What kind of narcissistic fuck refers to himself as “high value man”
It’s taking the piss out of Andrew Tate and the gullible guys that he’s convinced are superior to women.
From all the trending news articles, ten year old boys who got access to tik tok
it’s definitely not just the ten year olds that think this shit.
Mentally, they’re all still ten-year-olds.
Yeah, shittiest shit stains figured out they could blast on Tik Tok. And Tik Tok sees no problem inserting these videos between “why do we use cinnamon on everything” and “why is the sky blue”
iirc, doesn’t china explicitly not allow such shit on their version of tiktok? so it’s just letting america cut their own throat basically?
They’re probably just milking the market.
Just trying to get em while they’re young.
I still have both kidneys, so I’d say I’m pretty “high-value”
Gestures wildly at the men, many in positions of power, around the world, who very obviously would do that.
Same vibes when guys call themselves kings, or girls call themselves queens.
I’ve seen it in screenshots people have taken of posts from various “man-o-sphere” influencers on places like Twitter. Obviously the problem with them saying it is that none of the guys referring to themselves as such are actually worth knowing, let alone dating.
Just look at this thread. How many people in this thread are acting superior to her because she has an only fans or because of some other stupid reddit reason. The people are acting “high valued” and superior even if they dont say it. She’s literally using this comment to tell readers that these peoples opinions have no influence on her life, and all its doing is making them more upset. To me, that’s why this comic is funny
Yea, it’s kind of a shit show. When I posted there were no other comments yet.
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A manosphere twat, that’s who.
Leon Musk, for example.
Let me guess, someone who’s such an egregious self-important A-hole that they are unfuckable? But I’m just guessing.
The kind made of straw
Narcissus was always trying to dodge annoying suitors, so I don’t think he’d want to call himself high value in that context.
I love seeing these comics. You can always count on like 20 white males showing up asking how this is funny, that it’s a strawman, that pizzacake is terrible, blah blah blah.
The simple thing is, they are comics that give a flavor of the times. Males ARE acting this way. Is it a caricature of a scenario, sure, but that’s what a fucking comic is. Does it have to be “funny” in order to be a comic? No, there are political comics everywhere. Why does pizzacake only get this sort of ire? Is it because she’s calling out white males on the absurdity of their actions, and they don’t like it?
My advice? Chill TF out bros. It’s a comic. If you don’t like it, maybe you should talk to your buddies when they start acting like Andrew Taint’s mouthpiece. Toxic masculinity is a real issue. Sorry that it takes a fucking pizzacake comic to discuss it…
Crazy how many folks can’t scroll past something they aren’t interested in. And not thoughtful critiques. Just whining really. Their delicate eyes witnessed it, thus they were compelled to come make a comment.
I don’t think I’d ever find it appropriate to whine in the comments of a user’s post, over a post breaking no rules. I have, and would… just scroll by.
I don’t see “No Pizza Cake” in the rules… why would someone think it would just never show up?
I think it’s basically internet law at this point, if Pizzacake is posted, cranky men must make it known that they find her (and her comics) cRinGe and mEdiOcRe and also she’s a mAnHaTer (dontchaknow).
And yet they subscribe to her OF
No, they don’t.
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So you honestly think people who can’t stand her, subscribe to her OF?
Do you spend a lot of time on Fox News? What about Teslas? Do you have one? No? Big fan of Christianity? No? Well, that MUST mean you go to church! Right?
Where do you people find this broken logic?
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What I posted is what we like to call illustrative sarcasm.
And what is funny is that you think my illustrating your bad joke is a representation of what bothers me without ever having known who I am or what I’m about.
lol
I basically made you illustrate the argument against her by your own example.
I judge her on what she has said and done. You’ve judged me on who you need me to be so your opinion appears to be valid.
i mean, the best punishment for bad art is lack of engagement.
I don’t think pizzacake is a troll (as in makes bad comics so it gets negative engagement), but here we are.
