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It’s definitely not just pedestrians that have been sold out. Those monster trucks kill everyone from pedestrian to bicyclist, from motorcyclist to smaller car driver. The only thing they have going on for themselves is that if other people have one, you need one, as well, or you are blind on the roads and easy prey when they go hunting.
Heck, they even have an astounding ability to kill children in their own driveways!
Nephew of a guy I worked with was killed in Austin on a summer visa riding an electric scooter by someone turning right in one of these monstrosities. Driver didn’t see him.
Fuck whoever allowed this deal.
And their own drivers - they are far more succeptable to roll over accidents, the most fatal type of accident. And due to being classed as light trucks, rather than cars, they have less rigorous protection against these types of accident.
You say that like that’s a bad thing.
As I posted in another community this was crossposted to: This article is bullshit.
With the exception of what’s happening in the author’s imagination, nothing that’s is happening will make it easier to import or drive these in the EU. In fact, the EU, by respecting categorisations made in the US, will be mandating that these be treated as the dangerous, polluting industrial vehicles they are. They won’t be able to drive through town centres, in low emissions zones, park in car parks, be driven on car licenses, or be taxed and insured like a Fiat Punto any more. So instead of there being tens of thousands of incorrectly regulated one-off exceptions like we have now, there will be vehicles held to the same standards as all the others.
Even that aside, there’s just less demand for them in Europe. The Euro equivalent to a big American truck is the diesel wagon. Has torque, can put a bunch of shit in the back. And it’s enclosed!
Our fuel prices are just so much higher and in a lot of EU countries, most people can’t afford 100k € trucks in the first place.
Damn, if that’s true this comment needs to be way higher
Interesting, may I ask how you know?
Because I read the actual announcement, and I remember something that all authors of sensationalist nonsense about EU laws want their readers to forget: any new law or agreement exists alongside all the existing ones. The actual agreement here is that vehicles can be imported from the US - in fact, it arguably makes it easier - but they will be categorised, regulated and taxed as if they were first registered in the EU rather than given special exemptions. That means they’ll need to meet EU laws on pedestrian safety, emissions, efficiency , and so on. Even ignoring that, these cannot be driven in the EU on a car license because according to the EU they are not cars. So the EU has not opened a floodgate, they’ve closed a loophole.
Thanks for replying, are you implying that they can not be driven with a standard B license? I could believe it but I thought that B encompassed quite a lot of vehicles/mass/sizes
EU (and UK) car licenses cover a maximum fully-laden weight of 3.5T, which these trucks vastly exceed - some of them weigh well over 2.5T before you even put fuel in. Since US regulations are not currently being considered, it’s up to the importer to declare the maximum weight so they just pinky-swear that the MLW is 3,499.9999kg or whatever. It’s arresting to think that if these were judged fairly, most EU drivers couldn’t drive one of these but could drive a LWB Sprinter.
It’s also worth remembering that even in the US, trucks are commercial vehicles distinct from cars and it’s only because of terminal car-brain that they’re subject to exclusions and subsidies that makes it possible to use one just for commuting.
I think you might be right. But there are pbbly still some of those lighter pickups that can be driven by a B licence, which is unfortunate. I found the vehicle chart on Wikipedia quite helpful https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truck_classification
P.S. also crazy that so many US vehicles exceed that weight limit. Heavy and big cars are generally bad for everyone.
not all vehicles can be registered as “mainly for personal transportation” (don’t know the actual term), which is a requirement for B licenses.
The B license is only about gross weight. The limit is 3.5t, it doesn’t matter what the vehicle is registered as. If it’s too heavy, it’s too heavy. If a too heavy vehicle has a light enough empty weight, it might be possible to downrate its gross weight. Of course that means you’ll have much less load capacity then, and getting caught overloaded is no joke.
maybe it’s a regional thing, i know the eu license system is a mess. here it also limits the amount of passengers, and vehicles can be re-registered for use with a b license if they meet certain criteria like number of seats.
The limit to the number of passengers to 8 applies to all licenses other than class D1 and D.
Taken across the street from my house in Amstelveen, just about 15 km from Amsterdam Centraal Station.
