Really proud of Canada not going down the same path my dumb ass country did
It wasn’t by a large margin… Canadians are turning fascist just like a lot of other countries.
Yes, we narrowly avoided going down the Trump route this time, but I don’t find this picture particularly encouraging (NDP, Green and BQ are the three most progressive parties):
Source: National Post
It’s not straightforward to understand that, since this is a chart of seats not votes, and you can get weird effects with first-past-the-post and strategic voting, but it certainly looks like the electorate is moving rightwards at the expense of progressives.
Maybe the left is realizing that they are fighting for really critical human rights, their autonomy and their country, so it’s time to stop splitting the vote among marginal left wing parties?
Certainly there’s a lot of strategic voting going on. But you don’t see the Liberal (centrist) seat count increasing as the NDP goes down: the gains are all with the Conservatives. If it were a matter of progressives deciding to just consolidate with Liberals, you’d expect to see the Liberal seat count go up as the smaller parties went down. To me this suggests either that some people are flipping directly from left to right or that there is a general rightwards drift, with right-wing Liberals going over to Conservatives and left-wing strategic voters filling in some of the gap they leave for the Liberals. In either case it’s concerning that when the Conservatives fielded their most far-right leader so far, their share of the seats went up.
In either case it’s concerning that when the Conservatives fielded their most far-right leader so far, their share of the seats went up.
It’s not surprising at all, the 2 conservative parties in Germany are the most far-right and second most far-right parties. They host politicians who are grandsons and granddaughters of real Nazi SS officers (like the leader of the AfD: Alice Weidel, her grandpa was directly responsible for thousands of civilian deaths as military judge and prosecuter and later chief military judge for Adolf fucking Hitler. They copy their talking points one to one and would love to see people dissappear, who are not looking like them. Conservatives, for the most part, are atrociously far-right.
But splitting the vote isn’t an issue with proportional representation is it? If the libs lose one seat to the greens that’s still one seat not occupied by the cons.
The liberals are not a left wing party, but ya people are just scared of trump and our own conservatives, understandably so.
I don’t think the answer to the corrupting influence of America’s rotting republic is to become a two party system.
What’s the answer?
Electoral reform would be a good start. Ranked Choice isn’t perfect, but it’s easy to implement and much better than our current system, asvwe build appetite for a truly progressive voting method.
On what planet is the BQ (bloq quebecois) a progressive party? NDP and green for sure.
Bloc are literally a Quebec only nationalist/separatist. The cons are angry at them because they “stole” a bunch of their Quebec voters/seats. If that’s your target audience you aren’t on the progressive end of the spectrum.
In the policies section of the page you link, there are a number of positions that are typically associated with “progressive” politics.
And a broken clock is right twice a day. Just because a couple policies from a party are progressive doesn’t overwrite the fact that their founding tenants are hyper nationalistic (if you count Quebec as an independent nation).
Until social networks are mare criminally liable for the crap they spew this won’t be turned around.
They all have to be sued nonstop for slander, defamation, and high treason or else all their leaders and pundits dragged into the streets and beaten to death in front of their kids. Waiting for society to right itself is never gonna happen.
I’m hoping the margin was tight because most people, even the ones who voted liberal, held their nose as they did it. We don’t like a party being in charge for this long, but the alternative is worse and worse every election. Pierre poilievre was however the worst and most dickish conservative I’ve seen in a while, so I hate how close this was.
Both Jason Kenney and Andrew Scheer, the two prior Conserrvative leaders, also completely blew their chances of winning by relying on the rightwing outrage pipeline and by being completely unlikable as a human beings.
Side story, I worked in government and received an MP complaint against me by a client, and the MP was Jason Kenney. I had to talk to him a bit everyday for a week or so, and he came off as incredibly stupid. Blew my mind a year later when he was on a ballot lol.
I was asked by a conservative volunteer why I wasn’t voting Con, I told him to write it down for the higher ups “I will never vote for a candidate who makes up cute little trump style nicknames for his opponents like carbon tax carney, and that any politician who rallies against woke culture has brain worms”
Conservatives still winning over 40% of all votes total. Definitely a very bad sign.
That is the sad thing.
Hopefully Australia follows suit, as we have our own Temu Trump in opposition coming into our election.
lol suck it conservaturds.
thank you, canada, for not following america’s path to ruin.
