It has nothing to do with anti-semitism, and in fact nothing to do with ethnicity at all.
Conversely, the people who today don’t protest against the Palestinian Genocide would not have protested against the Holocaust.
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A Polish resistance fighter willingly infiltrated Auchswitz in 1940 and broke out in 1943 with incontrovertible evidence. They just weren’t taken seriously. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witold_Pilecki#Auschwitz
Also worth a read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_of_the_Holocaust_in_Nazi_Germany_and_German-occupied_Europe
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“Earth” already knew before the war started.
protests the Holocaust
“Oh my god, that’s so Germanaphobic! You monster!”
I would be 0% surprised if the 1930s version of that did in fact happen. “Those fucking poles can’t run a country, good on Hitler to show them how to keep their rabble in check” or something like that, and spoken in a transatlantic accent.
They did, there was a lot of backlash against anti-nazis, especially pre-holocaust. Partially because nazi propoganda was so effective across the world. But also partially because anti-Semitism was practically mainstream across the world.
US famously rejected a boat of 900 jewish and other German refugees cause 1 dude lied (these people would be sent back and 40% of them would later die in the holocaust). We were terrified of foreign spies, which is an attitude that culminated in it internment of the Japanese. We were offered Jewsih refugees many times, including like 20,000 children, we rejected them.
US famously rejected a boat of 900 jewish and other German refugees cause 1 dude lied (these people would be sent back and 40% of them would later die in the holocaust). We were terrified of foreign spies, which is an attitude that culminated in it internment of the Japanese. We were offered Jewsih refugees many times, including like 20,000 children, we rejected them.
Right on track, the US is deporting Russian dissidents back to Russia, where they’ll likely be tortured. Thank a lot, republicans! Really helping out your pal putin.
Jews becoming supremists, falling for a Reichstag fire event, staying quiet, and following orders to comitt a genocide against a semite population is not something I had on my bingo card.
Do you know nothing of Israels history? Even before the country was formed (and before WW1) when it was Zionist extremists pouring into the region, this was always the end goal.
Einstein even clued onto what Israel was very quickly once he saw it.
Who protested against the Holocaust?
That’s against Nazis. Not a lot of people knew about the Holocaust outside of Germany.
I found this one, which happened in Berlin and led to the release of 1800 Jewish people (!).
A lot of people knew.
Resistance networks who hid and smuggled targets out of reach at the very least.
A form of protest, perhaps, but probably not what OP was thinking of.
Yes and that started before the outbreak of war. For example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kindertransport
Seems mostly driven by religious, Jewish and Quaker groups who I’m sure organised demonstrations and petitioned governments and so on.
They might not have known the full details, or how it escalated and spread into occupied territory after the war started, but most of europe’s political leaders knew for sure something pretty awful was causing tens of thousands of refugees. I think krystallnacht was public knowledge and made it pretty much impossible to ignore.
I think most of these countries could have done more a lot sooner. Accepting the child refugees was pretty much a bare minimum that they just couldn’t refuse.
But even FDR didn’t get this bill through in the US, which seems pretty crazy in retrospect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner%E2%80%93Rogers_Bill
Do those protesting for Gaza also protest about Sudan, Yemen, Rohingya, West Sahara, Yezidis, Uyghurs, Christians in Nigeria, Kurds, and so on?
Yes.
Do those protesting for Gaza also protest about Sudan, Yemen, Rohingya, West Sahara, Yezidis, Uyghurs, Christians in Nigeria, Kurds, and so on?
Whenever I read this, I roll my eyes. This is one of the most ridiculous arguments.
You have to start somewhere and you can’t put your focus on everything. Plus your argument is a method to move the topic to “do you/they this and this and this and that?” Instead of the actual on-topic.
The OP‘s argument is exactly that.
Not true but it seems you love to go off-topic and use whataboutism and therefore I will just block you. That way I don’t have to see your pro-genocide and anti-protesting nonsense.
