NEW YORK—The Trump administration and its radical right foot-soldiers in the federal government and in the states are undertaking a comprehensive scheme to undermine future state and federal elections, in effect rigging the rolls to keep themselves in power no matter what the voters decide.
  • SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one
    314·
    2 months ago

    Trump: convicted rapist, pedophile, misogynistic swine. Also failed businessman, pathological liar, corrupt to all hell. Sellout to Russia and the Nazis.

    Harris: didn’t condemn Israel.

    Fuck off ‘both sides’-ers

    • JonsJava@lemmy.worldMEnglish
      131·
      2 months ago

      Comment was reported for

      Misinformation and genocide denial

      I’m leaving this up.

    • Pacattack57@lemmy.world
      68·
      2 months ago

      A vote for Trump is a vote to end America. It really is that simple. If there is one thing I hope future generations rally around and condemn is Trump voters. I hope they are shamed for eternity.

      • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlBanned from communityEnglish
        8·
        2 months ago

        A vote for Trump is a vote to end America

        Are you trying to sell me on him? America is a bipartisan genocidal scourge. It should be ended.

            • NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world
              10·
              2 months ago

              And, you know, the dissolving of rights, kidnapping immigrants, putting children in handcuffs, the openly fascist plan being played out that just hit the 50% goal of destroying our government and replacing it with fascist theocracy, but yeah, pretty much the same as always, right?

        • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
          13·
          2 months ago

          I wish Lemmy had a remind me bot so I could come back to this comment in 6 months. It takes time for Trade and Tourism to drop off, and more time for the effects of that to be noticed by the average citizen who is having the reality of the situation hidden from them by the propaganda machine of the oligarchs.

        • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          12·
          2 months ago

          A lot of what made the US a superpower has already disappeared. Its alliances with Europe and the Commonwealth. Its influence on global trade. Its influence on global institutions. Its soft power through things like USAID.

    • FosterMolasses@leminal.spaceEnglish
      46·
      2 months ago

      This this this this this this this this.

      I have zero goddamn sympathy for any so-called “leftist” who didn’t vote for Kamala. You have condoned neo-facism to stroke your own ego. No two ways about it. At least now they get to enjoy the fruits of their labor. Tell me, how’s that self-righteousness taste?

    • PorkRoll@lemmy.worldEnglish
      39·
      2 months ago

      Harris assured Trump voters that nothing would fundamentally change. The Democratic party is sitting on their thumbs while the fascists are taking over. Electoral politics don’t save us from fascism.

    • Fedizen@lemmy.world
      24·
      2 months ago

      You can make the point about trump being a criminally weirdo pervert fake businessman without misrepresenting (and therefore failing to learn from) the 2024 election.

      Harris kicked tent poles out of the Big Tent™. This includes immigration (low latino turnout). It seems unserious to say it was just the blind eye to Israel’s genocide that lost the election, i haven’t seen a piece of evidence that bore out the genocide as Kamala’s sole reason for losing the popular vote.

      Its also the case that republicans spend literally billions more on media and it leads to them dominating online spaces with pure spam. Online posting is never a substitute for knocking on doors, a thing the Kamala campaign failed to do sufficiently.

      DNC apologists always being like “well they were trying to recruit more bigots” and then act surprised when the bigots and their overwhelming piles of media cash chase voters out of the Big Tent

    • Ferrous@lemmy.mlEnglish
      18·
      2 months ago

      The democrats had a choice between genocide and curbing fascism. Your savior party chose to starve kids over halt fascism. Why are “tankies” obligated to respect your bizarre utility calculation, but Kamala and the democrats are not?

      What is your red line? Assuming in 30 years, when the choice is between a candidate who wants 9 genocides and a candidate who wants 10, will you still be militantly democrat? Is there no point at which you would start to call into question your genocidal, fascist, enslaving government?

    • PastaCannon@lemmy.mlBanned
      17·
      2 months ago

      You are still here at this discussion in 2025? I don’t get it man, I really don’t.

      Did you understand that Harris was giving you a little treat just to continue a genocide? I guess by your comment that you are fine if those brown kids starve as long as you can still buy your favourite triple mcburger. Right? (͡•_ ͡• )

      • phutatorius@lemmy.zip
        44·
        2 months ago

        Your single-issue principles contributed to us being stuck again with Trump.

        And guess what? The kids are starving even worse now, and being gunned down, when they’re not being bombed. You must be really proud of yourself.

        • skisnow@lemmy.caEnglish
          15·
          2 months ago

          Why not go direct that pompous judgmental energy at people who actually voted for Trump, instead of spending your time berating people for not wanting to keep enabling the massively undemocratic 2-party system that led to fascism in the first place?

          (Edit: I genuinely believe this subject gets astroturfed online, there is no way that there is really this big a percentage of cowards and dumbfucks out there who sincerely think that leftists are more to blame for Trump than actual Trump voters. Maybe you’re too timid to engage with Trump voters directly so it’s easier for you to stay in safe liberal spaces and bully the leftists there instead?)

        • MellowYellow13@lemmy.worldBanned from community
          13·
          2 months ago

          Guess what? Kamala will never beat Trump. Turns out neoliberalism wont beat Fascism. All she had to do was be an actual opposition. Crazy. I know its so hard to be against genocide, so hard!

