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They chose to use a stock photo of a million dollars.
$5000 is only 2 and a half of those bundles of $20’s.
These people are trying to run propaganda for Trump, they can’t even keep their fascist bullshit straight.
but when you look through maga glasses, that’s what you see when a black single mom of 2 receives a wic voucher for a couple gallons of milk.
You see, its not one black mom, its the millions of moms getting subsidies!
Lets ignore the part where we somewhy have a million moms needing subsidies.
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Thank you! Maddening!
WE CAN’T DO THAT, IT’S LIKE PUNISHING THE MOMS WHO ALREADY HAD CHILDREN!!! /s
That’s the nice thing in a social democracy
When the next generations has better education, my pension fund will be more filled
In practice though, it seems people are the same kind of stupid…
That won’t even cover half of the (insured) cost of even the smoothest birth with my plan, and I work for a multi-billion dollar company.
This country, man. Having traveled abroad a bit, you start to realize how tunnel-visioned people stateside can get. Don’t even realize how much they/we are getting fleeced.
Having traveled abroad a bit, you start to realize how tunnel-visioned people stateside can get. Don’t even realize how much they/we are getting fleeced.
It’s the classic of someone having to visit a doctor while in Europe. And they’re always shocked at how cheap it is in comparison. Even people who know it’s much cheaper tend to think it’s like 50% , not 99-100% less. I had an emergency room visit with blood and urine testing, painkiller injection, private exam room, etc… It took a few hours and was about $25 that you could pay at a machine on your way out.
I was gonna day $5k is just a handout to insurance companies for just the birth of the baby.
Which is, well, the end of Republicans giving a shit about babies and children.
Oopsies, births cost $5k more now tee hee.
Meanwhile Id kill for those 5k bucks. But thats becausw the right to stay alive doesnt cost me a kidney
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Our deductible was about 6,500. It depends what kind of plan you’re on
I wouldn’t use the word “tunnel-visioned”. That implies focused on something and ignoring the things nearby.
I think it’s more accurate to say “ignorant”. Many, probably most Americans just have no clue about most things outside the USA. You’ve travelled abroad, most Americans have not. The US is such an insular society that people can get away with saying things like “Canadians hate their healthcare” and people actually believe them.
Agreed. Solid point
Better Idea, let’s fix the economy so people can afford to have Babies.
Or fix the world so we want to have Babies.
Or lower the price of housing so we have a place to put babies.
Or open forced breeding camps, shanty towns and and slave labor…oh wait.
Or open forced breeding camps, shanty towns and and slave labor…oh wait.
Mmm yes, Borrasca.
They just cut head start, slashed medicade(51% of us babies are born on this program), no medicade no pediatric care for your baby either, cut hud, slashed the department of education, blocked student loan forgiveness, are dismantling the aca preventative care mandate, gutting worker protections, canceling child labor laws, laid off 275,000 workers and destroyed their livelihood and tanked the economy ……yea the birth rate is going to plummet. 5k lol doesn’t even cover a fraction of the utter devastation coming to American families from these moronic policies. Who in their right mind would want to bring a child into this racist sexist tech bro oligarchy?
And all to fund tax cuts for the wealthy - who don’t need them.
Are you saying the game of achieving highscores for world’s richest person with ever higher numbers isn’t important? /s
yea the birth rate is going to plummet.
I’m not so sure. Impoverished countries have the highest birth rates. I can imagine the logic of the wealthy 0.001% being “if we make the rest of the country as broke as Somalia, the birth rate will also be as high as Somalia.”
The Headstart cut hurts a lot. I know people that gone to that when they were little and had nothing but good things to say.
5000$ is a lot. In Germany you get only 250€
well, that's
per month until they’re 27 (as long as they’re still in school/university)
plus free healthcare for mother and child
plus free daycare (depending on the state)
plus free schools and universities
…We can all hope once the nazis leave, we too can be a civilized country.
I’m with you here, but we need to keep in mind that the nazis never “leave”. We’ll need to forever and continually keep these bastards from power.
This was the whole problem, they’ve been here all along.
We thought we beat them in the civil war, they just hunkered down and changed the name of slavery to Jim crow.
Now they think this is their moment.
Same thoughts here. Once they’re beaten, no “reconstruction” can be offered this time around. They’ll need to re-assimilate into our society.
If it’s like the civil war, we’ll kick them out and then build statues and name bases after them.
You forgot maternity leave, something the 'mricans don’t know, either.
whats leave
The paid variety. You stay at home for a certain time for being a mom (or dad!), and you employer respectively the state still pays for it. Horrible, this “communism”, isn’t it?
i understand the individual words you use, but when you put them in that order my blood starts getting all bubbly and full of nitrogen. i think i’ll take a nap
To add on, seems like the 5k (USD) is a one-time lump sum. Your price quote from Germany is already 3k (EUR) after a year. It only ever outscales the 5k.
See. Let’s ping Trump and tell him about it.
Maybe he’ll see the light
You got me in the first half.
This wouldn’t even cover the hospital bill for most people lol.
And since hospitals know moms will be getting an extra 5k they will just add that into the cost somehow. /s
No need to put a /s there
It won’t even cover the cost of giving birth. This is some real “how much could a banana cost” energy.
Also, the cost of giving birth will magically jump up by $5,000 as soon as this passes. It was never a function of how much it cost to actually provide that service.
$8000 if the mother wants to hold her baby after birth
And you wanna take that baby home? Well there’s a few for that.
Clinton Floats $5,000 Baby Bond
~ September 28, 2007
It’s nice to know these two are still in touch.
put into an index fund over the last seventeen years, that $5k is now $30k. it was not a terrible idea.
