In real life, if someone got a black hoodie and a mask and decided to “fight crime”, how successful would they be?
I’m ex-police (did 13 years - UK).
In 13 years of active patrol, (if you’re not counting stopping someone suspicious, searching them and finding some drugs/weapon) I probably stumbled on a crime in progress maybe two or three times. Only one of those was what you’d call serious and that was a kid threatening another kid with a knife as i happened to walk round the corner.
And a couple of shop lifters whilst I was in the security office having a cup of tea with the shop manager.
The hardest part about being a vigilante is actually finding the crime in the first place.
The second hardest part would be actually detaining them without any real authority. The knife lad dropped the knife immediately when I shouted at him. As a masked vigilante you wouldn’t have that authority. You don’t have any backup or anyone to call. And you dont have anywhere to take your captured criminal once you’ve detained them.
Assuming UK cops aren’t as utterly as untrustworthy as north american cops, (which you probably are purely because you don’t always bring around a gun), what are you meant to do with a knife attack? Wack people with a stick? Run away and called for armed backup? I assume the latter, but what about in the immediate?
Carry out a “dynamic risk assessment”.
For me i relied on shock, awe and the fact I was twice this lad’s size.
But yes, metal stick/CS gas were options as well.
It’s nice to see a (former) cop getting to talk without everyone spamming ACAB. That doesn’t actually help anything.
Thank you
Plenty of crime where I am and the police won’t do a thing about it! Any idea how I would report the police for not coming out for the crimes? A few of the crimes are fighting, drug dealing, street racing, ant social behaviour all of which occur late at night/ early hours in the morning.
Contacting the local area commander/neighbourhood inspector would usually be your first port of call
I will start there. Thank you so much!
No worries.
Just keep badgering them. If you get nowhere then you go to the chief inspector and so on.
What do you do now?
Infosec and compliamce/governance now. Left the police over 10 years ago
Someone with that username enforcing compliance is kinda scary.
Lol its a gamer handle I’ve been using for about 25 years so just a coincidence. I am actually very mild mannered. You catch more bees with honey and all that
I demand that you aggressively prove your mild mannered nature.
I think you’re supposed to be catching the flies, not the bees.
Why do you want flies? Bees make more honey
Finding it in the first place would be hard, and getting there faster than evenly-distributed squad cars would be even harder.
Then once they get there, more often than not beating an individual person up isn’t the solution - even if it’s a domestic, the victims have a way of sticking up for the abuser. Or maybe it’s a dispute and you’re not sure who the bad guy is, and you’d need some kind of court system to work it out anyway.
In real life where those problems can’t be written out, you’ve basically taken everything the police are criticised for and amplified it.
You could specialize in types of crime the cops don’t usually get involved in, like corporate wage theft.
You need lawyers to fight that, not vigilantes
Vigilante lawyers?
Edit: Yeah, not really vigilante but still…
Practicing law… without a license
This is literally Daredevil lmao
It’s true, this isn’t Mario and the money won’t come out just from jumping on them.
What if it’s Luigi?
I was gonna say. I know one CEO that isn’t stealing anyone’s wages anymore.
And what has changed since? An individual murdering one single person doesn’t change anything in the grand scheme of things. You can’t lone wolf systemic change.
I wonder how many it would take though? It’sa shame that we’ll probably never find out because even if they enact laws or taxes on wealth, I e little chance of the wealthy letting it apply to them.
We’re still waiting for free healthcare to come out of Brian Thompson’s grave and start sliding along just above the ground.
The crime was very well planned, but a random CEO wasn’t actually a meaningful target. The Charlie Kirk thing was basically the opposite.
You have to hold them upside down and shake them for the money to fall out of their pockets.
Bruce Wayne would have reduced city crime way faster by building affordable housing, and tending to the basic needs of the homeless and the disadvantaged using only the extra profit margins of his wealth.
But he literally does. The problem is that Gotham is literally fucking cursed in a way that makes people aggressive and evil. And like, I don’t think that kinda stuff would stop the Joker from bombing orphanages, or Black Mask/Penguin from running protection rackets, or stop Killer Croc from literally eating people, or stop Nigma from putting people in actual Saw traps…
Like, a good portion of Batman’s rogue gallery are people that the police CANNOT deal with. Hell, I would argue that even an entire counter-terrorism unit couldn’t deal with the bullshit the Batman rogues pull in a weekly basis.
EDIT: Oh yeah, let’s not forget half of the police in Gotham (if not ALL OF IT) is corrupt and is getting bought by those SAME rogues.
Gordon is often the only one presented as untouched by mob money. Usually a few other younger, newer recruits that are too green to get a piece of the spoils.
Commissioner Gordon is the only good cop. I respect him more than any other Batman character, even Bats himself.
Commissioner Gordon is the only good cop.
This is Montoya slander.
I have no idea who that guy is 😭
The last movie touches on this in that there is a Wayne fund for this improving socioeconomic conditions, but every politician and mafia member has their fingers in it. Good shit. Could’ve cut the length by a good 40 minutes or so
It’s unclear what effect that would have on the many costume-wearing criminals, but we can hope.
Low level individual crimes wouldn’t be practical. Probably more worthwhile to try to follow more reliable organised crime or repeat offending criminals or something. Although even that wouldn’t practical as an individual without serious investigative resources and you’d still probably end up dead pretty quickly.
The only successful vigilantism is probably the online entrapment of paedophiles or something of that sort. Even that is highly questionable.
Going undercover to eventually blow the whistle could be doable, I guess. I seem to remember reading in a criminology text that there’s actually career snitches that do basically that in hopes of a reward. Which seems crazy, but whatever.
It’s not really what I think OP was thinking of, though.
I’ve hears animal rights activists will get a job in a slaughter house to blow the whistle.