        • PastaCannon@lemmy.mlBanned
          9·
          2 months ago

          I know it’s hard to understand for you, but thank god I can’t vote in the states. I’m just telling you what it is, you can cover your eyes and ears if you like.

      • FosterMolasses@leminal.spaceEnglish
        6·
        2 months ago

        You realize that you openly condone the rise the rapid spread of neo-fascism with the strawman argument of a single flawed foreign policy, right? (͡•_ ͡• )

      • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
        17·
        2 months ago

        Well to be fair, Trump wanted to cooperate with Israel on a beach resort in Gaza, whereas Harris was just afraid of saying Israel bad, because Israel buys a fucktonne of weapons from the US and a big part of the country is ridiculously pro-israel.

              • JigglySackles@lemmy.world
                15·
                2 months ago

                Yes it fucking is worse under trump and Democrats aren’t my fucking team.

                Call me soulless all you fucking want, it won’t make it true. My friends died because of this fucking genocide. I want it to end and not because israel ran out of Palestinians. But you sitting there pretending like this was fixable in this election is asinine. Maybe in some fantasy land we would have had a decent candidate to vote for. But in reality I was given an option between a tyrannical fascist that would happily accelerate genocide, and an ineffectual slug that would slow play the genocide. A slower option is better than an accelerated one, even if both are horrendously bad.

    • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      16·
      2 months ago

      I guess outward fascism towards the 3rd world, and inward fascism towards the USA’s own population seem like different things to you.

      Trump’s doing both, while Kamala sure as hell would have ensured the former.

      We cannot live this contradiction in the USA anymore. Freedom and diversity for Americans means freedom and diversity for all humans. I’m so sick and tired of centrist liberals defending this corrupt USA that perpetuates the enslavement of the third world.

      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        18·
        2 months ago

        I guess outward fascism towards the 3rd world, and inward fascism towards the USA’s own population seem like different things to you.

        Whatever bullshit you have to tell yourself to sleep at night.

        There’s no such thing as “inward” or “outward” fascism. You’re just making shit up.

        It’s just fascism, and your inaction has directly led to it. Well done.

        Edit: here’s one lovely reply to this comment that was removed. Totally normal. And let’s be clear, I have not denied nor supported any genocide, I simply said that fascism is fascism and you don’t break it into “internal” and “external”, and this is what someone feels they need to say to me:

        God I want to feel the hardness of your skull as I punch you repeatedly again and again, ignoring you painal scream as I fucking stab you over and over.

        Genociders deserve death.

        Here’s their profile: https://thelemmy.club/u/wowAnotherPos

        Normal stuff. Comment is deleted, but still has 2 points.

        This is because I’m angry at people who refused to vote for Kamala. That means I deserve to be violently stabbed to death apparently.

        • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          12·
          2 months ago

          Is it not liberals’ agenda to retain some semblance of civil rights, while at the same time upholding foreign policy?

          Gay Nazis are still Nazis.

          You’re dreaming of a state of affairs that doesn’t exist.

          Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds

            • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              6·
              2 months ago

              You’re right, liberalism doesn’t compare to fascism.

              All it does is enable it though, which according to you shitlibs, is just as bad as the fascists themselves.

              Why not adopt progressive politics that actually fight against the forces that incubate fascist states?

              • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                6·
                2 months ago

                Why not adopt progressive politics that actually fight against the forces that incubate fascist states?

                Who are you talking to? Do you think I need to be a liberal in order to be able to state the obvious that they’re different than fascists?

        • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlBanned from communityEnglish
          3·
          2 months ago

          You contradict yourself, if “it’s just fascism”, then it was already fascism when the Democrats were doing it overseas

          • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            1·
            2 months ago

            Did I fucking say it wasn’t? Jesus Christ, you people need to focus your ire on those who actually deserve it.

            I SAID THAT IT’S ALL FASCISM. Learn to fucking read.

          • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            1·
            2 months ago

            My friend, I said it’s ALL fascism.

            You are a very angry person and I think you should seek help.

            Don’t fucking threaten to murder me again.

      • Klear@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11·
        2 months ago

        I’m so sick and tired of centrist liberals defending this corrupt USA that perpetuates the enslavement of the third world.

        Luckily thanks to you and others like you they lost. Yay! Good job!

        Now what?

        • theparadox@lemmy.worldEnglish
          12·
          2 months ago

          Now what?

          Now you get to ignorantly blame progressives for what was, ultimately, a Democrat policy failure. Bonus - doing so drives a wedge between Democrats! Yay! Good job!

          Now how about you do something fucking constructive.

        • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          10·
          2 months ago

          Luckily thanks to you and liberals like you, instead of fighting back against the GOP in the 2 times these last 20 years where Democrats have had SUPER MAJORITIES in Congress, you passed half measures while playing identity politics.

          We could have had meaningful, material improvements to people’s lives, a good marker of de-escalation of violence, but instead the DNC, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and liberals clung to their monopoly on the only counter party to the fascists we have.