People complaining about her in the comments actually helps her.
if you don’t like it, just move along, don’t give hold her in your head like that zen story about crossing the river with a girl.
I’ll be honest, I kinda wanted lemmy to not have the same mentality as the audience of r/comics who just straight up hate all men. But it looks like these comments are kind of a warzone. I wonder if the mods from that sub have any power here? They defend her from even polite and constructive criticism.
Bro, I wouldn’t call this “hate all men” content. If you think all men (or even a majority of men) are like that guy, you need to rework your thought patterns.
I was similarly disappointed. This kind of humor isn’t funny at all. It’s just a made up scenario to trigger people. I can’t prove that it’s b8 but, if it’s not, it’s damn close.
This comic is neither funny nor thoughtful. I’d say it’s getting the critique it deserves.
And not thoughtful critiques. Just whining really
So just scroll past it if you don’t like it?
Feeling called out?
Are you? I haven’t whined on this post, so that’s a weird accusation to make. Methinks you’re projecting, sorry your delicate eyes witnessed an opinion you don’t like.
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You forgot her threatening to sue a subreddit for critizing and making fun of her comics. There’s a reason why some people don’t want her comics here, and that’s because she’s toxic as fuck
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Weird how people get so parasocially attached to others, to the point of whiite knighting
thou doth protest too much!
I couldn’t give a flying shit about the artist.
I just enjoy poking at the incels that clearly feel emboldened to flame the threads every time PCC gets posted.
I mean, it’s literally every single post. It’s getting old and boring. So, I made the bingo card to spice the turd stew up that y’all make.
is it not hot enough for you? don’t worry, I’ll make it extra spicy for you next time 😘.
What’s old and boring is PCC’s fan army defending her and her mediocre comics (while simping her OF) at every turn, being just as toxic as her.
Make it spicy how? You gonna sue me like PCC tried to sue a subreddit for critizing her comics?
The only people mentioning her OF are guys like you who get riled up when someone does sex work to pay their bills. Please tell me where she so relentlessly advertises her nudes in her comics and where people in this thread “simp” (and I don’t mean defending the fact that she has one) for her OF.
“Criticism = incel” is a great, quick litmus test for identifying shitty people.
The irony is that the vast majority of people who use “incel” as an insult also tend to dissonantly believe that value judgments of women based on virginity are immoral, lol.
They do this every time someone posts a Pizzacake comic, it’s very strange.
Yeah, but to be fair, the threads linked here from r/BHJ are Chernobyl-level toxic, and they seem to think they’re the victims.
I think I saw three of them in the comments already!
Don’t know the artist besides what hits the front page here
Isn’t it kind of fucking awesome that douchebags are getting owned?
I’m happy to be honest, I agree with some of these (obv not the bitch slut or nazi ones). You need another square pointing out how the r/comics mods defend her to a kind of insane level, and definitely give her preferential treatment over other comic artists.
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I’d say four of these are accurate.
I feel like this is one of those conversations you make up in your head and it’s kinda cringe to write it down.
From my experience men often underestimate how often women face weirdos. While the whole conversation might happen only in authors head the initial comment of the guy is quite a regular thing. It is a form of bullying. The rest of the conversation might happen in the authors head only, but it’s sad that women have to face such behavior in the first place IMO. If you don’t think such conversation happens at all, you might get enlightened by the everyday sexism project, the related (audio)book, or just ask a friendly woman around you if they ever faced it. https://everydaysexism.com/
Actually it is a regular thing among the asshole “manosphere” crowd (i.e. the pathetic fucking losersphere).
You’ve had this conversation?
No but I’ve seen it. I’m not a manosphere wacko
I brought up an example of a specific sexist and controlling behavior I observed (guys holding their wives or girlfriends by the neck while walking across the street, like they were steering a chicken) in a meetup group and all the men around me said they had never seen it. The two women said they both had experienced it.
Repeat this a thousand and one times with other behavior I and presumably you, as men, will never have to experience but are just as real.
