This ain’t age of empires. In the real world, nobody wants to go to war. This is why in a democracy, elected leaders might hesitate whereas dictators don’t really mind spending a few thousand lives to make a point.
Because you americans sent your troops in? Need I remind you again that while your are handing down your worn out military equipment, we are going into debt to fund the Ukrainian war?
But I am going to ask you once again to think about what you typed! Oki, eu goes in with the troops, now what? Putin leader of strong big russian war machine, who by his own propaganda does claims to be able to rekt nato in it’s entirety, is not only threatened by the shame of not being capable of dealing with small poor ukraine and recreating the conditions of the oktober revolution but an actual invasion of a wildly superior force? Nuclear war! Nuclear war that will destroy all of europe including that of ukraine! But you don’t live here do you? Why would you care for hundreds of millions of lives here you american cunt!
I know this is going to be a strange concept for you, an american cunt, but the eu does not want to become a colonialist power! Unlike you american fucks we don’t want to risk nuclear armageddon so that your collective minuscular cock seems ever little larger!
Eeasier there with a melt down dear.
Righties, claim that the other has a meltdown so that you don’t have to address their argument… This is sad mate!
Nobody else needs nukes they need to partner up with someone who has them.
Who is that going to be for Ukraine?
Note that Ukraine is being fucked over by three nuclear powered states currently…
Nato.
Dude the nato is lead by the US!
The EU membership also entails a mutual def agreement!
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It wasn’t even that long ago that the news was reporting on Russian troops massing on the border for a “training exercise”. How the fuck do people forget that Russia was undeniably the aggressor in this conflict?
Only Trump did I think.
The war dates before that. Since 2014 Russia had snipers in dombas.
Reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-qO42qjShg
Only Trump did I think.
Unfortunately not, have seen quite a few on here just today regurgitating the idea that the Ukraine goaded Russia into invading, so it’s like, Ukraine’s fault and they started it. Or something. Fuck I hate people, just absolutely no shame, reality is whatever the hell they want it to be I guess.
Well Ukraine shouldn’t dress like that. Showing their grain and warm water port for all to see. Everyone knew they were selling their grain to all sorts of people. They should’ve seen it coming really /s obviously
It’s complicated. Ukraine didn’t directly attack Russian people or infrastructure, but they did take actions that would have reduced Russia power, and Russia did consider that casus belli. From that perspective, Ukraine did start the war.
I don’t agree with this interpretation, and I think it is hard to square with “international law”, but it is a form of realpolitik that the U.S. has engaged in previously (and likely will in the future), overthrowing or manipulating Central and South American nations, in particular.
It doesn’t surprise me AT ALL, that Trump would buy into this interpretation. Even without his known Russian biases due to funding, he really doesn’t see the point or ethics or morality. For him it’s just about power and heirarchy, so realpolitik is his only possible perspective on how any government or leader should behave.
If this is how Trump negotiates, I think we cash see why he been bankrupt so many times
Yeah, if someone came to me negotiating like that I’d commit to never doing business with them.
Mate, I’d pick him any day off the week. He can take dodgy loans and I’ll clean him out
This is basically the logic everyone in his government uses to justify being there. They all get chewed up and spat out sooner or later.
Like, I’d agree under certain very narrow circumstances, but Zelensky is not in any of those.
I wish more people had this philosophy. Way too many people gravitate to being doormats instead.
From the view of Putler, this episode of the war is ending, so that the next can start in a few years… Trump can’t plan more than 7 days ahead…
“The USA should have never attacked Pearl Harbor and Japan!”
Damn japan did nothing wrong? /j
Those ships exploding could really have been dangerous to those low flying planes overhead. Very inconsiderate from the US people. Typical.
‘Stupid’ just doesn’t encompass his complete and utter ineptitude
Unworthy of living could sum it up to some people
He knows it isn’t true
His supporters know it, too.
I’m close enough to being American to understand most of their things, but deliberately electing a president that’s as bad as possible to spite certain other Americans still seems like bizarre logic.
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Putin started it in 2014 by annexing Crimea and violating Ukraine’s sovereignty. That Ukrainians decided to depose Yanukovych was none of Russia’s business.
Yakukovych was democratically elected 🤡
Crimea voted to join Russia 🤡
Yakuovych was democratically elected. It just turned out he was a giant liar and a treasonous bastard for which he was sacked
How many times did he hate to cheat the ection to get it right?
You’re making fun of the people who use those ridiculous statements as arguments, right?
Did Trump send Ukraine weapons that Obama and Biden withheld?
“The weapons that Ukraine used in the early days of this war to fend off the Russian invasion are the weapons that Donald Trump sent, that Barack Obama and Joe Biden had refused to send,” Cotton said.
Cotton spokesperson Patrick McCann told PolitiFact that Cotton was referring to Javelins, antiarmor missiles provided by the Trump administration. In 2014, Obama rejected a request by Ukraine for those weapons. Biden was Obama’s vice president.
Trump reversed Obama’s policy; in 2018, the Trump administration approved a plan to sell Ukraine Javelin missiles for $47 million.
“As you can see, it is clear that this form of lethal aid was both important and provided by the Trump administration and not the Obama-Biden one,” McCann said.
That’s from Tom Cotton, one of Trump’s fiercest advocates.
They were for the Ukraine War before they were against it. Pure shills for the MIC. They’re only running away from Ukraine now that the conflict has gone south and they can’t preen in front of a Mission Accomplished banner on this one.
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Damned Poles and their radio stations.
1939 Gleiwitz. Schlesien.
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I wonder why countries bordering Russia want to join NATO
After what NATO did to Libya you might wonder why Russia doesn’t trust NATO.
NATO didn’t intervene in Lybia, it were just some NATO aligned countries.
If NATO did intervene, it would have included ALL NATO countries. As is the point of their pact. If one is at war, they all combine forces.
Since plenty of NATO countries abstained, it is therefore no NATO intervention.
But you rather spew Russian disinformation, don’t you?
Not sure who asked them to.
And how did it turn out?
How did what turn out?
NATO’s intervention in Libya? Things haven’t been great for them, if you haven’t noticed.
What does NATO’s intervention in Libya have to do with countries bordering Russia wanting to join NATO?
This argument doesn’t make sense. Even if you do accept that NATO is not purely defensive because of what happened in Libya, blaming NATO for Russia invading another country that isn’t in NATO makes as much sense as me blaming my brother John for the fact that my other brother Robert was beating his wife, and then violently taking it out on John.
And that’s ignoring the reason NATO is expanding. It expands when new countries decide they want to join it. And countries at present are wanting to join it because they feel threatened by Russia. The reason for its expansion is Russia’s aggression, so to turn back and blame NATO for Russia’s aggression is completely backwards.
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Vague statement from you, what details are you going to give us?
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It’s “super complicated” Russia thought stealing the rest of Ukraine would be as easy as stealing they did in 14.
It is more complicated, many people don’t know about the years before and the power struggles between oligarchs, riots, and assassination plots (it’s wild to me to just hire someone who has tried to kill you before). The media fails to give the proper context to put the events into perspective. However, Russia still invaded Ukraine without any reasonable justification, and this was an incredibly disingenuous thing to say.
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How is saying “Ukraine started the war” not disingenuous?
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Oh it appears I did so too
I wonder if things get bad enough, Ukraine would take a shot at Trump. Back to the wall and all.
It’s weird seeing memes that can be used by both the left and right with wildly different interpretations
Man I can’t remember the original meme/context to this one, can you help me out?
Thank you!