          You all are still coping that you lost the 2024 election, and you’re rutterless as to why

          I have a clue: see what makes Zohran Mamdani so popular in New York. It has to do with rejecting the Democratic establishment and all the billionaire donors that back it

          • JigglySackles@lemmy.world
            8·
            2 months ago

            The irritating thing here is that so many people think we had other options available to vote for. I TRIED to vote for Bernie, DNC made sure that didn’t happen, I WANT to vote for someone that doesn’t support genocide, I WANT a candidate that says fuck Democrats, fuck Republicans, we are heading to the left full steam ahead. But that was never on the fucking ballot. And even if they were, we need all the sitting representatives and senators to be ousted too or they will have zero support institutionally and still get nothing done despite their position.

        • MellowYellow13@lemmy.worldBanned from community
          7·
          2 months ago

          Centrism will never bear fascism, you need actual opposition. Crazy how you all still dont realize this yet? How long will it take?

              • Klear@lemmy.worldEnglish
                3·
                2 months ago

                Mostly that “centrism” means a completely different thing in a working democracy with more than one and a half parties. It’s super common for Americans to view the whole world from the limited perspective of their screwed up politics, ignorant and unwilling to learn of how things are elsewhere.

      • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
        9·
        2 months ago

        Trump’s doing both, while Kamala sure as hell would have ensured the former

        Harris would’ve continued status quo, yes. But Trump wants to accelerate it. He wants all Palestinians out of Gaza so he can build a beach resort where their homes used to be. There is a non-zero chance of American boots on ground to help clear out any remaining Palestinians.

        • MellowYellow13@lemmy.worldBanned from community
          9·
          2 months ago

          Kamala will never beat Trump, shes crazy unpopular and neoliberalism is dead. You need an opposition to fascism, pretty simple.

          • JigglySackles@lemmy.world
            8·
            2 months ago

            No shit, but it wasn’t available to vote for in the election. We can’t vote with hopes and dreams because our system is fucked. All we can pick is the lesser of two evils.

            • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              5·
              2 months ago

              Why wasn’t it available to vote for in the election?

              Oh right, because the one-term, transitional candidate Joe Brandon wanted his second term, and then rightfully got fucked in the debate with Trump.

              If Democrats understood Trump’s threat to Democracy truly, they would have had primaries in 2024. Instead we got establishment picks that robbed our civic participation

              Yes we have to pick the lesser of two evils in that moment, but for all the other moments leading up to the general and primary, like right now, Democrats could have ran a better candidate.

              But they didn’t. And they aren’t right now.

              Hopes and dreams are perfectly valid right now to throw out the establishment and start campaigning for candidates that don’t take AIPAC money

              • JigglySackles@lemmy.world
                7·
                2 months ago

                I would love to see the DNC destroyed. They’ve been at the forefront of shoveling fascist lite candidates in front.

                Hoping I get to vote for a Mamdani or similar in the future.

            • MellowYellow13@lemmy.worldBanned from community
              4·
              2 months ago

              And I’m telling you that lesser of two evils will never beat Trump or fascism, full stop. You want to win you need actual opposition. Like you mentioned Mamdani, theres a reason he won handily.

              • JigglySackles@lemmy.world
                1·
                2 months ago

                I agree with you. There needs to be a real option to get anywhere. We’ve been circling the drain too long. And the DNC is ensuring it stays that way by keeping out real challengers. It’s maddening.

          • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
            7·
            2 months ago

            Well of course she wouldn’t, she’s a woman and America is crazy sexist.

            Biden did, with nothing but neoliberalism and status quo. So there, Americans want neoliberalism, they just don’t want a woman in charge.

            • MellowYellow13@lemmy.worldBanned from community
              8·
              2 months ago

              She offered no policy to Americans except “Trump is worse.” She will never beat Trump or fascism. Americans want fascism , fascism lite doesnt beat fascism. You want to beat fascism you need opposition

              • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                10·
                2 months ago

                Less than a third want fascism, and even then, some people that voted for Trump are getting their faces eaten by leopards.

                We need progressive opposition politicians that can speak to what Americans want: affordability, equity, health care.

              • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
                7·
                2 months ago

                Harris advocated for limited government control of grocery and food prices, a cap on prescription drug costs, and expansion of the child tax credit.[17][18] On immigration, Harris supported increasing the number of Border Patrol agents and reforming the immigration system. On foreign policy, she supported continued military aid to Ukraine and Israel in their respective wars, but insisted that Israel should agree to a ceasefire and hostage deal and work towards a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

                Straight off Wikipedia because I’m not going to find better sources for a troll.

                Not a fan of some of those (Immigration and continued support of Israel), but you can’t tell me that moderate government control over the fast-rising grocery prices or a cap on prescription drug costs is a bad thing? Also while the republican solution to a lack of children being born is to outlaw abortions and sex ed, she planned a large tax credit you’d get for having a newborn. How is that not a better solution to the birth crisis the conservatives are yelling about?

            • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
              7·
              2 months ago

              Americans want neoliberalism, they just don’t want a woman in charge.

              neoliberals want neoliberalism and they pretend that harris lost because she’s a woman in order to shut out AOC.

              • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
                3·
                2 months ago

                Some 67% of Gen Z white men voted Trump thanks to the manosphere influencers but go off on how America isn’t growing increasingly sexist lol

                • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  5·
                  2 months ago

                  Oh, it’s increasingly sexist all right. Democrats are now saying that women can’t win because they don’t want a particular woman to run.

        • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          8·
          2 months ago

          Good thing in the years leading up to October 7th, when Democrats were in office, we couldn’t force Israel to adopt a one-state solution.

          Obama, Biden, Harris, they’re all complicit in the aggressive approach of Israel towards the apartheid and genocide they commit today.

          And not just today. For the past 75+ years

        • ReiRose@lemmy.world
          2·
          2 months ago

          Hopefully he accelerates it so quickly that Americans will actually push back. And if they still aren’t convinced to arm themselves and take to the streets at least they may start to use all their sick time and vacation time.

          • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
            4·
            2 months ago

            Lol at Americans pushing back at a genocide happening in another country

            Never going to happen. It’ll just be a more thorough and fast genocide with increased US government support. The primary difference is that now there’s going to be TWO genocides because latinos in the US are another target. But of course Trump isn’t any worse than Harris.

            • ReiRose@lemmy.world
              2·
              2 months ago

              I meant the acceleration into facism that would impact people’s lives. I agree, Americans (in general) won’t do anything too uncomfortable to defend people somewhere else. If he starts rounding up and killing Latinos I think there’d be a but more of a fuss.

              • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
                1·
                2 months ago

                But will there?

                At this rate it seems there’s two types of Latinos in the US. The progressive ones and the “Fuck you, got mine” ones that actively hate Latinos. Latinos for Trump is actively going to cheer as he rounds up and kills Latinos, as “we’re the good ones, he’s only killing the terrorists/illegals/etc”.

    • MellowYellow13@lemmy.worldBanned from community
      16·
      2 months ago

      Yeah supporting genocide makes you unpopular crazy! surprise surprise fascism lite wont beat fascism. Kamala Harris will never beat Trump sorry

  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
    243·
    2 months ago

    Beginning to question the inherent wisdom of “Normal transition of power” when Biden handed the keys of the kingdom to a guy who openly planned to lock all the doors and shoot the next guy elected to walk through them.

    But hey, I guess it would have been against the rules not to meekly empower a fascist dictatorship.

    • Labtec6@lemmy.ca
      36·
      2 months ago

      Probably what will happen is anyone who might challenge them will suddenly be arrested on Trumped-Up charges.

    • HubertManne@piefed.socialEnglish
      33·
      2 months ago

      So what. You wanted a dictatorship to stop a dictatorship. Once the normal transition of power is not followed its game over for our democracy.

      • Hegar@fedia.io
        71·
        2 months ago

        Once the normal transition of power is not followed its game over for our democracy.

        Once people who’ve sworn to end democracy are given the power to end democracy, then it’s game over for democracy.

        Preventing a corrupt criminal who’s a known agent of a hostile foreign powers from becoming president is a healthy thing to do.

      • leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        59·
        2 months ago

        Congratulations, you just discovered the paradox of tolerance.

        And, yeah, essentially, in order to survive, a democratic society cannot allow those who seek to destroy it to participate in the democratic process.

        • HubertManne@piefed.socialEnglish
          4·
          2 months ago

          Nope. I have been aware of the paradox of tolerance for awhile and its a little shoehorning to put this situation into it. Your talking about a case of allowing an elected official to take office not tolerating speech.

          • leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            37·
            2 months ago

            An elected official who repeatedly stated and demonstrated his intention of preventing any future elections and destroying democracy.

            An elected official, therefore, who should never have been allowed to run for office in the first place (this isn’t the only reason he shouldn’t have been allowed, of course, in a sane country he’d also been unelectable due to his criminal record, lack of any semblance of mental health, and intellectual insufficiency, but it’s the most important).

            • HubertManne@piefed.socialEnglish
              4·
              2 months ago

              Ill agree he should not have been able to run but that was a failure of congress or in other words other people elected under the democracy to office. Not allowing him to run would have been great but not allowing him to take office when elected would be disastrous.

              • leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                14·
                2 months ago

                not allowing him to take office when elected would be disastrous

                It would have been many orders of magnitude less disastrous than the alternative.

                Sure, cutting off your cancerous hand would’ve been traumatic. But survivable.

                Now, however, said hand is so far up your arse that it’s ripped apart your colon in several places and you’re bleeding to death while experiencing horrible agony, and spraying all your neighbours with blood and feces.

                You could have recovered from getting rid of Trump, but there’s no coming back from what you’ve allowed him to do to your country, and the world.

                • HubertManne@piefed.socialEnglish
                  2·
                  2 months ago

                  No. No it would not have. Your talking about doing something trump has not done yet. It would accelerate the problems by putting us at worse case in january of 2025 rather than in late 2026.

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
        35·
        2 months ago

        You wanted a dictatorship to stop a dictatorship.

        Given the current state of affairs, I’m not clear how a Permanent Biden-o-cracy was supposed to be worse.

        Once the normal transition of power is not followed its game over for our democracy.

        Well, thank god we don’t officially lose our Democracy for another eighteen months.

        • HubertManne@piefed.socialEnglish
          10·
          2 months ago

          its worse because it would be 18 months sooner. Its like climate change. It won’t help if we were at 5 degrees now instead of 1.5. That would not fix it.