Yet. Stay vigilant
Ironically, Trudeau hanging around for a long as he did may have saved Canada. If this election had happened in the middle of last year, the Conservatives would have probably won and combined with Trump, it would have been a disaster. Possibly the smartest/luckiest thing he has ever done.
At the end of the day it all comes down to the role of the dice.
in this case it was the early voter turnout and the special ballots that really lifted it. And we cannot ever forget Bloc. They did a huge push on this one. No one hates Trump quite as much as Quebecois and they showed it 20 fold. Quite a ride watching all this. Especially what with the cyber attacks on the PM during this short campaign was relentless as was the propaganda radios. It honestly should be a case study on how out of control the propaganda was getting on X and facebook.
Trump made Québécois what Canadians themselves couldn’t do, make Québécois more Canadian.
Cannot believe I’m living in an era where Alberta is more separatist than Quebec.
A common threat forces people together.
Watching them sing the anthem full-throated during the 4 nations was a sight to behold.
In Canada, the US, and the UK, yeah. In countries with good elections, things are a little more deterministic.
Idk if you’re a nerd, but Brian Klass is a contemporary political scientist who actually challenges this, and yet still affirms a determinist lense. His latest book is on his chaos theory that I think can be helpful navigating our current world.
Here’s his big think interview if you’re interested!
One way to think of this is that we can’t predict the future with what we know of the past because the “rules” are constantly changing. One example is an academic paper that was written that said middle eastern dictatorships were especially stable in comparison to others, but then a year later the Arab Spring occurs. His take is that the author wasn’t wrong- based on all the information of the past it made sense that these dictatorships were not going away anytime soon, but what happened was the world changed making those assumptions moot.
So the idea that European democracies are inherently stable isn’t necessarily a given, and as our world is drastically changing, our tools to gauge the health of a democracy are becoming less and less relevant.
I’m happy for you Canada.
You succeeded where America couldn’t.
Are y’all accepting asylum for programmers / tech professionals?
If you’re serious, start looking for companies hiring up here. As I understand it’s not easy, even for economic class immigrants, but I work in tech and I work with many immigrants (albeit not usually from the US, but it’s a different world now). Mind you - please look carefully into the financial impacts as it is a change from the US. Salaries are lower and taxes generally higher, which may or may not be offset in your context in other ways (healthcare a big one, income tax deductions, etc.) But many people, myself included, prefer Canada regardless of the reduced compensation. It’s not always about money.
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Asylum, not yet. There’s still a treaty on the books recognising America as equivalently safe. Presumably it will get rolled back soon.
If you’re serious, I can send you to the points quiz for economic immigrants.
What happens when a ‘safe third country’ starts adopting extractionary systems left behind by colonial empires that have, in part, held back third world economies for decades? Keep an eye on America to find out!
I’m sure America’s substantial purchasing power will help prevent the rot from spreading within. Right? Right?!
I’d very much appreciate any correspondence you have on the matter. Thank you!
It’s actually gotten really complicated lately, sorry about that. Here’s the quiz for express entry: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/check-score.html
Generally speaking, the highest-scoring applicants get in first. If that fails, maybe there’s some niche provincial program or something, but you’ll probably need to hire an immigration lawyer to have a chance of figuring it out. Here’s a link I found on the other options.
If you do get let in, I recommend driving up in an RV. The housing market in Canada is still really fucked, and that’s a decent fallback option. Winter-safe ones exist, but I also see people building little insulated enclosures, and if you can manage to afford BC it’s not much of an issue there anyway.
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Honestly, slums themselves meet that description. People who don’t need them just dislike having to look at or think about them, which is hella elitist.
New buildings won’t mean anything if the wealthy are building and running them (and charging rents). Send a respectful letter to your new government pointing this out!
You know, the actual quantitative evidence is pretty strong that particular market is competitive. If anything, being a landlord is a relatively bad investment of a million dollars. I fully expect that if the NIMBYs don’t derail it, more supply will end the problem.
Australian chiming in here and we have an election in a few days time.
The current Opposition Leader is running on a platform of Trump Wannabee.
I really really hope our country tells him to stick it up his fucking ass.
rooting for you aussies. Love and strength from Germany <3
Cheers dude. We have to come together across all borders to end this shit.
Let’s go mates. Kick them bootlicker asses.
Luckily we have preferential and compulsory voting.
