Funny to think of the right viewing the, globally speaking, center-right as “radical left”. The level of hyperbole and hypocrisy from the right is stupefying.
It’s one thing I am trying to impart on my kids. If someone speaks fluently in hyperbole and absolutes, or getting louder the more they are challenged (or both), 100% they are full of shit and trying to sell you something.
I wish they were radical left.
Or even regular left.
Or left light, or left light classic.
~It’s just left zero.~
It’s just one of those generic brands you’ll find on some low shelf in a semi-abandoned dollar store.
Are the crystal left?
They are, I’m afraid, new left.
Ah yes, right.
Man that shit got cancelled so fast and hard Tipper Gore put a warning label on it. This shit is like Kroger-brand diet Pibleft.
Shit, or even actual centrists…
Id settle if they just left all together.
Or just radical!
According to the very special imperial political spectrum created by the USA, they are leftists! Of course this has no bearing on reality, a perfect fit for out country the United Scammers and Assholes.
Yep. They might actually do something.
Democrats need to let the shutdown happen but im almost positive they’ll just give the fascist everything he wants instead.
Schumer et al: “best we can do is write some sternly worded letters”
This is offensive. They also had signs.
Ah yes I almost forgot about those ping pong paddles…
“Send us money to keep first past the post voting safe the two party system intact!”
They need to shut it down AND call for a nationwide general strike. And then we don’t stop until every Republican has been removed from government, gerrymandering has been outlawed and fixed, and RCV is the law of the land.
Seriously. That’s what’s lacking from nearly all Democratic politicians. They don’t want to lead, they just want resistance to materialize externally, do some tone policing, and then take credit for any successes. When you’re systematically powerless, you should be building your power to impact the system from external sources.
They’re going to let the shutdown happen but they’re not going to point the blame where it needs to go. They’re going to be spineless and let the Republicans blame them for the shutdown.
They absolutely have to shut it down. That said, if they lose the messaging game (they will) they will absolutely lose this fight.
That’s exactly what Republicans want. They’ve already proven previously that the people don’t actually care about a shutdown occurring. And that just lets t hem further reduce government expenses. The things that get shutdown are things they can’t grift from anyway so they don’t care about them.
It’s a lose/lose, but at this point the fascist-controlled agencies are actively working against their intended purposes, so losing in the way that shuts down the government is the lesser evil.
losing in the way that shuts down the government is the lesser evil.
Standards are low. We can easily do better if we break these legacy political parties duoopoly on the electoral system.
Okay, but that’s not going to happen by October or whenever the funding deadline is.
You gotta have a plan that’s actually actionable in the short term, or else you’re just indulging in pointless wankery.
Shutting it down would be giving him what he wants: expanded powers and no one to answer to (because the government is shut down).
Shut it down.
Shut it all down.
Do you know the way to Shell Beach?
You know something? I don’t think the sun even… exists… in this place.
Except a government shutdown doesn’t shut down the entire government. It shuts down Congress and many executive agencies while expanding the powers of the president; and one of the heads of the executive branch, nominated by Trump, is one of the authors of Project 2025.
Guess we like using Project 2025 as a rhetorical gotcha but not any in terms of keeping its implementation out of reach; noted.
Guess what isn’t shutdown during a shutdow: DHS, ICE, and immigration.
Shut it the fuck down.
Don’t worry, I’m sure they will find some moral-grandstanding excuse to avoid doing it.
Aka aipac money
You think it’ll reopen?
After renovations are complete.
Hopefully not
The alternative would probably be an all out dictatorship, no?
Hard to keep a dictatorship when your gestapo isnt being paid.
Trump will just pay them out of his own pocket.
Nope, couldn’t say it with a straight face.
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I’m being flippant here, but the federal government is doing much more harm than good right now.
We don’t even have the NOAA or CDC anymore
Never open back up
I’m still waiting to see who these ‘radical left democrats’ are… cuz I’m more left and radical than ANYONE that’s elected currently. I don’t understand how that doesn’t just get old…
You’re not radical or left enough to have gone all the way around to being extremely right… it’s like a circle…
Horseshoe theory is bullshit.
The original spectrum is based on seating arrangements of the French ruling body after the revolution. Maybe that’s not a good model to begin with.
Government is starting to break down. Officials are being arrested by ICE. This really feels like the pot is so ready to boil, which just sucks for the average Joe trying to get by.
Pots been boiling for years, the right just put a lock on the lid like a pressure cooker.
And took the knob, and sold it to Russia. They’ll sell us a new knob, but it just spins on the axle, occasionally turns red hot, and yells banal insults at you.
Likely will try and pull some ‘because congress is absent’ emergency rule bullshit to grab for full dictator powers.
The other subtext is coloring Schumer and Jeffries as terrorists.
