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Before you reply to me directly please understand:
- The US overthrew democracy in the country I am from
- The US installed a fascist king with secret police that terrorized my family
- Once kicked out the US supported a dictator in the neighboring country where the other half of my family lived
- The US funded both sides of a war between my country and the neighboring one that led to mass civilian deaths, one side directly by giving a dictator weapons and cash and the other side clandestinely thru laundering money by selling drugs in Latin America
- Once they lost that war turned on the dictator in the neighboring country and invented reasons to illegally invade. Twice
- Toppled the regime and left a power vacuum that consumed all my family that lived there for literally hundreds of years.
- Created material conditions in the country my family is from that forced them to leave or die
You Americans are not the good guys, your country and government is evil to its core.
You had a choice OP
- Vote to maintain a bad status quo
- Vote to make things a billion times worse via fascism
- Start a revolution
Instead you chose secret option d. Make ‘both sides equally bad’ memes to justify the acceptance of fascism.
Always vote against the fascist. Or revolt.
All 3 points are wrong. 1 There is no status quo, they have demonstrably both gone further right. Which brings me to 2 2 There is only fascism and fascism-light. Genocide Joe also built the wall, deported massively more people:
Bombed civilians in Yemen and displaced half a million people there for his genocidal proxy.
And many mor scummy thing.
3 They will never have a revolution, only placate Trump and move even further to the right to win back some votes.
And people will take it, americans are pacified and harmless, some lame protests are not ‘revolution’.
Gullible AF as shown by the massive upvotes you get from the many libs here.
They will all be hearded back into the status quo sytem by Bernie or AOC the new sheepdog puppy in training to prevent revolution or a valid 3rd party.Sad that even a non-american as yourself, not confined to thinking inside the box can be this wrong.
The other side of the uniparty thinks like you and is refusing to admit their wrongs, how bad do you have to be to not be an alternative to fascists? All of them get what they deserve.The economic system in the US guarantees fascism, the rules are made up and votes are don’t matter.
I didn’t vote because I’m not American. They should revolt that is the only answer.
You supported a genocide.
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Dear Liberals,
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I am so glad I can’t see the bullshit from lemmy.world on my server
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Your economic system guarantees fascism. You can’t vote your way out of it. Capitalist modes of production inevitably concentrate power and lead to fascism. It is unavoidable.
actually this time it’ll be different, we just won’t have another crisis of capitalism that requires the stamping out of revolutionaries
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This is why revolution and working class organization is necessary.
Also funny when people complain about Leftists critiquing the Dems. Pre-election you said to wait, now it’s post election and the same complaints arise.
Blue MAGA: Its always never the time for criticism.
"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can’t agree with your methods of direct action;” who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a “more convenient season.”
Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection." - mlk jr
I try to remind people that we have no “Leftist” party or even a “Centre left” party anymore. We have Center right and far right now.
This fact doesn’t really invalidate the initial statement though.
We would not be experiencing what we are currently experiencing presently if the Dems won. This isn’t an endorsement of the Dems, just reality
I view voting as a means to steer us to possibilities. Revolution and change won’t come through the ballot box but who gets voted in can influence that one way or another.
gotta say, I’m extremely glad .world defederated from Hexbear. viewing this thread over here is night and day from looking at it on .ml and seeing The Smartest People in The Room say "ahh, so you just support trump then, got it
"I’ll never understand why those people quit reddit. What could their problem be with it?
Reddits just not their favorite flavor of boot anymore. They want federated boots.
They just have to infect every corner of everything with neoliberal garbage. Good thing they’re losing the war
not the only war they’re losing lmao
LOL I’m thinking the same thing, I looked at it logged on out .ml and its chock full of fantasy thinking
if I can’t criticize Dems before the election (that just ends up supporting trump) and I can’t criticize Dems after the election (that just ends up supporting trump), when CAN I criticize them? it seems like they just don’t want me criticizing them at all!!
What I learned from the memes I posted is that liberals just want a single party state
But not in a way that they would weild power and do any good for anyone. They want the American project to go on unimpeded but also for everyone to shut up about it.