There is a whole generation of men being indoctrinated right now that believe women shouldn’t have any rights. Most feminist women on Instagram that I have seen have gotten a multitude of rape and murder threats.
It is nice for you if you never noticed the rampant sexism and general hatefulness that people on the internet show against any minorities they find but I’ve seen several instances of similar exchanges as shown in this comic just in the last two weeks.
Sure, misogyny exists. I’m talking about somebody referring to themselves as “high value” and calling the person they’re talking to a “loud-mouthed, opinionated wench”. It’s just really heavy-handed dialogue.
Those people unironically say stuff like “I wouldn’t even rape you” and call women that don’t look like they are about to die of anorexia fat. They exist in spades, Lemmy just isn’t the right kind of social media for those people to come out with such stuff (except for maybe this post).
No, but I thought about having it, so basically the same thing, eh?
I can see this as a twitter exchange for sure but irl it seems very shower thoughtesque. It could be that a very online person framed it as an irl thing and that what’s jarring.
Then again I am not a woman and cannot speak to that experience.
Why is a typically online interaction being shown as if in person so jarring? If anything, the interaction happening online where they would be unlikely to date anyways makes it even weirder when someone says it.
That is true it is weird af online too. Such a weird thing the way online and in person discourse is so divergent.
Just look at this thread. People are out in force acting superior to her and putting her down for having an only fans. Theyre providing unsolicited feedback, acting “high valued” without even realize theyre doing it. This comic is showing how she sees the unsolicited feedback from these people on the internet, and calls it out as it is, inconsequential to her life. And what do those very same people do? Get even more upset.
Frankly, i knew nothing about this lady before this thread happened. It’s been a wild ride for me to follow
I didn’t even realize she did nudes in her patreon until someone mentioned it. He of course totally hates it but periodically checks on it (to see if its still there and shes still doing it) using a website that skips the paywall.
Big shower-arguement energy for sure.
When you consider the source….
Turns out, lemmy has a massive misogyny problem going on ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yep. Came to the comments and immediately saw they were out in force. I mod !WomensStuff@lazysoci.al and although the majority of men who’ve turned up have been great, we’ve had some misogynists mansplaining and being petty. Fortunately we’re women only
Lol i saw over 300 comments and thought “the real comedy is gonna be all the tears”
And by gawd theres a whole evening’s worth of laughs here.
Wooo! Keep em coming boys!
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I’m not talking about people not thinking this is funny.
I’m talking about people saying the situation in the comic is entirely fictional and doesn’t regularly happen to women especially online.
People who say this is manufactured to make men look bad because women hate all men obviously.
Who here in the comments is saying anything that would justify your accusation? All I’m seeing is people saying the comic is cringe and mid and exaggerated, not that it’s the tip of the propaganda spear of some misandrist defamation conspiracy.
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I’m not, because I share that identity and am culturally allowed to joke about it, but still don’t find your joke funny.
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This dog shit comic being spammed on *eddit was a good reason to leave that shithole
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It’s for wh€n you hat€ someth*ng so much that you treat it as a sluπ. If you don’t like it that’s fine but as people who dislike pizzacake should do move on or block it.
“Self-censorship” like when PCC author threatened to sue a subreddit for critizing her and making fun of her comics
Say the n-word then
Well something similar happened that haunts my childhood till this day.
The great thing about lemmy is that if you don’t like a post, there is another one under it.
I guess you should just leave instead of posting shit comments.
I don’t see what’s dogshit about it. Maybe you just don’t like it?
Fits the current comic btw.
I don’t think this is the right place for you then either. Maybe try X or “Truth” Social?
Excuse you. Liking pizzacake is not a prerequisite to be a sane normal person.
IKR, that’s like the ultimate reddit opinion to have. 😂
So, if someone disagrees with your opinion of PizzaShit, they’re somehow a conservative?
Jesus fucking Christ. This is truly r/comics Al over again.
Pot: Meet kettle.
