She’s one of only half a handful of Dems that sound ready to lead people into battle. The difference between how she uses knowledge and intelligence to speak to people is in stark comparison to Trump sounding exactly like he has dementia. She listens and responds. Trump just keeps interrupting any question he doesn’t like. Fuck you Maga. Fuck you entirely. You god damn idiots.
Funny what happens when you actually do something.
I would prefer a new party, but I’m glad that she and Bernie are still out there.
She’s one of like 3 US politicians that I don’t just kind of low-key actively hate.
Disagree. The Democrats dont know who they are anymore. Pelosi and the old Democrats have got to go.
AOC should just make a new party.
You’re not really disagreeing. AOC is perceived as the face of the democratic party and it’s true. She’s at least offering consistent resistance while the feckless leadership of the party does nothing but line their pockets and ensure 100 percent unconditional support of Israel to the determient of all else.
I don’t even disagree with your conclusions necessary, if it’s impossible to dislodge Pelosi and Schumer. But building a party from scratch is really fucking hard. Hijacking one might be easier.
They’re going to stay there making bank off of insider trading until they’re so ancient someone accidentally walks through and disperses the dust cloud known as Pelosi, and they finally decide they have enough money to reach supply-side Jesus.
Just insider trading? Those super pacs are the fucking Democrats and Republicans at this point. Greed itself is our new overlord, business ethics are dead and rotting.
Those super pacs are the fucking Democrats and Republicans at this point
they always have been. people have been pointing out how dems and republicans are two arms of the business party for a hundred years
Surely 3rd party will work this time!
You’re right. We need to get real. Those who support Democrats are just throwing their votes away. At this point, the Democratic Party has proven itself utterly incapable of winning a national election. Voting for Democrats is throwing your vote away. A vote for a Democrat is a vote for a Republican. We need to focus on real political parties like the Working Families Party that actually have a vision that they’re trying to fight for. Democrats don’t believe in anything. Democrats don’t even care about winning elections. A vote for a Democrat is a vote for MAGA. Centrists may not like voting for a progressive candidate, but they need to get over themselves. If centrists want to vote for Democrats, they’re choosing Fascism over Democracy.
At this juncture, a complete reboot seems necessary. The Constitution is old and more cumbersome than reasonable. We can do better.
Potentially with local elections first. Build it up from the ground up.
Not like the Green Party and Jill Stein’s goofy ass.
“MAKE A NEW PARTY!11111!!1”
That’s not how America works. Only Democrats and Republicans can actually get elected at the level AOC plays at, because the electoral college only recognizes Democrats and Republicans.
The Whigs are still on the ballot then, right? Since no new parties are ever made, and third parties can never win, it’s still Democratic-Republicans vs the Whigs in 2025, clearly.
That made me chuckle.
Thank you! :3
Thank you. A little mirth where we can find it is mandatory!
If I can’t laugh about something maddening, I’ll go even crazier. I already have 4 mental health issues, I don’t need to add more. My plate is full and I’m low on spoons.
I hear you, friend. I daresay too many share the experience. I’ve certainly been there, before, and I am in full accord. Make merry where we can, it lightens the load for a moment. Wishing you the best.
State level electoral reform, allowing more then two political parties to be viable.
I hope she will be successful in actually overtaking the party to some degree, as most high-ranking party members would certainly see that differently
If she jettisons neoliberalism and takes a stand against genocide and imperialism she could begin to make a difference.
Are they… Still considering Harris for 2028??? What? Please god. Make it stop. Please.
It’s.
Her.
Turn.
“It’s my turn.” was everything wrong with Hillary’s campaign in a nut shell.
How the fuck are you able to make yourself look like an unhinged ego-maniac who just wants to be President for the sake of being President, when you’re running against Trump? That shouldn’t be possible.
How the fuck are you able to make yourself look like an unhinged ego-maniac who just wants to be President for the sake of being President, when you’re running against Trump?
This isn’t a problem of Trumpism, it’s a naturally occurring brainworm in Americans broadly speaking. Trump’s a nasty dim-witted freak, so watching him climb to the top of the pile we’ve been raised to believe was a meritocracy causes all sorts of cognitive dissonance. But everyone running for President (except maybe Mike Gravel) ends up looking like this. The thing that separates the Obamas and Trumps from the Hillarys and McCains is whether cheering for the unhinged ego-maniac feels fun or not.
