Summary
Shortly after midnight early Saturday morning, the Supreme Court handed down a brief order forbidding the Trump administration from removing a group of Venezuelan immigrants from the United States without due process.
The ACLU claims “dozens or hundreds” were allegedly given an English-language document, despite the fact that many of them only speak Spanish.
The Supreme Court ruled the government must give any immigrant “notice and an opportunity to challenge their removal.”
The Court’s one-paragraph order states that “the Government is directed not to remove any member of the putative class of detainees from the United States until further order.”
Though it is just one order, Saturday’s post-midnight order suggests that the Court may no longer tolerate procedural shenanigans intended to evade meaningful judicial review.
They forfeited their power by making the President basically immune to prosecution, then they get all offended that he will ignore their orders.
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This is what drives me crazy.
Ok, the president is immune, the people that execute his orders are not.
If the courts started holding people under the president accountable for their actions there would be a change in the wind.
Yes, for the defeatists, holding those people accountable is complex and the president would just pardon them but, it would start a real process of the branches of government holding each other accountable.
The president also has unchecked pardon power. He’s already shown he’s willing to use it to pardon people who tried to overthrow the government for him.
We’re now going to spend the next decade plus arguing over what exactly entails ‘official acts’.
Technically they made themselves the arbiters of what constituents official duties of the president.
This is a very relevant point
Buys a house next to an airport, complains about aircraft noise.
Buys a house next to a night club, complains about loud music at night.
Gives the President full immunity because it’s the [R]ight thing to do, complains when he stops listening to them.
It’s all the same attitude from shitty people.
Irrelevant to this discussion but
Buys a house next to an airport, complains about aircraft noise.
Buys a house next to a night club, complains about loud music at night.
With the housing crisis in some countries people just have to accept all the housing they can get or live on the streets. Doesn’t mean they cant complain about noise.
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“I swear if you blatantly disregard like 12 or 13 more rulings and we’re totally gonna get super duper serious!”
-SCOTUS I guess?
“Signals”, “might”.
Next up is the wagging finger, furrowed brow, and tersely worded letter.
Dont forget the interpretive dance!
I’ll believe it when he suffers literally any consequences.
One of the Supreme Court judges will go to Trump’s house and beat the crap out of him
I wish Ginsburg were still around. She was old and weak but I don’t think she would turn down the opportunity to shank this fucker. And the mental image of it brings me perverse pleasure.
Stop elevating that woman. In her 27 years, she only hired a single black clerk. Her refusal to step down in ailing health ensured the republicans got a SCOTUS pick. A stubborn, racist geriatric clinging onto the power of the democratic party - only to lose it all and shit on your entire legacy: where have I heard this one before?
Never trust an official of the United States of Amerikkka.
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“Keep this up, and I swear we’re gonna leave a very harsh voice-mail on your phone!”
Are ya gonna bark all day little doggie, or are you gonna bite?
They bark all they want but they can’t bite. They need the executive to enforce their decisions. Ain’t happening. Thanks Citizens United. Oh, wait, they decided that.
I’m profoundly disinterested in what cannot be done.
I am intensely interested in the collective American response to their President being an existential threat, specifically by doing what cannot be done, with absolutely no evidence that it was difficult to do in the first place.
I’ll believe it when I see it
So fucking sick of the doomer bullshit on Lemmy. Way beyond sus at this point.
Hugely republican GOP, working on a Saturday night at 1 am to vehemently fight against him.
Fuck anyone downplaying this. That’s literally Russia propaganda at the current moment.
It’s more cynical realism.
What actual consequences has Trump ever faced?
How has he reacted to every judicial order telling him he can;t do something?
I’ll be thrilled to see something actually stick to him, but I’m losing faith that anyone can actually make that happen.
are you fucking high??
trump literally reneged on sending this dude to a concentration camp by mistake and then bragged about it
Do you have a reference for the Saturday night thing? Or are you referring to the Supreme Court’s order? I couldn’t find anything about Congress unless I misunderstood
The article says:
Shortly after midnight early Saturday morning
So it’s probably what most of us would call “Friday night” but it’s still after midnight in fairness which is quite late.
Ah thanks. It was paywalled for me.
I think it will take both congress and judicial actually doing something to put me even a little bit at ease.
The court’s order wasn’t even unanimous.
Do you have a reference for the Saturday night thing?
They’re looking for excuses to dismiss things they don’t want to hear.
SCOTUS: You will abide by the lower court’s decision and facilitate the return of the man you admit was sent to a torture prison in El Salvador in error.
Trump’s White House: Yeah, no. He’s never coming back.
SCOTUS: …or else…?
Is that a real official communication from the White House?
The USA has always been far from perfect, but it was better when grown-ups were in charge.
I’m in my fifties and can’t remember a time when that was the case. It’s been greedy arseholes the whole time.
Never too late, guys.
Well, it’s not too late yet, anyway - but we’re damned close.
Anything is better than nothing, but when I get a pizza party instead of a raise, it still feels like it could be better. I guess give them yet another chance to show something? How many has it been now?
I’m sure the fascists will respect the courts. This time.
Call again once they have him in court, wearing a nice orange jump suit and heavy duty handcuffs.
Someone might be getting a strongly worded letter soon.
Don’t forget the clutching pearls.
Yeah but this presupposes that Trump can read.
Why would the Court be Losing Patience with someone who KEEPS IGNORING THEM? If it was ILLEGAL to Ignore the Court there would be Punishments!
Ignoring the court is a dereliction of his duty as president, so he would not be immune from contempt if the supreme Court criminally charged him, per their own parameters when they granted him partial immunity.
Eighty more earnings and they’re going to issue a strongly worded letter.
Edit: I meant warnings, but… This is actually better.
Legit question: what would you want the Supreme Court to do which is more extreme than a strongly-worded letter? Correct me if I’m wrong, but everything they do ultimately boils down to a letter which is more or less strongly worded.
You are correct. It falls on all of America, starting with the justice system, to recognize that order.
We need to save due process.