Jfc. You can’t make this up
Wait, so- in a different discussion where you removed your downvoted comments that were arguing something similar… you were right, but here where the same point could be made, it’s wrong? Let me refresh you, because the you didn’t remove the one that had positive voting:
If nazzis and I agree 1+1 makes 2 that doesn’t mean we’re all Nazzis.
So if we change “nazzis” (Nazis) to conservatives….
Well, I guess we finally see what happens when the pot meets the kettle, don’t we.
she’s had some real shitty opinions but she’s generally in the right ballpark.
Yeah, on this topic I feel like she’s in the ballpark. My girlfriend and I game in the same spaces but we don’t always announce that we are together IRL for privacy sake. And we are both very independent people.
The amount of weird dudes she’s ran into that have used “high value man” or “high value woman” is absolutely more than one. They’re pretty common to bump into in online spaces.
The last time she ran into a problem with a dude like this—she read me the chat as it was going down. The guy was clearly into her but couldn’t handle that she was taken and had no interest. So, this random dude proceeded to call me a cuck (hahaha), asked if I “knew what she was up to” (gaming? lol), and that no high value man would want her! He did this in a public gaming space too and about 50 people thankfully dog piled and ratioed him into oblivion.
Oh well! I guess she’s stuck with “her low value cuck man” who makes her coffee in bed every morning and with whom she raised a cute and healthy family with. She’s allowed to do whatever she wants and her male doesn’t even try to control her. How horrible! She’ll never recover!
These dudes are dangerous in numbers. Which is why they deserve and need to be mocked mercilessly until they fuck off or get therapy.
Which is why they deserve and need to be mocked mercilessly until they fuck off or get therapy.
I’m doing my part. 🫡
Actually, I missed this thread.
I generally agree with her opinions, but there’s more to thinking a comic is good than pointing at it and going “wow i think that too.” They always just seem like super generic “relatable” jokes, and it’s crazy that they always get 50 billion upvotes.
low hanging fruit is low hanging fruit for a reason. it’s accessible.
Honestly, who didn’t?
The only comic of hers that I’ve found morally objectionable was years ago now, and framed around complaining about her kids.
It had thousands of downvotes (on reddit) and all the comments were calling her out for being entierly responsible for her situation as a parent, and telling her to suck it up and step up because bitching out her kids like that was damaging them, unproductive and absolutely not funny.
Out of the thousands of comic panels of hers that I’ve seen, that’s really not a bad track record at all.
she also downplayed male rape a while back. and doubled down on it.
Ah, ok yeah I didn’t see that one. That changes things s bit.
Lol. Dog shit comments like this being posted on reddit was a good reason to leave that shithole.
I’m not a fan of her comics, I just don’t find them very funny. But the level of unconstructive hate she gets is absurd. Just move on if you don’t like the comics. If you really dislike them, just block the user or community. It’s not hard. Grow up.
we don’t want you here
Fun fact: no one is forcing you to read comics you dislike! If you don’t like a post, you are allowed to scroll past it.
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You sound decaffeinated.
I’d suggest 4chan as a more suitable alternative buuuuut…
Who is pizzacake and why do so many commenters dislike them?
From the comments, it seems the artist herself isn’t well liked.
From knowing nothing about the artist, but having seen a huge bulk of these comics: Maybe they’re incels. 🤷🏻♂️ These do tend to be about toxic masculinity and just bad male behavior in general. It’s like seeing a Republican hating someone because that someone they hate calls out Republican bullshit. Considering the vagueness of the hate expressed in the thread, I am leaning toward this being the actual case.
Or maybe because she threatened illegitimate DMCA take downs of parodies on r/bonehurtingjuice resulting in mass censorship of any criticism of the fact that one of her comics was insensitive to victims of male sexual assault.
https://www.reddit.com/r/bonehurtingjuice/comments/1ggn4a6/pizzacake_posts_are_now_banned/
Yeah… Based on all the relevant info and links there, I definitely don’t think the hate is actually based on “illegitimate DMCA” takedown requests.