She’s just the most recent candidate. The most recent candidates, and most recent Presidents and Vice Presidents are almost always in these sorts of lists, especially in the weeks and months following an election, before the next campaign starts.
Joe Biden was a favorite in these sorts of polls in 2015/16, despite saying he wouldn’t run, because he was just VP.
I pray to the gods you are correct. Save this comment for 2028
HRC
Praise the lawd!
I have said this elsewhere, but i will not again vote for the Democratic Party until they actually put up progressive candidates. Not pinky swear to pass progressive policy. That means the candidates has to have a provable history of struggling against the Democratic Party to pass progressive policy. There are only two i know of and that’s Bernie Sanders (who is too old for the presidency), and AOC. Else it’s third party until the democrats learn better.
I will vote for the democrats if I am able to transfer my vote after my real choices dont win. Best get on that electoral reform blue states.
I will vote against genocide, even if it means voting for a lesser amount of genocide. I’ll never vote “no preference” on genocide.
OK, so your vote is for… hmm… “more genocide”, got it.
You do you. Though the platform was never ‘less genocide’ the platform was ‘an unwavering support of our ally in Israel’. It was an assumption that trump would be more genocidal, due to his inherent evil. But as far as i can see, trump so far has not escalated that situation any faster than the previous trajectory.
Seems to me that getting the democrats under control, and answering to progressive voters is the better long term play. Maybe they would actually then run on a no genocide platform. You can’t say ’don’t let perfect be the enemy of good’ when we are not even at neutral yet let alone good.
Ignorant? Troll? Both?
https://www.npr.org/2025/02/26/nx-s1-5309695/trump-gaza-video
I fail to see how a slap dash ‘AI’ self-fellating video showing something that will never happen and was an attempt at republicans propaganda to its own base changes the needle on the outcome of the genocide in Gaza. What ever fantasies trump or Biden or Harris has over Gaza is irrelevant. The genocide continues unabated, and there is no indication that things would have been any different. Unfortunately for you, one doesn’t have to be a troll to point out deficiencies in the Democratic Party. They lost twice to trump for god sake, and they do nothing to defend those he attacks right now. The democrats must change in order to stop the republicans
Mass disappearing immigrants and putting them in overseas concentration camps is more genocide than the democrats did.
That is not a genocide. I mean its evil and we should not stand for it. But lets not be hyperbolic over the term genocide. When we are talking about the genocide in Gaza, we are not being hyperbolic.
When looking over more then just the situation in Gaza, trump is undoubtedly worse then Biden. The issue is that choosing the lesser of two evils has brought us to this point, the only way to pass progressive policies is to use the leverage voters have to force democrats to comply. That means if democrats refuse to accept progressive terms, that republicans will consolidate power, and that would be bad. However, in such a scenario, ours and democrat loss would have been guaranteed regardless of a vocal call to task. The only power the progressive voter has is to leverage their vote against the threat the republicans face, and if you capitulate, then best case scenario is the can gets kicked down the road and the democrats become more right wing.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/james-clr/works/world/ch12.htm
One year after Hitler, Stalin and Otto Bauer were still hoping to come to terms with Fascism. Being what they were it is clear that before they had had actual experience of Hitler, the idea of the German workers fighting Fascism would not have crossed their minds. “After Hitler, our turn,” is the concentrated expression of bureaucratic inertia, cowardice, ignorance and short-sightedness, Stalin could not say openly what he meant. He had to dress it up in revolutionary words, to promise the deluded German workers that the revolution would come after Hitler had come to power.
We already tried accelerationism in the 1920s, genius.
It’s ironic that you accuse me of accelerationism, while you argue for a vote blue no matter who. Do you even know what accelerationism means? I do not advocate for democrats to lose the election, i advocate in having my votes be conditional to the furtherance of interests. The Democratic Party is the agent here, they are the ones who use accelerationist policy in an attempt get people to vote against their best interests, vote blue no matter who has always been a demand to silence progressive voices to meet right wing ‘centrist’ ‘half way’. My stance literally opposes democrat parties current accelerationism.
because nothing says America wants left wing government more clearly than electing the republicans!