The truck parks with tires on the curb, and won’t fit in a space lengthwise either. I am filled with rage every time I see it.
Getting a car like this in the Netherlands of all places is just stupid. This person should be ashamed of themselves (although I bet they’re not)
They’re probably ashamed of an anatomical feature.
Report it to your municipality
You don’t get a ticket for it in the Netherlands?
bylaw
law
vandalism
All of that and you still can’t fit a standard sheet of drywall or plywood in the bed. What a piece of shit.
Workmen here all use vans. Although admittedly if they’re doing a lot of work the materials are usually dropped off by a truck (an actual truck, not a pickup truck).
Same here but I am seeing workmen slowly changing over to pick ups. More expensive and less versatile but they are still getting more popular.
Europeans can vote with their wallets and boycott nonsensical vehicles from the fascist country across the pond. They don’t have to wait for their increasingly corrupt powers that be to do the work for them you know…
Except the endangered pedestrians aren’t the buyers… The rules are to protect the pedestrians from buyers that value their purchase above the safety of others
Consumers does have a lot of power but consumers seems to be influenced a lot and not reflect “logical” and “human” in their choice.
Yeah, no… that will not work. People always want the biggest dick, car, home whatever… Some people will buy them for sure.
A few years ago I saw a massive Dodge Ram at an autobahn rest stop in Carinthia in Austria, license plate from Mödling, a suburb of Vienna. Stuck right the hell out as an outlier in the parking lot, towering over and wider than anything else. I went to go take a pic of it, and surprisingly/unsurprisingly on the back was a 3D-printed badge that says WWG1WGA
For those confused, I took one for the team and googled “WWG1WGA”, turns out it is related to Q and means “Where We Go One, We Go All” or something dumb like that
WWG1WGA
What’s that?
It’s from the Q Anon cult in the US. It’s the crew who push a ton of antisemitic and conspiracy theories designed to push it’s followers into Nazism.
My keys feel suddenly very drawn to these cars.
They won’t even see you when you get close enough
Everyone’s kicking off about trucks but what about the millions of SUV’s people drive without even needing to ability to go off road. The most common argument for owning one is the higher driving position or it being “safer”
To be fair, most SUVs can not handle off road terrain anyway. But i get you.
And they are not safer. Although they do have a larger crumple zone, the reason for this is that they have more mass which necessitates more energy to be absorbed.
They simultaneously have higher kill rates when colliding with people on foot or on a bike. So altogether, they are less safeSomeone should demonstrate the center of gravity concept for them
I would add to have some more loading space (or better usable)
If you’re looking for loading space, get a station wagon instead of a SUV, because the enormous wheels of a SUV take away quite a bit of interior space. Also SUVs are rather heavy empty already, so you can’t load that much weight without overloading. A family of 4 with baggage for a 2 week vacation might already be too much for some models.
All cars have collapsing rear seats this is a moot point unless you’re carrying large loads frequently. And if you are just get a van
So have SUV.
And if you practice some sports like scuba diving is really convenient to have some more load capacity and and higher trunk that you can use to seat down while preparing.
I can hate two things.
Insane
I’m 6’4" and my head and shoulders is really all that’s visible. (And that’s for the trucks without lift kits)
I’ve not seen any of the small penis vehicles in Spain yet, or France for that matter…
I do drive between Spain and the UK twice a year, just got back from the UK yesterday after driving through France.
However, I’ve seen a fair few in the UK and they look ridiculous.
If we all catch on and get them known as small penis vehicles, or SPV’s colloquially then hopefully people will be scared to buy them
Can’t wait to draw dicks on them tanks ^^
Maybe get stickers that read ‘emotional support vehicle’
I would prefer Murderous Monster
sad sounds of penises shrinking
Appeasement never works. They tried that with Hitler back in the day.
Guess what insurance businesses will do with that. Maybe not all is lost.
I doubt that it will change much, those monstrosities are so massively impractical that only a handful of select idiots will even consider buying one.
Unfortunately you are severely underestimating the amount of idiots…
disgusting
if the government endangers the populace, it’s up to the populace to ensure the fuckers who have these vehicles are inclined not to drive them