More evidence for the next Nuremberg trials.
Nuremberg trials happened because an alliance of antifascist countries fought hard at great cost to take the fascists down with the help of organized resistance inside. Today we don’t seem to have any of the prerequisites.
There are precedents from a few different countries that fought to overthrow a tyrannical government and then had to sort out how to deal with recovering and rebuilding their politics and society in whatever form. Chile, Argentina, South Africa, or Ukraine might be better models than postwar Germany.
There is also this: https://www.files.ethz.ch/isn/126900/8008_FDTD.pdf which is based on absolutely exhaustive real world research about what does and doesn’t work, and is highly regarded in a ton of activist communities outside the US (and for some reason almost unknown inside it.)
Imagine invading the Americas. Hope you got allies in canada, central and or south America to establish a beachhead (assuming they havent been occupied).
D day only had to cross the channel and it was a immense effort.
They’re going to do all that that anyway. Trying to argue that we should give them what they want because they might do bad things otherwise is a quite absurd position considering all the terrible and illegal things they’ve done already and helping them in their pursuits is exactly what the Democrats have been doing this entire time.
Hadn’t said anyone should give them what they want, but I see them using as a pretext to try a power grab.
Giving them what they want is implicit to preemptively backing down from a fight. If these legislators aren’t actively opposing them, then they’re giving them what they want.
As I said, they’ll invent pretexts wherever they feel like. Some white Morman kid shot Charlie Kirk and theyre blaming trans people, Jimmy Kimmel, and antifa for it for example.
If he will call you radical left anyway, then why not try to be the radical left he calls you for just a day?
What would the donors think?
They believe anyone who isn’t them is a radical leftist.
Yep, and that’s why Trump declared (specifically) antifa as a terrorist organization. Anyone that he wants to say is antifa, is now antifa.
Basically.
Schumer is going to give him such a tweeting 😡
I bet he’ll even follow it up with a strongly worded letter with at least 3 very strong points addressed to whomever will pay attention to him.
Only if the Baileys think that’s the right thing to do.
No matter how far to the right democrats shift, republicans will always call them radicals.
It’s called Propaganda.
Anyone who doesn’t kiss his ring is “radical left”
Shutdown might help Trump to push his project 2025 agenda with no judges working and the justice halted.
I know that was Schumer’s excuse last time, but I’m not sure that really adds up. The federal courts can still fund themselves for a few weeks after a shutdown. Also, the lower courts are slowing Trump down, but the Supreme Court is consistently ruling in his favor. If anything, he should want the courts to be running as quickly as possible so he can keep appealing and getting the Supreme Court to overturn all the restrictions the lower courts are placing on him.
Plus, while ICE is being designated an essential agency and ICE agents are expected to fulfill their full duties during a shutdown, they do it without pay (and get back-pay when the shutdown ends). That’s not a big deal for a week, but if you stretch a shutdown out for a month, that starts to hurt. I’d like to see how loyal Trump’s dogs are when they’re not getting fed.
Schumer said after the fact, or his underlings leaked, that he knew public perception last time would have favored the Republicans even more as a result, as they successfully blamed the shutdown on Dems. But now he no longer sees this equation that way.
I’m not a big fan of his right now but I like to at least hope that level of strategy is actually happening
Schumer said after the fact, or his underlings leaked, that he knew public perception last time would have favored the Republicans even more as a result, as they successfully blamed the shutdown on Dems.
I’m not buying this narrative. After a solid year of democrats insisting that biden was pressuring netanyahu behind the scenes when absolutely nothing of the sort was actually happening, I place no faith at all in any assertion of what’s going on behind the scenes. This is a post facto justification of actions schumer took because he wanted to. If I were to give him the benefit of the doubt here and accept the “public perception wouldn’t be with us” narrative, the best I can say is that he’s a spineless amoral windsock who is utterly incapable of leadership.
But now he no longer sees this equation that way.
He’ll find some new excuse to cave. It may take time. He might actually go through with it this time, but it won’t last more than a week and there will be zero concessions for ending the shutdown.
Strong leadership can shape public perception, so if that’s true, it’s just a further indictment of his inability to lead. I have to assume that Schumer thought Trump wouldn’t be able to get enough House Republicans behind his bill, and had no plan for how the Senate would respond if he did. It’s the only possible explanation for why he would let every House Democrat take the position that the shutdown would be preferable to the bill, then make them all look like idiots a few days later. I don’t think there’s any strategy happening here.
Because all those precious checks and balances work right?
No pay for ICE et. Al.
The judges are helping him push P2025…
Calling it. Something about “but muh federal works don’t deserve this” wiping away tears with $100 bills.
Shut down the government. Fascism is based on one part greed, and if the lowest arent getting paid maybe they’ll stop being able to do as much damaging stuff.