Not on its face, no. I think it’s still a band-aid attached to a bigger problem of generational inequality. Public housing, education, and a large competitive public hiring sector would have gone much farther in rectifying poverty in the US.
But the extra insulting aspect of “Baby Bonds” is that they’re an idea dangled over a public hungry for economic reforms which never actually gets delivered. When liberals lose, they get to nag centrists and insist “We had all these good ideas but you were too racist and stupid to accept them”. When they win, we get an earful about how the federal courts, the super-majority Senate, the prior administration’s mid-level bureaucrats, the state legislatures, and two dozen of DC’s biggest lobbying firms all have to agree to go along with it or the reforms can’t pass.
Seems like Republicans are getting in on the same act, now that kitchen table liberalism is experiencing a popular resurgence.
It’s really gonna help to pay for diapers in an index fund.
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I think it sounds like a way to give a bunch of money to Wall Street so they can gamble with it
Totally original idea
https://www.npr.org/2024/08/15/nx-s1-5077776/kamala-harris-child-tax-credit-housing
The type of person who would think 5k for having a kid is a great deal is exactly the type of person conservatives would bitch about having kids and leeching all the other government resources.
Coincidentally, it’s also the exact type of person conservatives want having kids. They make up the majority of prison labor, military fodder, and wage slaves.
Trade:
- One person’s wages
For:
- Mortgage payments on a reasonably sized house
- All bills
- Food for two adults plus children
- Entertainment
Then you might see more babies.
It was their greed that caused this.
USA so shit they gotta pay people to make babies here
clearly this is meant to be read in an Uncle Roger voice right?
I had never heard of him until now
Thanks now I can’t get it out of my head
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In a lot of places 5K a month covers daycare, and not much more
To be fair that is the kind of place where the argument “move somewhere cheaper then if your income doesn’t match the cost of living” does have some merit. Oh, and fuck the employers who pay wages below the cost of living in their area.
Moving is incredibly expensive and you have to find a new job, which is hard as fuck for anything paying better than slave wages. I feel like shit like this is written by experienced coders, surgeons, people like that who can snap their fingers and have a different job.
The kind of places where daycare is 5K a month are probably the 5% most expensive areas in a first world country. If you don’t have a high paying job in those areas your job is very likely available elsewhere.
Or you have more than one kid.
Discussing cost for something like that per month but not per kid without mentioning the number of kids you are thinking of would be kind of weird.
$100k wtf? I only remember paying for parking at the hospital…evil socialism!
According to my halfassed search engine results, giving birth costs on average $18,000.
Just the cost of epidural, estimates range from $1000 to $3500 out of that cost.
As someone who lives in a country where giving birth is free that sounds absolutely insane to me. Are these birth costs in the US at least covered by common medical insurance or is it always that bad? It’s a miracle that the US birth rate is one of the highest in the western world when the conditions are like this…
After my son’s birth in 2006, we owed $12,000 after insurance. That was a single night’s stay in the hospital. Nothing out of the norm for the birth. We had to refinance the house the following year to pay off his and our daughter’s birth from 2005.
I think my hospital bills were around $5,000. What I didn’t anticipate was the fact that once my daughter was born I was paying hospital bills for me and for her. I think without insurance it was around 30k? So insurance covered 25,000 and we paid the rest
Not really, all the third world countries with no real system to pay for old age have high birthrates too.
American here. I don’t remember paying a dime for either of our kid’s birth. Don’t think we even had copays for the doctor.
I had a kid three years ago, we decided to get a higher premium health plan that specifically had excellent natal coverage. It’s one of the most expensive plans available to us but we didn’t pay anything for 9 months worth of prenatal visits plus 3 days in the hospital. The coverage statement said that delivery from the hospital was something like $28,000 but the first bill we actually saw that we had to pay was for a hearing test that was only partially covered.
An epidural doesn’t “cost” 3000€
A whole hospital stay for a normal uncomplicated birth in Germany (5 days) with Epidural is just 3600€ (that’s what the hospital gets paid, and most of them are for-profit in Germany)
Wages have not kept up with productivity and GDP increases since the 1970s.
How about making single income middle class families possible again, so you can have one stay at home parent.
Ironically, thats the exact idea behind the whole trade war thing. It has lead to TSMC already accelerating their plans to expand the Arizona microchip fabrication lab, which means… Factory jobs, the thing we used to have in the 70’s.
US economic output is more than adequate to achieve this already, but we choose instead to concentrate the benefits in the hands of a few.
Regarding tarrifs bringing back manufacturing: https://www.kcl.ac.uk/trumps-tariffs-what-is-behind-them-and-will-they-work “but this is very unlikely to work. Manufacturing has changed, with production now spread across multiple countries in so-called ‘global value chains’. Moving whole supply chains back to the US is going to be prohibitively expensive, result in rising consumer prices and make US-produced goods internationally uncompetitive. The model of manufacturing that underpins Trump’s approach simply hasn’t existed for the best part of 40 years, and is not coming back.”
That’s not going to solve anything because it’s going to make products more expensive, which is the ‘exact idea.’
Enrich American oligarchs instead of those abroad that might be giving us a better deal.
When last could a family in America raise two kids, have a stay at home parent, buy a house send them to college and still save for retirement on a single teachers salary. Most of the Abby boomers had that.
The problem is they are not moving the 500+ factories that feed that lab. They are not moving the over 100 raw mineral resources supply chains.
They are just moving the last few steps to the US.
They are doing this ass backwards.