Yeah, no. A male SA survivor expressed sincere perspective, claiming the original comic insensitive. It was the top comment before it was removed with many other responses. Just read the posts linked in the comment below the one I shared. It’s not incel garbage (mostly), she’s an intolerable Karen. She’s got the mods censoring that sub, it’s one of the reasons I left reddit. (I’ve been banned multiple times for expressing these facts.) They ban people for being critical. I think hating her for being unfunny or having an only fans is dumb. On the other hand, hating on her for being an unapologetic asshole is fine. She’s earned it.
Edit: just read the convo
https://www.reddit.com/r/bonehurtingjuice/comments/1ggn4a6/comment/lurmced/
literally reads the thing they linked and still doesn’t agree with them
“Bro just read it until you agree with me.”
Just read it again, but harder. Then you’ll agree!
Don’t they lock your ability to make new accounts when you get banned?
They reversed my ban from the comics sub after appealing.
It’s still extremely problematic that this being painted as incels vs pizza. She has had bad takes on free health care, male survivors, and equating all criticism to misogynistic haters. She doubles down and never argues in good faith.
I really like BHJ. It’s fun and chill. She just didn’t like that people were being critical of her takes. The mods were actively removing hateful content and responses. They expressed willingness to help remove any offending content.
Now, you can’t even mention her name on the sub without threat of ban. It’s ridiculous that she’d try DMCA against something so clearly fair use. Weaponizing it like that isn’t even legal. The mods couldn’t be bothered to fight it though.
I politically agree with her mostly and find some of her comics sincerely funny, but she’s still being a dick.
Toxic PCC fans strong on Lemmy already? This community is a lost cause
“It’s about journalism, dammit!”
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I have no idea what their deal is but one comic sure did cause a lot of butthurt.
Being a misogynist overbearing male asshole makes one unfuckable. They are the probably bitter about having that obvious truth pointed out to their dumb asses.
For real. Their ideaology is so twisted. They think that in order to attract women, they should be a what a man’s idea of an attractive man is. And instead, being what a woman would find attractive is somehow… gay? Like, I just don’t get it, like there’s a very fundamental misunderstanding of what it is they are trying to do. Very square peg in a round hole situation.
The art is incredibly bland, the points they make are very surface level, and the artist is an awful person.
So many people think they’re owning the libs or whatever by posting them.
Some people just seem to find low hanging fruit to their tastes.
No idea why, though if I had to guess, it’s probably because it takes no effort to understand any of it.
Like how children play with blocks. They’re easy.
That’s a very good way of putting it.
She’s very reddit
Have a good read, it’s interesting if you like manufactured drama for the sake of publicity.
Huh, that comic and the responses makes me realize how much people can’t notice their own blind spots, including within the comic itself.
Like in this section with people saying it’s exaggerated or nobody actually talks like that (because they don’t ever perceive it in real life and it seems to ridiculous to be real), and the comic referenced in your link where she says if men were responded to that way, because she apparently can’t see that it is how men are responded to for many of those things, because she’s so used to seeing women as the victims of that stuff perpetrated by mostly men (which is reasonable! What situations would she see the opposite?). What’s telling, though, is the way one side pegs her as a misandrist for it and shit on her work and herself for it, and the other side pegs those for being misogynist for taking issue with her (though, in fairness, some are and will hate on anything by a woman discussing problems for women).
Basically, I feel like this is two groups yelling past each other and being upset about the same issue: gender-based mistreatment. But another key thing is… well, the guys who happen across her comics should recognize that it’s a comic equivalent of TwoXChromosomes from Reddit: it’s by a woman, largely for women, and you should either skip it or read it for a glimpse of a perception you normally don’t experience, not something to argue over. And the women, just like with 2X, should take this stuff with a grain of salt (especially when someone presumes to know what men’s experiences are). Stuff is exaggerated to pinpoint an issue, but you shouldn’t let it poison your view of the world (or men).
