• @Gorilladrums@lemmy.world
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    13814 days ago

    Putin will never stop being a war criminal until the day he dies. If he takes over all of Ukraine, he will move to Moldova then Georgia then Latvia then Estonia and so on.

    The moment this war ends, the Russian Federation will collapse. People forget but Russia has collapsed twice in the last century by doing the same things it’s doing now.

    It collapsed the first time when the out of touch tyrannical Tsarist government dragged the country into a needless war (WWI) while the country was going through a crises. The country collapsed and formed the Soviet Union.

    It collapsed a second time when the out of touch tyrannical communist government dragged the country into a needless war (Soviet invasion of Afghanistan) while the country was going through a crises. The country collapsed and formed the Russian Federation.

    Now the same thing is happening. The country has an out touch tyrannical dictator that dragged the country into a needless war during a time of crises. Once the war is over the country will revolt and collapse once again.

    • @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
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      3914 days ago

      Yeah, it seems authoritarianism is bad. Hopefully Russians will figure that out the next go around.

    • @xohshoo@lemmy.world
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      3214 days ago

      Russia has treaties with Britain since like 1904 that obligated it to engage in WWI. Thats how the murder of a Serbian devolved into a world war

      Outcome of leading to the downfall of the regime regardless, it was a little different than Afghanistan or Ukraine

      • WideEyedStupid
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        13 days ago

        Not to be thát person, but Archduke Franz Ferdinand was not a Serb, he was Austrian. Even though Austria-Hungary did annex Bosnia and Herzegovina in the late 19th century, Franz Ferdinand was not born there - in fact he was born before the annexation.

        Unless you mean his killer, but then your wording is a little off and I would say “murder BY a Serbian.” Even so, the ethnicity of the murderer wasn’t really as important as his target. ;)

      • @sugarfoot00@lemmy.ca
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        1313 days ago

        Thats how the murder of a Serbian devolved into a world war

        Archduke Franz Ferdinand was Austrian.

      • @Fritee@lemmy.world
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        713 days ago

        They also were figthing and got defeated by Japan right before that - did contribute to the downfall a little

    • @GreenKnight23@lemmy.world
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      513 days ago

      technically you don’t stop being anything when you die except for alive.

      asshole when you’re alive? asshole when you’re dead.

      you do lose the ability to be anything but that after you doe though.

      at least until you’re forgotten… which he did solidify his place in history as one of the weakest bitches in post cold war Russian history.

    • @saimen@feddit.org
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      313 days ago

      The second collapse was to a great part also due to chernobyl. It’s economic consequences often get overlooked. They had to use a LOT of resources and military personnel to contain it and preventing half of eastern Europe becoming unliveable wastelands.

    • @klay1@lemmy.world
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      Tsarist government dragged the country into a needless war

      I think Imperial Germany did the most part of that, while Russia wasn’t starting WW1. They did however heat up everything by attacking small neighbors, yes.

      tyrannical communist government

      Its important to say that it wasn’t really communist. They called themselves communist to take over from the revolution easier. They were mostly just authoritarian, while Stalin completely hollowed out the soviet republic functions. There was no republic, council, democracy or communism. Just harsh disctatorship.

      Sadly, what most think about when hearing communist or soviet, is the latter part and everything Stalin did. Oversimplified, communist means all things should belong to the people (as a people), not to a few people or any other power. And that’s never what Stalin did or even intended.

      • @gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
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        5014 days ago

        The whole mineral rights stuff is going to be interesting to see play out. Because Zelenskyy, and Ukrainians in general, should very much beware Yankees bearing “gifts” at this point, because we are not the same country we were 6 months ago.

        • @sugarfoot00@lemmy.ca
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          1013 days ago

          It’s not like he needs to uphold the deal beyond ending the war. The US certainly doesn’t honour its agreements anymore.

          • nickwitha_k (he/him)
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            813 days ago

            The US certainly doesn’t honour its agreements anymore.

            Native Americans: “Anymore?..”

        • @frezik@midwest.social
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          It’s an odd one, because it only applies to new developments. As far as anyone knows, Ukraine doesn’t have any rare earths worth mining, and doesn’t have a lot else new to mine, either. However, that’s based on old geological surveys. They might well have something, but it’s all speculation.