      • Guidy@lemmy.world
        14·
        2 months ago

        I wanted the traitor coward Merrick Garland to do his motherfucking job and prosecute that POS and throw him in federal prison while making him completely unable to appear on any ballot.

        Thanks for asking.

        • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
          7·
          2 months ago

          Garland did what he was hired to do. He slow walked the investigations so biden could run against trump again because biden knew he couldn’t beat anyone better.

      • OrteilGenou@lemmy.worldBanned from community
        5·
        2 months ago

        That’s right, if it’s allowed to happen, it’s pretty hard to come back from that

    • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      32·
      2 months ago

      I hope you are being cheeky by saying ‘beginning to’, it was immensely obvious this was the plan going back to, at bare minimum, about a year before the election, when Trump just kept saying he was gonna serve 3 terms, his supporters wouldn’t have to vote again, etc.

    • -☆-@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      22·
      2 months ago

      I disagree with Biden’s handling of the transition, but it’s definitely internally consistent with his beliefs. He really, really wanted the global rule of law to work.

      I would not be surprised if part of the intention here was to maintain legitimacy during the initial transfer, so that when the monsters refuse to do the same, it will lend legitimacy to a global response to assist the people in reclaiming their democracy.

      Now, you could also call that ‘passing the buck’ and… Well, yes. He did seem to do too much of that, imo. Or not enough, depending on how you look at it.

      • Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
        11·
        2 months ago

        He really, really wanted the global rule of law to work.

        No, Biden did not. He actively broke it by financing Israel’s genocide against international and domestic law.

        • arrow74@lemmy.zip
          7·
          2 months ago

          Sorry US law, that’s where the US can do whatever it wants in the rest of the world but at home there is a rule book (allegedly)

          • Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
            2·
            2 months ago

            I do find it strange that the people down voting are more upset about someone pointing out how Biden broke International and Domestic (Leahy) Law to finance a genocide than the actual genocide itself

        • -☆-@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          2·
          2 months ago

          You’re right, that was awful and idealogically-rooted behavior justified in the name of liberal statecraft.

          US support of Israel is a huge problem, and needs to stop. I am with you, and he should be held accountable for the part he played in that.

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
        8·
        2 months ago

        He really, really wanted the global rule of law to work.

        Hence backing Al Qaeda in Syria, fleecing Afghanistan of it’s currency reserves to kick off a famine, propping up a military dictatorship in The Philippines, all while continuing a 70 year old illegal blockade of Cuba? Never even mind the Holocaust in Gaza.

        Come on, dude. The US has always been playing Calvinball with Rule of Law. If Biden made noises about it, that’s just him delivering the company line one last time to the liberal rubes.

        when the monsters refuse to do the same, it will lend legitimacy to a global response to assist the people in reclaiming their democracy.

        That’s pure cope.

        Biden bent over backwards for the Silicon Valley mega-donors practically from day one, and they took full advantage until he was used up and disposed of.

        He wasn’t secretly plotting a resistance movement, he was carving up the country in advance so that Trump could sell it off easier.

        • -☆-@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          1·
          2 months ago

          To clarify, I am not a Biden supporter by any means. In fact, I place a lot of the blame for the fucked state of the world right now squarely on his shoulders. It would not be a stretch to say that I harbor a deep resentment for the man’s work.

          However, I do think there’s a lot to learn from his career. Because as far as I can tell, the man genuinely seemed to be trying to improve the world for the average person. Thus, he clearly fucked up catastrophically, and there’s a lot to learn from how and why.

          The US disregard of the Rule of Law historically seemed to be one of his personal bugbears. At least from what I’ve seen of his accounts and those around them. I won’t judge you if you want to discard him as a bumbling hypocrite, but we can learn the most from failure.

    • Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world
      14·
      2 months ago

      I love these comments that always place the blame on Biden, instead of you know, the actual fucking fascists. JFC.

      • 7toed@midwest.socialEnglish
        8·
        2 months ago

        For the record, the “actual fucking fascists” didn’t materialize during this last election, or the one before it, or the one before it… etc. I remember when the dems campaigned on “no human is illegal” in 2016 but by time of this last cycle, they were capitulating on immigration and the border to attract the elusive moderate republican to vote democrat… a strategy that failed our democracy in the end.

  • OutlierBlue@lemmy.caEnglish
    120·
    2 months ago

    This is what Alligator Auschwitz is really for.

    America, your opportunity to stop this is narrowing and walking around with signs once a month on a weekend isn’t gonna do it.

    • Fandangalo@lemmy.world
      106·
      2 months ago

      Every week, more people show up. I’m involved in local politics besides.

      You’re slamming people for being involved. They are doing something being out there.

      • StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world
        39·
        2 months ago

        Forming connections at low stakes events like protests is exactly what people need to do. That lot talks like anyone who doesn’t buy an AK and a red beret first thing is just wasting time.

      • PastaCannon@lemmy.mlBanned
        14·
        2 months ago

        I don’t think people understand what fascism really is. Fascism doesn’t obey the rule of law at all, it is fascism especially if it fights it. Once a fascist raise to power, you’re done, marching is useless now. Only guns.