Basically, I feel like there’s value in comics like PizzaCake’s, but the heavy commenting should be expected, not hated on. The most value people can get from it would be hearing other perspectives without insulting them for having a different one than your own. Except the actual misogynists (and misandists), they can fuck off, but I think it’s worth giving the benefit of the doubt to start.
I saw that thread and honestly wanted to comment something like this, but I thought it would be better to let it go unsaid.
And she refused to even acknowledge that she might suffer from the same blind spot she is accusing others of.
Edit: the archive link : https://archive.is/xfVPD
well, the guys who happen across her comics should recognize that it’s a comic equivalent of TwoXChromosomes from Reddit: it’s by a woman, largely for women, and you should either skip it or read it for a glimpse of a perception you normally don’t experience, not something to argue over.
So, to cite the devil, as men should not interject in women’s spaces when misandrist tropes are being normalised there, so women should not interject in men’s spaces when men are normalising misogyny.
I don’t know about you but I don’t think that’s the solution to society’s issues. In fact, we should have a standard of both sides policing their own spaces against harmful tropes.
Probably misogyny.
Why is it that everytime I see this artist nowadays it’s just a preachy kill-a-strawman comic? I remember them being funny back in the day, what happened? Did they change, did I? Am I mistaking a shite copycat for an artist I remember fondly? Is this what senility feels like? How was your day?
Is it really a strawman when we see actual headlines about public figures acting this way?
A strawman? What the fuck are you talking about?
He apparently identified with the arrogant man in the comic.
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you see, when somebody says something mean to you online, spending your time on 4-panel is the best way to prove how not mad you are, consult some Dobson webcomics if you need examples.
I remember them being funny back in the day, what happened?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/hidden-motives/201203/unreliable-memory
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Honestly if someone is referring to themselves as “high value” anything then it’s pretty clearly a low value thought. Doesn’t really matter who they are.
If they have anything of high value, it may be their component parts. Lightly used kidneys are at a premium right now.
This made me chuckle out loud thanks for sharing! Do you mind if I share it in !Witchesvspatriarchy@lemmy.ca
That is a very strange place.
Don’t make me cast a spell on you…
Can you cast fireball?
Very useful for a BBQ.
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Not an adherent of the six I’s i see
According to these commenters and bingo cards anyone who criticized this artist is an incel. To me she just makes mid borderline lame/cringe comics. Was happy not seeing her stuff after leaving Reddit lo and behold shes back with comics denoting imaginary scenarios without any punchlines. Go ahead and check a bingo square and call me an incel her work sucks.
Whats the joke here?
The green lady thinks “who’d pay for her nudes?” means “I won’t date you”
The fuck are you on about?
I didn’t mean to attract incels with my comment
Probably about PCC author having an onlyfans
Huh? I dont care who made the comic im just wondering what the actual punchline is.
Some men think women care about “value” of people when dating but instead women are either not looking for a relationship or not as objectifying as these men
The punchline is that women now use this dumb “value” idea to filter out who to even associate with in the first place, by just avoiding any guy who mentions this shit
I guess i just don’t like these type of comics. It’s akin to someone posting “Haterz r my motivatorz!” on facebook circa 2011
This is better imo, part of the punchline here is that she’s already married and is just fucking annoyed by this guy hitting on her in the most disrespectful way possible
That is basically what she does, yes.
The punchline is entirely self-referential. Or rather, there isn’t a punchline. This is a really basic exchange as could be found in the real comment sections of basically any woman posting photos of herself online.
Except that the person who draws this comic uses it primarily to advertise her OnlyFans, so somehow she’s connected annoyance with the constant promotion of her terrible joke-free comics with the same thing that that means all criticism of her is incel fury and not, yknow, people wanting comics to be promoted for how good they are rather than how entrenched her subscribers are.
I see now what everyone’s talking about, without really broaching the subject (without sounding totally incel). This sums is up nicely, although even including that she does OF will make some people call you the incel. At any rate, thank you
There’s no joke. People seem to enjoy feeling either superior or outraged or both and the name of the game is user engagement. That’s how you end up with this type of thing.
