• tornavish@lemmy.cafe
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    That’s the point. Make you poor and unable to choose. Good thing Kamala didn’t win though, we really lucked out avoiding “business as usual” bullshit.

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      This is what I don’t understand. Do people not factor the consequences of giving the orange buffoon power again and the impact that choice has on their own country, economy and system of government, nevermind what is happening half a world away?

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        People are tired of falling in line for a party that doesn’t support them.

        It’s an easy fix, just start nominating progressive candidates.

        The only issue is that upper middle class white folks will have to pay more in taxes, so they’d rather have Trump.

        It’s all about the money, and money brings out the worst in people.

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          I was saying to my older friends that AOC should really be running for president because in a lot of ways she brings with her Bernie ideologies, my friend told me that Democrats need to run a moderate candidate. She is a great progressive who fights bullies, instead of making backroom deals with them. I really hope Mamdani wins in New York and will signal that people really want progressives in office. AOC would be an amazing president because she actually puts the work into listening to people and acting on it.

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        I had a super progressive friend throw her vote away because of a war happening across the globe that’s been going on for thousands of years. Kamala supported Israel and on top of that, “she’s a cop.”

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          Probably expected the gaza war to end the first day trump was in office too…

          But no, progressives aren’t necessarily the entire answer either, as other forum members hope. Nothing against AOC or Bernie (I think they’re great). Vote by policy and solutions, not personality or affiliation.

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        I think a lot of people in this world enjoy watching the suffering of others. I’ve noticed quite a number of people who claim to be lefties on here who seem to be perfectly fine with people suffering because they are suffering themselves.

        They are the kind of people who would get angry and abstain from voting if they did not qualify for student loan forgiveness. They are not OK with one group of people having a win unless they are in that group of people.

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          The same group of people who get angry at your lifestyle because it interferes with the rules their religion forces them to adhere to? The religion they chose to follow? Those people and people who think like them?

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      The sad thing is that anyone who’s been paying attention could tell she was never going to win against a rich white man.

      She was calm yet passionate.

      She was intelligent yet down to earth.

      She was serious but not afraid to laugh at bullshit from the GOP.

      She had amazing policies that benefited the middle and lower class on both sides.

      None of that ever mattered. She was never going to win against a rich white man.

      The DNC fucked up big time.

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        wtf are you talking about

        harris had a celebrity filled gala where republicans were invited but the people speaking on behalf of the middle and lower class and about policies that would benefit them and everyone else were locked outside and were not permitted in

        what policies she was just some lawyer from california who after dating her boss got a higher position at work afterwards

        In 1990, Harris was hired as a deputy district attorney in Alameda County, California, where she was described as “an able prosecutor on the way up”.[29] In 1994, Speaker of the California Assembly Willie Brown, who was then dating Harris, appointed her to the state Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board and later to the California Medical Assistance Commission.[29]

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Harris

        didnt lose to whitey she is a whitey

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              First rule of life – Either change the rules or change the game, because playing their game by their rules means you’re guaranteed to lose.

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                I don’t think those rules actually ever worked. You can’t change the game of life—you have to play it.

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      If Kamala won, you wouldn’t be upset even though the working class is still losing.

      All you’d be saying for her wet-noodle policies is “at least it’s not Trump!”

      You people really need to stop pretending that Kamala’s victory would be your victory. They’re all victories for the ruling class.

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        I’d be upset, I dislike her very much. However, we wouldn’t be watching SNAP benefits disappear. Women wouldn’t be denied abortions. We wouldn’t have ICE standing around in masks shooting civilians with paint balls.

        The real problem is people like you. People who think we have to make everyone suffer. That burn it down and rebuild it lie, or the “reset” button. Sure, you can burn it down and press reset, it reset is slavery and feudalism.

        Good luck!

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          If it upsets you so much, you can do something about it.

          Start supporting better candidates and encourage others to do the same.

          Once we nominate a candidate that actually cares about the working class, then we can stop having this discussion and focus on solving real problems.

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            That is not how politics actually works.

            I do support better candidates… In the primary… But then I vote for the person who is the least likely to destroy everything.

            That’s the problem with 2024. The Democrats never had a primary. That was wrong. Nobody wanted her. And just because you don’t like the candidates doesn’t mean you’re not supposed to vote.

            I think what a lot of uneducated lefties forget is that “better” is subjective, and that positive change happens in very small amounts–whereas negative change usually happens in huge chunks.

            But if you really want to know what I think, I feel humanity is far too flawed to get beyond where we are right now as a society. I mean, look at us, we are sitting here arguing and probably on generally the same side. There is zero hope.

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              You were willing to overlook a genocide. We are not on the same side. Maybe one day you will come around to my side and we will welcome you. I will never come around to your side.

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          Oh I’m sure it’ll right itself after a century or two. Just like the last time, and not in their lifetimes. Lol.