That was a calculation made by democrat leadership. They banked on further alienating progressives for their donors, and to push for the Republican values they truly want. Every compromise against progressive platforms has been a full rightward tilt. They miscalculated the severity of their abandonment of progressive voters. Arguments to “vote blue no matter who” and “don’t let perfect be the enemy of good” are obfuscating the reality that we are here because of this rightward ratchet. And all progressive promises turn out to be lies convenient during an election. Blaming disenfranchised voters is an attempt to defer blame where Is doesn’t belong to maintain power, and is a losing strategy against republicans.
Exactly, it’s not the job of the voters to convince a party their interests are worth pursing, it is the job of the party to convince voters that they will pursue their interests.
Donor money alone can not win an election and a failure to engage with voters will sure as hell lose it.
That’s a lot of words to cover over your preposterous assertion that electing the neo fascists shows how America wants left wing government.
The Democratic Party lost to Donal trump, this is the second time. Seems to me the democrats need their progressive voters. Best they answer to them.
Like a lot of folks on lemmy who claim to want things to be better, you’re full of criticism of the democratic Party and can divert absolutely any topic whatsoever to be the fault of the Democrats, and trying to get you to come up with any genuine criticism of the republicans will fail because you’re perfectly happy with the continued dominance of the far right as long as you get to talk about how the policies of the Republican Party are the responsibility of the democratic Party and the people who vote for them. It’s actually insane nonsense and I see through your doublethink even if you don’t.
You make foolish assumptions about me that could be easily disproved by a glance at my history. Democrats do not get to sell out their base just because republicans are more evil. Turns out that the democrats are incapable of dealing with the situation. So before we can work on republicans we have to bring democrats to heel.
Complaining about republicans being stupid or evil is a waste of time because at this point i don’t see any republicans voter being swayed by logic or empathy, or even their own interest. Its a waste of my breath complaining that water is wet.
Its too bad the Democratic party is so full of shit that trying to clean house has put you on the defensive. And you reflexively blame abandoned voters for the parties failings. But the party is too incompetent and an active obstacle in dealing with trump
Like I said, you’re full of criticism of the democratic Party and can divert absolutely any topic whatsoever to be the fault of the Democrats, and trying to get you to come up with any genuine specific criticism of the republicans will fail.
Your criticisms of the Democrats are specific and carry real hatred but your criticisms of the republicans are vague and largely dismissed by you yourself as a waste of time. I’ve seen it time and time again. You’re no different to the other “leftists” and “tankies” even if you like to think you’re different. You claim to want left but speak act to keep the right in power, just like Trump wants you to.
Well afaik she’s the only one doing a nationwide campaign at the moment
Weird. The party that claims to be “for the people” keeps putting centrists in charge. We’re ready for someone who is actually for the people!
Quickest way to mobilize the Democratic party is to threaten to put a progressive in charge
They learned their lesson with Obama. The funny thing is he’s not even a fucking leftist, the party is just so full of dinosaurs they think a modern centrist is a leftist.
I’m a European born American. Obama would be right wing politician in my country of birth.
With Obama they just learned how to take a somewhat progressive candidates and bend them into a moderate. It’s the same thing that happened with Kamala, although of course it’s hard to say if either were ever really progressive or if they just used that for votes and didn’t mind discarding it once they got pressured by the party and consultants.
Kamala was never progressive.
Neither was Obama. Not long after he put a bow on the nomination, he voted for an expansive security bill. A lot of people were surprised, but not me.
plus his voting record pre-presidency was very conservative. they fabricated his progressive persona
Yeah I definitely agree, both Kamala and Obama are candidates that acted progressive in their primaries but as soon as they eventually got the nomination they went towards the corporate Democrat establishment. My main question is whether they were progressive at some point but let themselves be changed by the establishment, consultants, and donors or if they never really cared that much to begin with. The end state is the same but the difference is important as it gives us insight into how much power the consultants and others have over candidates vs if they didn’t really care then it wouldn’t have taken much to change them.
Kamala was picked as VP because Dems thought she would get votes from the republicans who aren’t so MAGA. She’s on the conservative side of things: tough on crime as AG, opposed cannabis legalization (changed position later), opposed abolition of death penalty (flipped later), etc.