The big key is gonna be if we get that sweet 172 seats with Lib+Green+NDP, we are only 1 seat short
If we hit that mark it means, hilariously, the one single green seat is needed to form a majority government without bloc’s help needed
Which will force liberal party to play ball with NDP and Green Party’s more progressive policies.
That’s our ideal scenario, conservatives are told to go kick rocks, and green/ndp get an actual voice on decision making to push the country in a progressive direction.
One. More. Seat!
Atm we got it, this is the magic sweet spot where we want to be
172 seats exactly with lib+ndp+green
and conservatives can’t even threaten a vote of non confidence with bloc’s help. (1 vote short)
But they could trigger it with that 1 green seat’s help, which means liberals have to stay on the good side of that 1 green seat XD
Hopefully there won’t be a Joe Manchin situation where just one of the liberals starts siding with the conservatives on just about everything to negate the majority (though I may be misinterpreting how the system works, I’m not super aware of how Canada’s legislature functions)
I blame Manchin alone for a lot of what we weren’t able to get done under Biden
If any vote ever fails in our government, it triggers an instant re-election. It’s called the Vote of Non Confidence
It’s probably one of the most key parts of why our government is a little bit more resistant to clown-showing, because even a small crack in the parliament triggers a new election.
So bills can only be tabled if the gov is 100% confident it will have the votes.
Which means the conservatives could table a bill if they knew the NDP + Bloc would side with them on it, as then they have the votes to pass it.
But since it’s the NDP, a very progressive party, it means they actually hold that fine balance of mediating power between liberals and conservatives.
It’s pretty solid actually, and makes it so everyone the entire term could pass a reasonable bill.
Pretty sure this last term the conservatives and liberals did agree on some stuff and some bills passed with both approving it, iirc.
I think forcing them to occasionally work together like that helps temper the fascism lol.
How is the green party in canada? Actually good or like in the US?
The 1 seat they got was in the green party stronghold (co leaders home town)
I have zero clue what her platform is, prolly environmentalist tho.
Generally to the left of the NDP. Kinda unrealistic, TBH, because they don’t have to worry about costing it or carrying it through.
If only they would embrace nuclear!
Currently it seems like there is a highly improbable but mathematically possible outcome where the Conservatives and Bloc Québécois form a government. Canada gets to be the 51st state and Quebec gets to be the 52nd state. 💀
Let’s get that last seat! edit: typos
Bloc have endorsed the liberals already, Quebec is extremely anti trump.
Bloc aligning with conservatives would be political suicide lol.
That’s why I said highly improbable. But if they became states it would be the end of Canadian politics. It would be all American politics at that point. edit: typo
Somehow I don’t see Quebec deciding anything that favors a party that wants everyone to speak English.
I don’t think Quebec will recognize Trump’s rule if he takes control of Canada. It may result in some occupier deaths.
The cherry on top:
Little PP got his ass kicked. I love it !
I don’t know how it works there. Was Pierre running in two races?
Would there have a special election for this seat if he had won both?
What are the odds he loses support and goes quiet after losing both, especially his backup incumbent election? (Knowing hard losses used to discourage people, but not always now)
No one actually “runs for Prime Minister”. The Prime Minister is simply the leader of the governing party. That is determined by the number of seats each party wins. The PM is almost always an elected MP, but as demonstrated for the past few weeks they don’t have to be.
Thank you! I understand now.
Prime Minister is similar to Speaker of the House- everyone gets elected in their district and then the majority party (or in the case of a
functional democracymulti-party system, a coalition of parties that add up to 51% of the elected officials) picks their own Speaker/Prime Minister without further input from the public. In practice, if you’re already the party leader then you’re sure (95%~) to be the prime minister after your party wins/gets the biggest share in the election
Sky news spin: haha, Carney was actually Trump’s win! I can’t make this shit up (but apparently Sky news can…)
Daddy hasn’t told them what to say yet and these kinds of outlets don’t know how to think for themselves anymore. And at this point it’s pretty much all news outlets based out of the US don’t know what to say without him.
You’d have to be trying hard to forget your media literacy to think that was spin.
It’s a device that’s saying the Trump issue is the major one in the election. Trump, and how voters feel about him, is what is driving one party or the other to victory.