        It’s time for Americans to repay the world for all the horrendous atrocities they committed and show the world they are not like this. If they won’t, collapse is the right price to pay.

        And please stop cry, none of the country you invaded “exporting democracy” whined like this. It’s really pathetic, especially because you did it to yourself, no invading country needed. Get your guns and start shooting.

        • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          8·
          2 months ago

          It’s time for Americans to repay the world for all the horrendous atrocities they committed and show the world they are not like this. If they won’t, collapse is the right price to pay.

          See, and here I was thinking that it’s time for Germany, Japan, etc. to repay America by liberating us.

          • PastaCannon@lemmy.mlBanned
            3·
            2 months ago

            Absolutely, if you were attacked. But you weren’t, you elected a fascist rapist pedofile after committing atrocities after atrocities and now the world should “liberate” you? From what, your dementia?

              • PastaCannon@lemmy.mlBanned
                5·
                2 months ago

                Do you really really believe that the United States entered the war out of goodness of their heart? Are you delulu?

                One of the many reasons Britain managed to convince the US was…… drum roll……Palestinian land! But it’s just a coincidence don’t worry, what do I know, just a tankie here.

      • OutlierBlue@lemmy.caEnglish
        10·
        2 months ago

        I’m not slamming people for being involved. I’m slamming them for being ineffectual. A sign isn’t going to stop a determined fascist.

  • UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world
    67·
    2 months ago

    The article says the constitution say a president can’t change voting rules, but this president has the house, the senate and the judges.

  • the_doktor@lemmy.zip
    43·
    2 months ago

    JuSt VoTe NeXt TiMe!!!

    And every time I tell people we won’t get a vote they laugh at me. Holy fuck, people just don’t get how severe and horrible this administration is. We can’t remove them for abuse of law, we can barely counter their worst abuses just to have them win in the end, and we’re about to have them as dictators for life with no voting.

    I honestly think the only solution is to leave this damned country. But guess what, unless you have a decent amount of money, that’s out, too.

    We’re fucked

  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
    42·
    2 months ago

    trump is getting more and more desperate as the days go on, when epstein files arnt released, and mounting pressure and more evidence showing up about his pedophelia, the tariffs arnt really distracting as it use to be, Also its not like elections were free or fair to begin with, significant tampering has been done by the gop on local,state and presidential for a while.

  • DarkFuture@lemmy.worldEnglish
    31·
    2 months ago

    Buy guns. Buy ammo. Help others acquire guns and ammo.

    Train. Help others train.

    Form networks.

    • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip
      10·
      2 months ago

      Let’s say 500 of your closest neighbors and friends all buy AR-15s with the best optics money can buy and all the green tips you can eat. And you all secretly spend 60 hours a week drilling in modern combat.

      What are you going to do against a tank? Or a jet? Or just artillery fire? And “hit and run” tactics don’t work when there are cameras on every street corner and it is a trivial problem to track people back to their suburbs.

      If The Right To Bear Arms were actually a threat to those in power then you can be damned sure it would have been repealed faster than a kindergartener can cry for their parents.

      Resistance is important and I recommend you go to protests and actually talk with the organizers. No, not the ones who are thinking up catchy slogans or what cool costumes everyone can wear. The old hats. The ones who are actually pulling people however many steps back from the curb they need to be or who are looking for idiots with guns who will get everyone killed. Make some friends and go from there.

      But all you are doing with “buy guns and train” is the same bullshit that republicans have been getting off on for decades. White people get to take hostages and occupy buildings. But in the eyes of the fascists? We’re all n*****s.

      • SheeEttin@lemmy.zipEnglish
        7·
        2 months ago

        What are you going to do against a tank? Or a jet? Or just artillery fire? And “hit and run” tactics don’t work when there are cameras on every street corner and it is a trivial problem to track people back to their suburbs.

        I agree with everything except this. Those cameras are getting smashed day one. Jets and artillery are very unlikely to happen in our scenario here. APCs and AFVs? Oh absolutely, and we don’t even need to have the military for that, even your podunk PD has armored vehicles now. But they’re not as durable as a tank. Wheeled ones are more susceptible to mobility kills. Building dragon’s teeth and porcupines isn’t hard. And there are plenty of IED and urban warfare guides available, even from the US military…

        • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip
          3·
          2 months ago
          1. You very much underestimate how many cameras are out there or how reachable they are
          2. If you start building dragons teeth in bumfuck Wisconsin you are going to get mortared.
          3. If you start building dragons teeth in DC you are getting droned.
      • Ferrous@lemmy.mlEnglish
        2·
        2 months ago

        People who push this kind of thinking still think warfare is carried out and progresses like it did in the Napoleonic era: two orderly opposed fronts clashing head-to-head in theaters with well-defined boundaries - where the adversary with more guns/people/resources win. Because more guns/people directly equates to military power, right?

        These folks would do well to spend even the slightest amount of time learning about fourth generational, guerilla war. The fact that bullets ping off of tank armor does not disprove guerilla war.

        Let’s take this meme back a couple hundred years and cast you as a counter revolutonary American at the onset of the revolutonary war.

        /*Wants to have muskets to fend off british empire

        /*british empire:

        Starts to seem silly when you realize even our founding fathers were doing guerilla warfare not long ago.

        • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip
          3·
          2 months ago

          During the American Revolutionary War/Napoleonic War, do you know what a local militia with muskets or even breach loading rifles were good for? Sending into the meat grinder and taking out with artillery.

          The ONLY time The Holy Second Amendment was ever a threat to a government was, funny enough, “The Wild West” in the US. That brief window where logistics made deploying the military difficult but everyone and their mother had repeating rifles and pistols and could even get a gatling gun for not TOO much money. Which, funny enough, led to the rise in what were basically PMCs to take out said ruffians and has persisted to today in the form of the over-militarized police force and the idea that you need a full kill team in every village.

          As for “Just fight a guerilla war”: I am not interested in the American Revolutionary War (even though all the same arguments hold true…). The US and Russia have both bled and eventually abandoned countries like Afghanistan as the losses became too high to justify the occupation. But basically any time there was a stand up fight, they won overwhelmingly because of things like Helicopters, Tanks, and Artillery.

          But then you look at groups like ISIS and warlords in Africa and the chaos that was left in the wake of South America. THOSE forces defeated their guerillas. Why? Because the occupying force actually gave a shit about the land and wanted to keep it. And they didn’t care about public opinion on what they were doing (see also: Israel’s genocide). Some kids run out of the woods, shoot a few people, scream “WILDCATS”, and start macking? Cool. Go round up a dozen people in the town square and execute them. And make it clear that if said wildcats aren’t turned over by next week, another dozen people will be executed. See how fast support for the guerillas goes away. Even better, you know they are hiding in the suburbs near Delancy Street? Set up a perimeter and go door to door executing people until you find them.

          Which gets back to your super timely example from the 1700s. Where the Brits basically said “Fuck it, we don’t care” due to the colonies being a whole ocean away and increasing unrest in India. And… India was a LOT more valuable than a bunch of jackasses who didn’t want to pay taxes.

          But hey. I am sure with your rifles you can totally lead a guerilla war that makes the republican government abandon the United States because casualties are too high, I guess? It worked for Captain Soap in Call of Duty maybe?

          • DarkFuture@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            2 months ago

            Buddy.

            It sounds like your entire argument is “Do nothing because what’s the point?”

            You can do nothing and die if things escalate too far. That’s your choice. The rest of us will do something. Because in the face of living under fascism, why the fuck wouldn’t we?

            An intelligent person would prepare for that eventuality. A dumb person spends their time throwing their hands up and trying to dissuade others from preparing.

            • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip
              2·
              2 months ago

              Yes. An intelligent person prepares for eventualities. But in a manner that actually makes a difference.

              If all you want to do is buy a bunch of guns and masturbate furiously, go for it. Hell, the republicans will probably think you are one of them since that is indistinguishable from what all the gun nuts say.

              If you want to actually make a difference and resist? Like I said. Talk to the old hats at those protests. We are thinking this through and actually studying past events. We just aren’t talking about it on a public social media site where all we know about the admins are they bent over backwards to cover their asses when luigi allegedly blapped that guy.

              • DarkFuture@lemmy.worldEnglish
                3·
                2 months ago

                Yes. An intelligent person prepares for eventualities. But in a manner that actually makes a difference.

                But that’s not what you’re doing. Your only suggestion thus far is to protest. I’ve already made it clear to you that if a fascist regime becomes too entrenched then protests mean nothing. And your plan beyond that is to give up and die and try to convince others to do the same.

                Protest, by all means, while you can. What I’m talking about, since my very first post, is preparing for what happens if protests don’t work. You don’t have a plan for that, other than giving up. I mean, you keep talking about “talk to the old hats”, like that actually means something. Do you want to elaborate? Cuz beyond protesting it seems like “talk to the old hats” means organize an actual resistance, which is exactly what I’m talking about.

      • DarkFuture@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        2 months ago

        What are you going to do against a tank? Or a jet? Or just artillery fire?

        I’m going to say the same thing I say to everyone that brings this up thinking they’ve hit on some infallible logic.

        Small arms are all you need to eliminate people at the top of command structures, thus collapsing those command structures. A sniper named Simo Häyhä had over 500 confirmed kills during WW2. His job was basically to find and kill officers. He survived the war. You can also look at the Vietnam War. The U.S. was technologically superior to the Vietnamese. We still lost and went home without our mission accomplished. Same thing in the Middle East. Never actually accomplished our goals. Went home. Because it’s really hard to deal with enemies using guerilla tactics with typical firearms.

        You don’t seem to understand that protests, while important, don’t make fascists stop being fascists. Force has always been required to put down fascist movements. If this goes far enough there will come a time when protests don’t matter, at all. When that time comes are you gonna let a fascist put a bullet through the back of your skull or are you gonna pick up a firearm and do something? Can’t do that if you don’t have firearms. Can’t do that if you haven’t trained. Can’t do that alone.

        If this escalates far enough and people don’t do as I suggested, there will be no resistance beyond protests, which won’t be enough.

        • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip
          1·
          2 months ago

          I literally just pointed out the “grab a gun and scream wildcats” fallacy below. Again, what is going to happen? The republicans will have experienced so many losses that they, what, pull out of the US and leave it to The Insurgents?