Forgot hard on incarcerated trans women…
I’m not even sure it was as deep as that, IMO they shoo’d her in without any chalengers as she could legally use the Biden-Harris
bribesdonations they had already collected. Thats about the extent of their thinking.
In general, no. In terms of specific policies as an AG, there were some.
I’d say she’s a centrist, with some progressive policies and some regressive. Just my opinion obviously.
Obama wasn’t even somewhat progressive before the Democratic Party. He was against gay marriage for a while.
See David Hogg
See Bernie Sanders.
they’d rather lose to Trump for a third term than do that.
Conservatives, they are putting conservatives in charge. Don’t be fooled by how republicans label themselves. They haven’t been conservative since before the turn of the century.
It’s DNC leadership that has taken up that mantle.
They’re definitely for the billionaire people.
DNC: I am here for the working people-- from billionaires, all the way to millionaires.
From the business owners to the CEOs, the Democrats are here to hear you. All the people, white or tan, brown people of light complexion as long as they have a 401k and 10 million in assets they will LISTEN
Aren’t there primaries for the Dems?
Voter turnout in primaries is pathetic. In 30 states, you have to be registered with the party - i.e.: give them your name and address for fund-raising purposes - to vote. This all works to bias primaries to ‘establishment’ candidates, or at least people well known among party apparatchiks. They are, theoretically, the best way to get progressives or populists into office, but practically, those progressives are fighting demographics and the general apathy of voters under 40.
The same phenomena that let MAGA take over the GOP keep the moderates in charge of the Dems. At least, until someone figures out how to motivate all the young internet revolutionaries to actually go and vote instead of memeing about how useless voting is.
You’re blaming the DNC for something that is controlled by each individual state.
Not really. I’m saying that the system discourages change. If there’s blame for the DNC, it’s that their message has constantly been something along the lines of “be reasonable & empathetic; improve the world through measured change” which tends to demoralize people who think the system is seriously fucked. That empowers the career politicians. GOP propaganda, at least for the last 50-or-so years, has been “More guns! More babies! No brown people!” which tends to attract passionate radicals.
The DNC in a nutshell. Absolute garbage.Okay, but the states decide if there are open primaries or not. The State is to blame for that, but it can be changed if made a state ballot measure.
That’s not really up for debate. It’s literally state law and dependent on the state. The DNC and GOP don’t decide that.
Is that not the second sentence in my original comment?
Sort of, sometimes. They can and will heavily disadvantage candidates they dont like. Like when they gave Hillary the questions for debates beforehand but not to Bernie, and let hillary control the funding of races, including her own. And like when they cut new hampshire out of the primary results this year because the New Hampshire dems wouldnt move the date for the primary to when the dnc wanted. So sure you could vote in that primary, but nothing was done with the results. Straight to the garbage can with those ballots.
Russia says they have a democracy too, with votes and everything. Not saying we’re the same, but proving we have “democracy” by the fact that voting happens is not that firm of a thing. Its easily corrupted.
The partyThe people that vote in the primaries for the party that claims to be “for the people” keeps putting centrists in charge.Most people don’t vote in the Democratic primaries. Did you?
Sadly I don’t think it’s possible to have a party “for the people” with only two parties. There’s too much pressure for both of them to champion the status quo.
“Championing the status quo” is not how I would describe what Republicans are doing right now.
Yes it is. If the part “for the people” turns out to be captured you drop it and get in an actual party for the people. Rinse and repeat as needed. There is a problem with political parties growing too old and becoming too institutionalized. But keeping them in power instead of giving them the boot is a choice made by the voters.
Controlled opposition
It all makes sense when you realize who makes the cutoff for what they consider “people.”
I’m confused. Are you arguing that AOC is or isn’t for the people?
She absolutely is. Her nomination is the DNC’s nightmare.
I feel like this is actually what republicans want. Feels like they want another minority woman to run right into them again. She’s wonderful but it feels like political sabotage.
I still have to lol about how the stupid qons tried to use her dancing in university as some kind of BAD thing.