That would be an improvement. They want to take breaks from power by having a fascist party to tag team with
Remember when everyone was terrified of ron desantis because he was “as evil as trump but a lot smarter”?
It’s a great way to plan for when Trump dies and libs need to scold people all over again.
Here’s the neat part, we’re not allowed any criticism to the Dems! As it’s always election season or post election season.
So there’s no time, just blindly accept who the DNC put forward without listening to the people they say they like!
This has to be the most brain dead community on Lemmy, still pulling this “Both sides” bullshit
I don’t know on which community we currently are, but this is the most accurate depiction of what’s actually going on. Democrats serve the corporate elite and don’t really bother turning it left.
You aren’t wrong in that the democrats prefer the status quo but it’s far from both sides being the same. If we have to pick a side, and if we are still pro democracy, we do, there is only one correct choice.
Now if we can convince that side to then use the victory to change the rules, then so be it. For example, Ranked choice voting would be great, but let’s get more states to use it before expecting the highest office in the land to adopt it.
we are still pro democracy, we do, there is only one correct choice.
Western “democracy” in a nutshell. Catch-22 could only dream of such absurdity.
pro democracy
one correct choice
Pick one.
Having a choice means being able to make the wrong one, as we did.
Now if we can convince that side to then use the victory to change the rules, then so be it.
The democrats are only in power for at most two years, and that’s assuming there’s no quislings like Lieberman or Fetterman or Manchin or Sinema in them. So they’ve barely got enough votes to move the needle on anything, and voting is low on the priority list.
And after two years the Republicans win one or both houses of Congress and maybe the presidency, and then undo everything.
This has been repeating my entire life, and now it’s getting to the fascist endgame.
The system itself is broken and failing. It’s not going to help us.
Stop with this braindead serve the elites meme. Dems last admin passed tons of left wing legislation that benefited everyone.
Genocide apologist
Yeah, Trump really was the better option for Gaza. Palestinians are so lucky to brave supporters like you fighting the American left and Israeli left on their behalf. Remember its the thought that counts, not the outcomes.
Trump’s brief, half-hearted ceasefire was already more than Democrats did.
And I take it from your claim that the Biden admin “benifited everyone” that you don’t see Palestinians as human in the first place
Firstly that ceasefire was negotiated by biden admin. Secondly when you’re talking about a government benefiting everyone its pretty obviously meaning their own citizens. Now that I known the error of my ways I’ll make sure to scream “what about Palestinians” when I hear someone refer to everyone.
Firstly that ceasefire was negotiated by biden admin
Nope, now you’re just straight up lying to defend genocide. You’re more of a scumbag than any MAGA chud.
Secondly when you’re talking about a government benefiting everyone its pretty obviously meaning their own citizens.
If you’re a fascist. Which I’m gathering you are.
Now that I known the error of my ways I’ll make sure to scream “what about Palestinians” when I hear someone refer to everyone.
Shitlibs will always throw a tantrum when you tell them that non-white foreigners are human.
Intersting, I do not remember any means of production being turned over to the workers? I dont remember a law passed to remove the scehdual F capabilities, I do not remember stuffing the supreme court in retaliation for Roe being overturned. Heck I do not even remember stufing the Postal board of governors so full that it would fire DeJoy and ensure a reasonable PMG for over a decade… Please enlighten me, what left wing actions must I look at
I said left not commie.
Other than the first one none of those are communist. As for left there is nothing more left than communist, it can be argued, and I would be one that unless you are willing to give the workers the means of production, you cannot be left.
Yes but the rest are pointless since saying they passed a ton of left wing legislation isnt countered by listing random events that they didnt do.
We can go through all the events if you want. Schedule F was removed via EO on day 3 by biden and two house bills were drafted, one to remove the Schedule F workers that were classified and after that failed another was drafted to try and protect the workers who were reclassified by trump.
Packing the court out of retaliation is bad and every attempt in recent history has failed and I cant be fucked researching 'stuffing the postal board of governors" so you can have that. Dam I guess dems passed no left wing policy because they didnt stuff the postal board of governors.
