• 👍Maximum Derek👍
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    482 days ago

    In my day vibe coding meant a delivery pizza, loud music, an eighth, and no other plans for the day.

        • @HiddenLayer555@lemmy.mlOP
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          352 days ago

          It’s mostly beginners thinking of it as a shortcut to making software without learning any of the underlying theory. Basically, why struggle your way through a Rust tutorial on fighting the borrow checker when you can just get AI to do it? Though the issue is as soon as there’s something too complex for the AI to figure out, you’re out of luck because you’ve been deliberately avoiding learning the necessary concepts to fix it yourself.

          As for whether serious people are pushing it, most actual software engineers, not really, but company management would absolutely like nothing more than to replace all their developers with AI, so yes they’re pushing it pretty hard.

            • The expectation is that they’ll have to hire back a lot of developers back in a panic once the consequences start hitting.

              There is a small chance a new AI is developed in time that is actually good at coding and debugging in a complex environment before that point but for now that seems unlikely.

            • @jcg@halubilo.social
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              As a former script kiddie myself I think it’s not much different from how I used to blindly copy and paste code snippets from tutorials. Well, environmental impact aside. Those who have the drive and genuine interest will actually come to learn things properly. Those who don’t should stay tf out of production code, it’s already bad enough. Which is why we genuinely shouldn’t let “vibe coding” be legitimized.

          • @litchralee@sh.itjust.works
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            Insofar as the skills hierarchy that software engineers develop well after learning to write in a programming language, I’m left wondering what scenarios or industries are the most “vibe coding” proof. That is to say, situations that absolutely require from day 1 a strong sense of design theory, creativity, and intimate knowledge of the available resources.

            Musing out loud, history has given us examples of major feats of software engineering, from the Voyager spacecrafts, to retro console games squeezing every byte of ROM for value, to the successful virtualization of the x86 instruction set. In these scenarios, those charges with the task has to contend with outerworldly QA requirements and the reality that there would be no redo. Or with financial constraints where adding an extra PROM would cascade into requiring a wider memory bus, thus an upgraded CPU, and all sorts of other changes that would doom the console before its first sale. Or having to deal with the amazing-yet-arcane structure of Intel’s microchip development from the 80s and 90s.

            It is under these extreme pressures that true diamonds of engineering emerge, conquering what must have appeared to be unimaginably complex, insurmountable obstacles. I think it’s fair to say that the likes of NASA, Sony and Nintendo, and VMWare could not possibly have gotten any traction with their endeavors had they used so-called “vibe coding”.

            And looking forward, I can’t see how “vibe coding” could ever yield such “ugly”-yet-functional hacks like the fast inverse square root. A product of its time, that algorithm had its niche on systems that didn’t have hardware support for inverse square roots, and it is as effective as it is surprising. Nowadays, it’s easy to fuzz a space for approximations of any given mathematical function, but if LLMs were somehow available in the 90s, I still can’t see how “vibe coding” could produce such a crude, ugly, inspirating, and breathtaking algorithm. In the right light, though, those traits might make it elegant.

            Perhaps my greatest concern is that so-called “vibe coding” presents the greatest departure from the enduring ethos of computer science, a young field not too tainted by airs of station. This field, I like to think, does not close its doors based on socioeconomic class, on the place of one’s birth, or upon the connections of one’s family. Rather, the field is so wide that all who endeavor for this space find room to grow into it. There is a rich history of folks from all sorts of prior occupations joining into the ranks of computer science and finding success. The field itself elevates them based on what they contribute and how they solve puzzles.

            What strikes against this ideal is how so-called “vibe coding” elevates mediocrity, a simulacra of engineering that produces a result without the personal contribution or logic solving to back it up. It is akin to producing artwork that is divorced from the artist’s experience. It embodies nothing.

            To be clear, the problem isn’t that taking shortcuts is bad. Quite the opposite, shortcuts can allow for going farther with the same initial effort. But the central premise of “vibe coding” is to give off the appearance of major engineering but with virtually no effort. It is, at its core, deceitful and dilutes from bona fide engineering effort and talent.

            Circling back to the earlier question, in my personal opinion, something like the Linux kernel might fit the bill. It’s something that is now so colossally large, is contributed to by an enormous user and developer base, and fills such a sizable role in the industry, that it’s hard to see how “vibe coding” can meaningful compete in that space.

        • Ephera
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          62 days ago

          The term was coined by an OpenAI co-founder. No idea, if I would call the OpenAI folks “serious”, but it’s not just a derogatory term, like you might think.

    • @NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml
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      Two days ago I watched a video by Explosions&Ire (PhD) when he began adding unknown amounts of chemicals he thought might work to produce a color change to his solution. He lamented that what he was doing amounted to “Vibe Chemistry.” In that moment I understood how inappropriate it was for a skilled programmer to do vibe coding.

    • @hedgehog@ttrpg.network
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      It’s the new hyped up version of “no-code” or low-code solutions, but with AI so you have more flexibility to footgun.

    • @ikidd@lemmy.world
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      Sticking a vibrating egg up your ass while you code. The debugger controls the speed in inverse proportion to the number of syntax errors.

  • @vfreire85@lemmy.ml
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    i’m concluding an associate level course of system analysis and i’m glad that right now i don’t rely on it to eat and pay the bills, having a regular job on my previous bachelor’s degree. by the end of the course the college was pushing so hard on knowledge we didn’t (and they didn’t passed on properly) had that i and others had to rely on vibe coding. now that i’m about to pick up my diploma, i’m gonna focus on learning real computer science without the pressure of grades and perhaps have a better chance if i have to apply for an IT job.

  • @chunes@lemmy.world
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    41 day ago

    They’re trying to normalize calling high-level programming a “programming paradigm.” Don’t let them.