Back when Denver Post still had a comment section and they’d allow gifs, and if the topic was AOC, I’d post her dancing. A few of the local wingnuts would try to get me banned/my posts removed over it, esp. if one of the qanon mods was on-duty…
She’s the best. Why the buzzkills in the unhinged right tried to paint a beautiful intelligent rep like AOC dancing during college as a bad thing is anyone’s guess, but that sure as fuck blew up in their faces…
AOC dancing and having fun is somehow anti-American and full blown socialism, according to Republicans.
So let me get this straight: somehow just dancing is somehow worse than drinking beers in fraternities and raping?
She’s a woman and a POC to boot, so…it’s rather self-evident that anything she does is going to be worse.
I think even for the most idiotic of maga, they realized that trying to trash her for dancing was not really getting much traction. Especially among cishet men with eyes? Just sayin’. XD
I think the same thing for trashing her for things like being working class - they were trying that on for a while and that seems to backfire, too. Same goes for some big mic drop attempt they try when they call her “Sandy” in some kind of qnut point about how she had a nickname during high school and/or university? ZOMG! /clutches pearls You are saying she went by the name of Sandy, danced, and worked as a bartender? QED, then, I guess. 🤣
She’s a woman with a will of her own, that’s enough for anyone on the Right to hate her.
What I really can’t stand though is when they try to pretend she’s dumb. I mean when we on the Left call Trump a moron, we can actually point to things he did and said. When they try to paint AOC as an airhead, they mostly just repurpose old blonde jokes to be about AOC, there’s never anything she actually did or said that they bring up.
Ever notice that?
God I’m glad I don’t use facebook anymore
She committed the sin of being a woman
Apparently 🤷♀️
Why the buzzkills in the unhinged right tried to paint a beautiful intelligent rep like AOC dancing during college as a bad thing
Because she’s leading moral and dignified Christian men into sin!
It’s not my fault / I’m not to blame / It is the gypsy girl / The witch who sent this flame / It’s not my fault / If in God’s plan / He made the devil so much / Stronger than a man
I don’t get it neither, let’s turn it the other way: why would anyone want to vote for someone/something that doesn’t show basic human emotions and doesn’t have fun?
I still laugh to myself when I think of them legitimately hoping they had the bombshell of the century when the “mic drop” of her dancing from college days was released.
I think most people just saw that and thought it was completely normal and it just highlighted how fucking weird and awful people like Tucker were. I think many normies saw it and thought that the qnuts were just sending this to everyone and effectively saying - “holy shit, do you see how HAWT this woman is?” - because whatever message they were attempting by sending this to everyone and trying to make it go viral for some other reason was probably lost on all but the most uptight puritans in the xtian Taliban.
I think normal Americans probably thought something along the lines of - wow, she’s incredibly articulate, delivers a message really well, is obviously well-versed in issues that matter to her constituency, AND is also incredibly attractive, knows how to dance and obviously was having fun making this video? What’s the problem these weirdo qnuts have with that?
BTW, we need to go back to a concerted campaign of calling conservatives and Republicans WEIRD. Because they fucking are.
well Trump shows the basic emotion of love but for money only
I was going to point out how most of them embrace donnie, who never seems to legitimately laugh at something normal. He does that weird grimace and thumbs-up for photo ops. He does that weird grimace after telling “jokes” that are all about punching down on someone or some group.
Well, TBF, I guess he does do that weird double-dick jerkoff dance that he does to his favorite gay anthem. Maybe he’s really trying to tell the world something there? All that talk about being hawt for his own daughter was some kind of weird compensation?
I disagree. He doesn’t love money. He covets the respect and power that he believes money brings with it and if forever angry that even with the presidency he can’t get the true respect he believes he is entitled to.
Yea that too but I feel like if someone told him “you would be the most respected person in the world and very powerful if you agree to live an economically average life (think Merkel but more modest even)”, I don’t think he would agree. Maybe because he thinks if he has money he can anyway buy the others but still money is not just a tool for him he is hooked on the luxuries it brings too.
I promise you the Democratic Party will do whatever it takes to keep her away from leadership roles because she actually wants to change things.
That’s the one thing the Democratic Party is consistent on: rejecting progressives, even if it means letting the conservatives win.
So the Dems are running the campaign for JD Vance now? Wow, easiest election ever