I did read the article and indeed the content is about what you say. On the other hand, I don’t know if titling this as “Canada might be the second election Trump wins in six months” is an attempt at sarcasm, click-bait or spin (pretending not to know the number of people who will only ever read the title). It’s sad that I now I jump directly to believing the latter so I do hope that I’m wrong
It’s an analysis piece, an interesting or provocative headline is the thing to have.
People really have forgotten how to read news media in the past few years.
Is just treat any US and UK news outlet as the Onion these days.
As a dumbass American… Go Canada! Fuck yeah good work!
yes, it is so relieving that this right wing populist trend seems to be failing in our closest neighbor. Hopefully the failure of this administration will wake a lot more places up, and create a greater push back against this trend to the far right.
I cannot wait to see how the Trump admin will spin this. Either that or they have a meltdown and immediately call it a rigged election. Bonus points if he tells Canadians to storm their capital.
They are 100% going to say our election was rigged, and our idiots are going to believe them.
excerpt of facebook comments Ive seen since last night
- “this country is a disgrace”
- " sad day for canada"
- “fucking rigged!”
- “west time to become 51st state”
- “alberta saskatchewan manitoba 51st state of USA!”
- “time to secede”
- “trump will save alberta”
- " insert conspiracy here already picked their candidate, our votes dont count"
- “time to leave”
- accusations of Chinese meddling
- accusaions of European meddling
- accusations of Globalist meddling
Club your idiots with baseball bats. Or cricket bats. Or whatever bats you use up there.
Lacrosse and hockey sticks.
Not the flying kind!
I’ll be a little surprised if he addresses it more than a passing comment - the US conservative population doesn’t actually give a shit about canada (unless they’re told to be mad about it for some specific scapegoaty reason, but they’ll just forget. Like they’ve all forgotten about the lumber issues, or eggs, or how ‘canada is killing the US garment industry’ that one was cute…). At this point he’s got enough other things to distract them with, so why waste his very limited attention span on something he’s declared a solved issue?
I think it would depend on whether Canada’s new government is willing to play ball. If they’re not willing to kiss Trump’s ass and give America the preferential treatment that he’s trying to extort from the country, there’s going to be more than just a one-off passing comment about it. Probably a woe-is-me “Canada is taking advantage of us” campaign, I reckon.
Finally something to celebrate in this general vicinity. Congratulations, Canada.
Bro I need gaslighting lessons from PP; how is he losing his riding, losing an election he has polled 20+ points in the lead in for almost two years, and yet gives a speech where he not only says he will stay on as leader, but makes it seem like losing the election was his desired outcome??
Really sad about Jagmeet and the NDP wipeout tbh. I know why it happened, but if I’m not mistaken the universal pharma and dentalcare we have now were initiatives pushed by the NDP that the Liberals get credit for because they were the ones holding the PM seat.
but if I’m not mistaken the universal pharma and dentalcare we have now were initiatives pushed by the NDP that the Liberals get credit for because they were the ones holding the PM seat.
No one who has any political awareness would give the liberals credit for that. That was the NDP’s contribution.
No one who has any political awareness would give the liberals credit for that. That was the NDP’s contribution.
A lot of voters aren’t aware. If it’s not being blasted on repeat by a news channel, then at least 50% of the electorate has no idea what’s happening. We’re also so inundated with American politics that Canadian news gets drowned out as well.
Same as universal health care… it was an NDP initiative that the Liberals took nationally.
Without the NDP, our Liberals suck… which is why I am sad after this election (still happy PP won’t be around)
I’m hopeful that it really is just a temporary thing given the Trump situation and with a new leader and that behind us (might take more than 1 term of course) that they’ll be able to come back stronger and make the Liberals advance things they wouldn’t otherwise again. Also you never know, maybe they’ll get some leverage with the current set up, but seems less likely for this term.
Agreed… I only vote Liberal when I believe the Conservatives are getting dangerous and the Liberals have a chance to beat them.
I will continue to support the NDP with my vote and wallet in the future
Jagmeet was getting wiped out regardless. The fatigue that existed for Trudeau was also present for Singh and Pollievre.
Bro I need gaslighting lessons from PP; how is he losing his riding, losing an election he has polled 20+ points in the lead in for almost two years, and yet gives a speech where he not only says he will stay on as leader, but makes it seem like losing the election was his desired outcome??
Because he is a weasel… he was in opposition for almost 3 years against Trudeau when Trudeau was toxic and PP was unable to make ONE meager alliance with nobody. We have Jagmeet to thanks because, like me, he could not stomach a PP majority
Electoral Reform will be passed this time… right?