Some do. Thing is, it’s a BIG world and someone somewhere is being abused and oppressed at all times.
People and countries are also experiencing freedom, growth and democratic expansion.
Go visit the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin and you’ll see a different protest every day.
It is on my way to work, so yes I see different protests going on. It’s not the same people though.
Yes.
Do you pick and choose what genocide you tolerate?
So you do finally admit that Israel is perpetrating a genocide in Gaza?
I mean not exactly the same people because there are definitely some antisemitic shit heads that are using the protest as cover and are trying to radicalize people that rightfully protest the israeli government to also hate the israeli population.
The whole situation has nuance that I don’t see talked about a lot on here.
I’ve been to a pro-pal protests few around different cities and have never met any real anti-Semite on the side of the protest. I have, however, met a couple of counter protesters that hold the Israeli flag yet proudly call themselves white supremacists.
Not a lot of nuance to bombing hospitals.
Thank you for demonstrating the issue.
You’re not contradicting their point, you know?
guess what, Palestinians are the real semites in this genocide. israelis are european.
I 100% agree but you do realize most people did not go out and protest the jewish holocaust while it was going on?
I doubt it since the holocaust happened 70 years ago
Are you sure they were not just anti-germanic!?
I doubt that was a literal shower thought .
It sounds like one. It’s brief, reasonably presented and quite obvious.
I think wewbull is saying they would have to expend a lot of energy to have that kind of thought 🤭
with ZYKLON B showers.
Then there are those who ask to expand the Holocaust and increase the throughput that disengaged people indirectly support by not arguing/voting against their wishes at least.
My current plan is to wait for my basic coworkers to have kids, and those kids to be old enough to ask “what did you do in the 2020s to fight fascism?”. They’ll lie and say they did a lot, and I’ll burst through the wall to shout “NO THEY DIDN’T. THEY DID SHIT. THEY STAYED HOME AND PLAYED VIDEO GAMES. YOUR DADDY IS A COWARD”.
Hopefully somehow this will result in my coworkers dying alone and unloved in a pit of shame or something.
But the reality is their egos are indestructible and they will always think they’re good people, and their kids will probably be the same.
And when the kid turns around to you and asks “What did you do to fight fascism”, you will say…?
Went to protests, volunteered for better candidates, tried to get other people involved. The bare minimum, perhaps, but more than another run of Baldur’s gate 3.
To be fair, most of Russian dissidents are angry about how the war is fought.
They would have wanted Ukraine to be taken over in a way that doesn’t spill Russians’ blood.
There are people in the Russia that are really against the whole war and want to see all of Ukraine’s territory liberated, but those are not many! I would estimate their number is somewhere between 100 and a bit over 1000 individuals. Among 140 million.
A good way to figure this is asking “who does Crimea belong to?”
Everyone who is really a dissident will say “Ukraine”, because in reality the case is crystal clear. Everybody who moved there knew it’s not part of the Russia in the same manner as other regions where the white-blue-red flag is waved. And yet they elected to move there. It’s a sad thing they’ll need to move away, yes, but they knew or at least had the responsibility to know what they are doing. And this is what Russian dissidents (both of them…) think.
But almost all “dissidents” will say “it’s complicated” or something similar. That’s how you know a person protesting against how the war is done.And let me say: it is statistically extremely unlikely that the deported ones were among those 0,00071 % of the Russia’s population that are real dissidents.
its a bit more complex, sadly. german antifascist groups have been leaning towards being very zionist
You can’t be anti-fascist and pro-zionism. That’s like being against animal cruelty except for chickens.
I completely agree. anti-Deutsch have be3j internationally condemned
Jews in other countries probably protested against the Holocaust but most didn’t for the Gaza War(s)
Idk. I think that is a large factor. But there are also other large factors. Beside that one arabic group that is like the bros of isreal, i think like all arabic ppls are against palestinian genocide. aka i think it also has to do with who the involved parties are and the relationships linked cultural groups have to them.