      • @grue@lemmy.world
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        1214 days ago

        He’ll try to stop/derail it if he can’t claim ownership of the results.

        Trump never gave a shit about peace to begin with; he just wanted to fellate Putin.

        • @WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world
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          1014 days ago

          Remember that Trump ultimately betrays everyone. The fact that he hasn’t done it to Putin yet is unusual, but it doesn’t mean it won’t happen.

          • @rayyy@lemmy.world
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            213 days ago

            Remember that Trump ultimately betrays everyone.

            True, however Putin is the dominate dog here. Krasnov is weak, confused and incompetent.

  • @Clbull@lemmy.world
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    2713 days ago

    If Operation Spiders’ Web is more than just an isolated attack on Russia’s air bases and is continuing to strike deep into Russian soil, then this has serious potential to finally bring Putin to the negotiating table.

    Other than that, I think this will be a bloody war of attrition that Zelenskyy has no chance of winning.

    • @Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world
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      1713 days ago

      The EU is bankrolling Ukraine, Russia has no friends and no money. Ukraine will easily outlast Russia. They just need to stay put and keep defending their positions while taking out Russia’s capacity to attack.

      • @SaturdayMorning@lemmy.ca
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        1013 days ago

        Taco/fElon are Russia’s friends/assets. They and their gop/maga supporters need to be kicked out of the usa government. Hopefully then, usa will return to Ukraine’s side.

          • @RealSpiderLane@lemmy.zip
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            413 days ago

            Hilariously true. Anyone who puts actual faith in those guys or relies on them for anything is insane. (Or just desperate as fuck, which Russia may be becoming.)

            I can’t help but think back to when Musk was threatening to cut off poor, remote areas in South America from Starlink over petty shit. Yall want THAT guy to be your friend? Yikes.

      • @Waphles@lemmy.world
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        713 days ago

        China is still bankrolling RU and the EU is still purchasing RU energy, so there are still funds to be had

    • @wulrus@lemmy.world
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      113 days ago

      I’m no expert, but I would think that the best way for this to work is to go all-in with the first strike. Every following strike will be SO much harder to succeed.

      Could be a “phase 2” like: Expecting all parked trucks and sheds in a 10 km radius of any military airbase to be inspected, so make traps. (Or any other phase 2 that takes advantage of the reaction.)

  • FundMECFS
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    2614 days ago

    Our operation Spider’s Web… even though they [the Russians – ed.] are furious, they understand everything – that if there are cases like the one involving 20,000 rockets [that the US had planned to send to Ukraine but redirected to the Middle East – ed.], then we’ll rely on our own strength… We don’t want the war to continue, but we’ll fight for ourselves if that is the only way out.

    We’re very close. We need strong support from the United States. The US needs unity with Europe and still needs to put pressure on Putin. He doesn’t want to end the war, but he can end the war under pressure from partners. In my opinion, that gives us a chance. And this doesn’t sound pessimistic at all – I’m talking about reality."

    • Endymion_Mallorn
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      If US support is the only thing that can cause Ukraine to win, then it’s pretty certain with our current leadership that it won’t happen.

      • @supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz
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        413 days ago

        The thing that is so impressive about Ukraine and the coalition it has formed is that they actually don’t need the US to directly be an ally to win this war. They should have not had to demonstrate this capacity, but the capacity has been thoroughly demonstrated.

      • @FarceOfWill@infosec.pub
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        413 days ago

        I agree with some commentators cleverer than me, the current state of the war economy is so extreme that it’ll be crippled by both continued war and also by peace.

        The longer it goes on the worse the resolution will be

      • @rickdg@lemmy.world
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        113 days ago

        That is when the role of the US really comes in. Putin eyes the nuclear button and Americans have to go “sit down, you’re not doing anything”. But Trump will go “let’s talk”.

  • @BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
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    413 days ago

    I don’t think Putin’s pride will allow that. Short of the Ukrainian army seizing Moscow and trapping Putin in his Tzarist bunker-compound, they will force no peace from that KGB fascist.