If you don’t like that party isnt 100% behind every single thing then the thing to do is focus on getting candiates you like in the states that have shit dems instead of trying to sink the entire party. If you sink the entire party you dont end up with more left wing legislation you end up with more right wing legislation.
The options you then present are basically “Every option is shit, vote for this option that doesnt exist and is unpopular with majority of the country”
All those left wing policies being implemented like:
Is significantly reducing the cost of life saving medicine and giving families $300 a month per kid not left wing policy?
You’re either incredibly uninformed or purposely undermining the left I can’t tell which.
the child tax credit only lasted one year, and the cost reduction was only for the elderly
child tax credit only lasted one year
not true at all
the cost reduction was only for the elderly
Not true and even if it was 100% elderly people it is still a bill that grants significantly cheaper drugs for 65million people of a demographic that is the most in need of perscription medication. Which is a objectively a good bill and furthers left wing ideals. If you dont agree I genuinely dont believe you are on the left since you actively want a worse world.
Are you getting your info from google AI summaries, im genuinely curious how you are so confidently wrong.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/09/politics/inflation-reduction-act-medicare-insulin-cap/index.html
Senior citizens and other Medicare enrollees can now get a break on the cost of their insulin.
They won’t pay more than $35 a month for each insulin prescription that’s covered by their Medicare Part D plan. And they won’t be subject to a deductible for insulin.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-budget-tax-child-tax-credit-ctc-eitc-who-qualifies/
The CTC isn’t a new tax credit — it’s been around since the 1990s. But as the nation struggled to emerge from the pandemic in 2021, lawmakers expanded the $2,000 credit to as much as $3,600. As part of that expansion, families received half of the CTC in monthly checks over six months, providing them with as much as $300 per child for each of those months.
That expanded tax benefit, which proved to be immensely popular with families, also helped lift millions of kids out of poverty. Once it expired in 2022, the poverty rate for children soared.
Not at all. Making families buy life-saving medicine, at whatever price, is in fact the opposite of left-wing policy. Universal, single-payer health care is just centrist policy in many countries.
It should be free. Don’t charge for life saving medicine.
It should be, but Americans still dont want universal healthcare. The last polling I saw had it at just over 50% supporting Universal healthcare. If you want to implement a huge change like universal healthcare you probably want to have at least 70% of the people on board. Otherwise you implement it and half the country tries to drag it down and make it unusable. Look at how the right wing in the UK is trying to destroy their national healthcare system.
The extra $300 per month would be a better argument if they tried to keep it going instead of letting it lapse…
Its ending under trump. The 1 year of significantly boosted CTC was government assistance given to people. The right wing version of that would have been tax cuts for business. Could he have passed legislation that kept ctc at that amount, probably not and it would likely be repealed by Trump. Just because something could be better doesn’t mean it isn’t good. If you use “it could be better” as an justification for something being bad then people can say the same thing about things you mention. Oh yeah he passed boosted CTC forever well he should have increased it more, he should have given to to all families, he should just give that money to everyone. Lets be realistic instead of delusional so things in the real world can actually get better.
It ended under Biden along with most of the benefit increases we got because of covid. It was bad enough to have a massive spike in child poverty after decreasing.
Lets be realistic instead of delusional so things in the real world can actually get better.
Except that’s not at all the case
Look at this guy, believing there’s actually 2 sides
The most braindead instance is still .world. It’s basically reddit in a nutshell
You might not have noticed but 90% of these posts come from the same user
Welcome to .ml, you’ll get the jokes now.
Democrats commit genocide and pretend to be sad about it. Republicans commit genocide and post the 🤣 emoji
Democrats commit genocide and post the🙏 emoji
Republicans commit genocide and post the 🤣 emoji
The Democrats suck but there’s a huge difference between voting for boring corporatists and 100% concentrated evil. Don’t make me tap the chart.
You can always count on @hamid@vegantheoryclub.org to get most rabbid libs stirred up and face their own contradictions (without taking away any insights from the posts themselves anyway lol)…
Literally every post that just puts the quiet part loud upsets them, lol. Please keep it up, love to see it.
The Democratic party is the Graveyard of Social Movements
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