Of course it will … hahahahaha
It was not in the platform. I’ll settle for staying sovereign, maybe we can clean up FPTP later.
Fuck man, I wish I could afford move to Canada right now.
I can but they won’t let my friends in. I didn’t realize until I looked into it but national borders are actually quite rigid
You’d have to build new roots in a new place. I’ll admit I worry that I’m running out of time for that at my age, or at the very least the window is closing.
Makes me feel pretty depressed. I’m not super happy with the landscape of people I have to interact with. I have a lot of decent friends but I feel like the number of very close friendships I have is zero due to a lot of major value differences and low population.
I’m feeling the same way. I’ve been mostly “stuck” in wherever I just ended up. Part of me really does fantasize about fleeing somewhere better, especially being in a part of the US with an absolutely abysmal education record (and it shows. Oh boy.)
But besides the resources, I don’t have some ultra compelling reason for a non-volatile nation to bother letting me in.
There’s cool people here, and I try to get along with whomever, but forming relationships feels really high stakes these days since contested politics and tribalism is infecting every facet of peoples’ lives.
No one can afford to move to Canada. Our housing prices are stupid.
Even more unaffordable for an American. They need to have bankroll to survive a year without income and that includes covering possible medical expenses for 3 months. I have friends who have wanted to move here for years and the hurdles are large even with skills and secondary education. Only those with highly in demand educated skills get an easier path.
No different in America, and corporations are buying up homes so they can jack the prices up even higher. MAGA wants a population of renters so that they can control us by threatening us with homelessness.
this outcome has less to do with trump’s actions, and more to do with how the conservatives behaved in spite of those actions.
I think enough people were like me, ready to vote conservative, but then lost faith in the party since they didnt really seem to have a plan on anything once trudeau was gone early. Pollievre’s stock tanked once people saw that Trudeau was gone, and what was happening in the world
Long as you’re voting against fascists man
Poillievre flirted with Trumpian rhetoric though.
He tried to mimic 2016 2020 trump. And it was palatteable to many
But when the 2025 version came out. It disgusted people
I don’t want to vote against anybody. Canada forces such decisions, though, just like the US and the UK.
I don’t know that ‘Conservative’ exists anymore. I’m American, but I think these comments work everywhere else, as Authoritarianism rises.
Growing up, I believed that liberal/conservative was just a difference in approach, but not a difference in end-goal. Both ‘teams’ wanted the country to prosper. In my 40s, now, I clearly see that we have different goals: Liberals want everyone to be prosperous, healthy, fulfilled. Conservatives value the prosperity only of those on top.
You may identify as conservative, little ‘c’, respect tradition and be careful with spending, etc; but I want you to closely evaluate the actions of people using that label across the globe. A vote for a conservative or right-wing candidate is a vote for the top 1% or less of the population of the planet. They may align with you on some topics, such as religion, abortion, fiscal policies, regulations, and more; but that is a ploy and they are absolutely willing to throw you away as soon as they have your vote and will cut everything you depend on once in power in order to pad their own pockets.
There are certainly perverse incentives and systemic issues that make even liberal politicians support bad policies, but the voter bloc that is ‘liberal’ wants to make things better for everyone. The conservative politicians, at least in the US where I’m paying attention, seem to be hell-bent on making things worse instead.
This has less to do with Trump’s actions, and more to do with how the convervatives behaved…
This has been my experience as well and I’d like to highlight your insightful point on how it seemed like both options were still trying to work towards a greater good decades ago.
Modern day conservatism seems entirely based on the ethos that inclusivity has gone too far. Since the world has become (in a very general and oversimplfying sense) more fair and inclusive over time, the ideology now feels inherently regressive.
The line between regressive and conservative is so hard to define. However the former certainly is in ascendancy in America.
Really, Mark Carney is what a conservative used to be. These days people who identify as “conservative” are internet weirdos that stress over “wokeness” and whichever conspiracy theory is popular on the internet on that day.
Explain how they gained more seats then.
The conservatives barely lost because the progressives and the BQ voters cut their legs off to hoist up the liberals.
We’ll see if the liberals take Quebec for granted like NDP did after Layton.
That’ll be important. We’ll also see how Canadians react to the atrocities the USA will commit in the next 4 years too however.