          When that time comes are you gonna let a fascist put a bullet through the back of your skull or are you gonna pick up a firearm and do something?

          Again, what are your rifles and even homemade molotovs going to do against tanks and drones and artillery? Sure, you’ll kill a few soldiers on the ground. They will then pull back and bomb the fuck out of you. Or they’ll just hop in the APC a shocking number of police stations have and run you down while watching tiktok on their phones

          As for “just snipe officials”: Wow. It really is THAT simple.

          By the way, have you considered heading over to Gaza and teaching the Palestinians how to resist? They got guns and they got will. So really, the only problem is they aren’t sniping the right people and killing enough soldiers per day for Israel to pull out, right? I mean, it isn’t like there is a difference between a “peace keeping” force and occupiers who want to eradicate all resistance, right?

          • DarkFuture@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            2 months ago

            Then give up and die. That is your choice. I don’t really care. You aren’t useful in the scenario we’re talking about so I’m not too concerned about what happens to you. You’re dead weight.

    • guyincognito@piefed.socialEnglish
      9·
      2 months ago

      When voting with your voice doesn’t work, and voting with your money doesn’t work, all that left to vote with, is lead.

        • wanderingmagus@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          1·
          2 months ago

          If lead isn’t working, you haven’t used enough of it. Can’t have a problem if the problem-makers are all dead to a man. Or if necessary, to a child.

          • JcbAzPx@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            2 months ago

            What if the problem makers are holed up in a bunker thousands of miles away remotely sending drones to kill you? How much lead does that take?

            • guyincognito@piefed.socialEnglish
              1·
              2 months ago

              I suppose in that case you lay siege and starve them out. Cut off all materials in our out. Supplies run out, and so do million dollar weapons, eventually. Ideally it never gets to that point but what other recourse do you have to stop the march of dystopia?

              • JcbAzPx@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                2 months ago

                You’re going to lay siege from thousands of miles away while being killed by autonomous death robots?

                Okay, good luck.

  • Devolution@lemmy.worldBanned from community
    30·
    2 months ago

    Thank you tankies for putting your feelings above the national grave threat all to feel morally superior.

    • Hegar@fedia.io
      26·
      2 months ago

      I don’t see how tankies are to blame for the overwhelming majority of our country’s most powerful people deciding that they support a fascist coup.

      Even if we pretend that 2024 was a free and fair election, the electorates that could’ve swung it weren’t bastions of non-voting authoritarian socialists.

    • PastaCannon@lemmy.mlBanned
      6·
      2 months ago

      You know that are other countries in the world right? And now the MAJORITY of the countries in the world hate the US?

      So… yes my feelings are above your pathetic puppet state and I feel way way morally superior than bombing civilians and blackmail the world into agreeing with me. Yes.

      You’re welcome.

      • Devolution@lemmy.worldBanned from community
        3·
        2 months ago

        You mean the rest of the world that’s looking at the genocide and saying, “That’s tragic. Oh well?”

        Get over yourself you ignorant child.

        • PastaCannon@lemmy.mlBanned
          4·
          2 months ago

          No, only the few key politicians that Israel/US are blackmailing say “Oh, well” while everyone else is against it.

          Americans elected repeatedly pro-Israeli candidates, last election was between “we commit genocide in the open” and “we secretly commit genocide, you will sleep well tho”. Brave country.

          • Devolution@lemmy.worldBanned from community
            2·
            2 months ago

            More like we don’t approve of genocide in bombing and displacing civilians versus we approve of genocide by actively starving them out.

            Kinda a big difference. One could at least give push back versus the other who tactidly supports this kind of gross behavior.

            • PastaCannon@lemmy.mlBanned
              3·
              2 months ago

              More like we don’t approve of genocide in bombing and displacing civilians

              Well this wasn’t the her stance Ahahah She did approved it, just with longer, quieter action.

              The difference between Rep and Dem in america is the exactly the same as left and right wing Zionism. Just switch jews with christians.

              But ok, let’s pretend I agree. Can you give me one example where a Democrat President pushed back the Zionist project? (JFK is not valid) *with concrete results, not just words

              • Devolution@lemmy.worldBanned from community
                1·
                2 months ago
                1. Obama pushing for Palestinian state. Netanyahu was so threatened by non capitualtion that he attended Republican shit and campaigned for his interests in congress.
                • PastaCannon@lemmy.mlBanned
                  3·
                  2 months ago

                  Oh… he attended an event, what a brave concrete result. So concrete that now we have a Palestinian state right? …Right?

                  Thats all? Surely these very democratic and highly moral politicians have shown empathy for the Palestinians. You wouldn’t support them if they didn’t have a track record of mercy, kindness and empathy.

                  Like Obama, in Iraq, was such a nice dude, so chill, nothing like those pesky republicans 🤮Its incredible we did manage to move his soul and prevent a massacre right?

    • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlBanned from communityEnglish
      4·
      2 months ago

      “tankie” truly does just mean “anyone to the left of the Democrats”

  • glitchdx@lemmy.worldEnglish
    21·
    2 months ago

    What do you mean “revealed” as if this is news? I thought this was the plan the whole fucking time.