Yes, to the point where the people hiring for those jobs are pretty paranoid now.
The closest we’ve had it a green hatted man
Depends entirely on how successful the media wanted him to be. He could be a just, moral and enlightened force for good, but if the he wasn’t dancing to the tune of certain corporations the public could very easily be made to hate him.
Fighting street crime is tough, hard to find and it leaves little evidence. White collar crime OTH often leaves a paper trail. They don’t wear capes, but investigative journalists use these paper trails to uncover such crimes.
Yeah, Bellingcat is the closest thing to a real Batman.
Ask Phoenix Jones. He did exactly that for three years, although he never actually tried to conceal his identity. He retired from superheroing to be an MMA fighter.
Allow me to introduce you to Phoenix Jones
I laughed so hard when I found out about him selling MDMA
This deserves a post of its own
I’ve seen his name somewhere (probably from Cr1tikal), but never watched a video on him.
Not very. The list of real-world obstacles is long, but there are a few top ones that leave super-heroes firmly in the world of fantasy. (Outside of a few edge-cases that others have listed here, people who really seem to have done small-time stunts for attention rather than a real effort to “fight crime.”)
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Guns. The biggest obstacle in the US at least would be the high likelihood that the criminals you try to beat up, people already willing to break the law and victimize others, will just pull out a gun and shoot you in the face because you seem insane and threatening. Body armor may help with some shots from some angles and some calibers, but most likely you will go down even if it stops the bullet.
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Getting your ass beat. I studied and taught self-defense and martial arts for well over a decade. The biggest lesson I learned from it is to NEVER get into a fight if you can at all help it. It doesn’t matter how big and tough you are, if you’re looking for a fight on the streets, you WILL get hurt. You will lose teeth, you will get maimed, you will get cut and stabbed, you will face off two people and one will trip you and you will end up with every rib in your body shattered. Every street fight ends up rolling around on the ground, do YOU want to end up on the ground with multiple people trying to kick your teeth in?
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Finding a crime. If you’re really lucky you might see a hollywood-style crime in progress once in your life. The “group of robbers hijacking an armored car” type crimes are vastly outweighed by the “ex boyfriend uses his key and slips in while everyone is gone and takes the playstation and perfumes” type crimes. The vast majority of ALL crimes are between people who know each other or family members, how tf you gonna find that shit going down?
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Cops. Their success rate at catching perpetrators and suspects is much lower than media would like you to believe, but they’re generally going to be better armed, more organized and more capable of finding and arresting your ass. They don’t take kindly to nutcases on the street upstaging them or causing public disturbances.
Let’s say you prepare. Let’s say you train and be the best fighter in the world. Let’s say you get money or investors who help you develop the highest-level meta-material alloy armors and weapons and electronics. A million dollars in advanced optics, ballistic armor that lets you move freely, drones that fly around and scout for you, machine-gun tasers or knockout-gas bombs and rope-bola launchers that let you trip up bad guys before they even get close… you still trip on a curb and get your ass beat and your gear stolen, because running around the streets in the dark is fucking hard and you are still always just going to be a lone human made of squishy meat and with limited capabilities.
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Hopefully they’d be arrested quickly. Crime isn’t some big force in the night you csn just go out and fight. It’s people doing things until the thing they do is illegal. It’s hidden usually. That person would probably beat up a lot of people who can’t be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and they’re likely to just get picked up for acting suspicious
unless they have powers, they will end like luigi, weeks or months. unless you are cognizant enough to hit a different area/person every time.
Luigi continued to wear the same, or very similar, clothes long after the shooting. Batman doesn’t wear his costume when off duty. Also Luigi’s phone gave the cops all sorts of evidence. TheHatedOne on Youtube has a video on this.
None of that came close to bringing him down, though - it was normal clothing and I don’t think anything he did with his phone would have given him away in advance of being captured.
The thing that really did it was his distinctive eyebrows being all over the news. A bit of basic disguise work would be smart if you want to do that kind of thing and get away with it. And probably don’t target a random health insurance bureaucrat.
It happens, and they aren’t as impactful as they are represented in movies, TV, and comics.
I first learned about this phenomenon when Phoenix Jones was arrested for using pepper spray to break up a street fight. That’s when I learned that there are a handful of people all over the world that don a mask to confront crime. There’s a list on Wikipedia.
Real life would probably lean more toward a detective gathering evidence v getting into fights.
Using OSINT techniques to find convicted people for the bounty is a fairly safe way to fight crime.
Allow me to introduce you all to Angle Grinder Man.
Awesome.
At a lower level there was that guy who drew dicks on potholes to get the council to fix them. Edit: wanksy
Pre-19th century: would literally make out like a bandit, assuming they knew how to fight & had supernatural powers
20th century: would make out like gangbusters until the invention and widespread use of CCTV
21st century: without active electronic/optics countermeasures, it’s all over, anonymity of secret identity impossible to keep
Same scenario goes for villains, who were previously able to simply outrun/outwit pursuit by authorities, often within the same country. Wire services made this more difficult, depending on the pursuers in question, then moreso with radio, then moreso with telephony & TV broadcasts, then moreso with the advent of the internet. Current tech can analyze recording of subjects and lift face shots, as well as highly specific information like gait (now sometimes touted in the same way as debunked “bite mark analysis” circa the 1980’s courts/justice system). A hoodie would be workable only under the loosest conditions, the second that anyone pulled off the hood, or the subject in question were photographed both with/without it on, it’s all over.
I just don’t think you’d make up to the C Suite offices to do any good. Best you could do is maybe tackle a jaywalker.
They would be like the Brian Thompson assasin
Get in, do the deed on a deserving rich person, then disappear.
I wonder if they will ever catch the person who did that.