I really don’t like the design of the progress pride flag, and I couldn’t really put my finger on it until I saw this: https://nava.org/good-flag-bad-flag

For reference, here is the flag I’m referencing as “bad flag”:

And here is the original:

So, the original has too many colors, but it’s the colors of the rainbow. In order. It’s recognizable from really far away, and it’s dead simple to draw.

With the Intersex flag, that’s 14 colors. There are three shades of “purple”. The circle won’t be visible from far away. The chevrons are too thin to be very recognizable from far away.

It’s not like there aren’t good pride flags. Like there are AMAZING ones:

Edit:

In case you don’t know what these are: https://flagsforgood.com/collections/pride-flags

  • @Yermaw@lemm.ee
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    Thats way too busy. Should definitely just keep the rainbow flag. Not every little niche needs specific representation, just have the rainbow as a catchall for any kind of deviation from heterosex

    Edit to add : if they want to use them to identify and specify within rallies or amongst themselves somehow then whatever, go for it, as long as we can accept the layman isnt gonna have a clue and cant really be expected to.

    • @Railison@aussie.zone
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      6918 hours ago

      I thought the rainbow was supposed to mean it encompassed everyone.

      The colours on the flag apparently weren’t sufficiently inclusive so perhaps this should be the next flag:

      • @mienshao@lemm.ee
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        38 hours ago

        God this website is just like reddit. Dumbasses just saying shit. No, the original Pride flag had 8 colors, and each color had a specific meaning. It wasn’t just “to encompass everyone.” Like what the hell, lemmy? Why are we doing bogus discourse on here too? Every year I gotta deal with a bunch of fucking straights dumping on the Progress Pride flag—seriously go fuck yourselves.

        • @mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          41 hour ago

          Each color had a specific meaning, but none of those meanings were a specific gender or sexuality. The meanings were intentionally tied to concepts, rather than to distinct groups of people. This was so it could encompass everyone. But then dumbasses started trying to claim specific colors as their own, which excluded people. And so then every group suddenly started making their own flags, since they were being excluded by the people claiming one of the colors on the rainbow.

      • Cyrus Draegur
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        3316 hours ago

        this fails to capture the grades of saturation.

        Here is every color in the RGB (#000000-#FFFFFF) color space arranged sequentially on a Hilbert curve (but scaled down to 512x512)

      • cecilkorik
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        2418 hours ago

        I would absolutely and unironically fly this flag, although to be even more inclusive it also needs an alpha layer. Perhaps it should be a cube? Actually even that might not be inclusive enough, we need more dimensions. BRB I need to figure out how to attach a tesseract to my flagpole, I guess I’ll need some kind of gordian knot?

        • @AA5B@lemmy.world
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          But if you include alphas , you need to be inclusive of betas and sigmas, and other Greek letters still undefined

        • @DokPsy@lemmy.world
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          I was thinking more adding from outside the visible spectrum. So a flag with the entire electromagnetic spectrum from ~10^-20 m to ~10^17 m

      • @Asetru@feddit.org
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        Black and white are pretty overrepresented there though. Turning this into a sphere might help?

      • Zier
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        I call Lime Green as my personal inclusion color!!!

    • @Kaboom@reddthat.com
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      Imo, the rainbow flag is perfectly inclusive. By focusing on one minority, you make it less diverse and less inclusive.

      Rainbow flag is best

    • @saltesc@lemmy.world
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      They all sprung up in that period where flags were trendy. Every little camp had to have one to feel like a singled-out tribe—and, no, this isn’t just kink flags. This meant many would be flag designers overnight.

      The result is there’s some really fugly designs out there in the wild now and the idiots can’t go back. But most people are over flag phase now, so you’re unlikely to ever see this and most others out in the wild.

      Nothing fails more at its job than a pride flag that people have no idea what is. It’s almost irony.

      And is this one ugly? Oh, yes. Enough to turn a person straight.

      • @AA5B@lemmy.world
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        The solution is inheritance. If you want a more specific flag, inherit from the rainbow, but add an insignia. Now you have a unifying flag that is more meaningful. Also you can skip the complexity of trying to make everyone stand out because the rainbow is all inclusive.

        For example, I also like the pink triangle pirate flag. If you want a gay flag, take the rainbow and add that pirate insignia. Think like the US flag which is also a bunch of stripes but with some star insignia. Now you have one clear insignia on a field of inclusiveness

        • @saltesc@lemmy.world
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          You’re right. Could literally design anything and people that know nothing about any of it could figure it out quickly. But instead, a salad of sex preferences, gender, race, kink, specific US cities, all appearing to be under the Intersex insignia.

          It’s always seemed so bad to me that it’s more likely to be done by an anti-woke troll or someone like Michael Scott discovering Pride Month.

          It’s just offensive. Obviously to the eyes, but also to any group being shoved together within its borders.

    • @november@lemmy.vg
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      1218 hours ago

      deviation from heterosex

      Totally normal words to say. BTW trans and intersex people can still be straight.

    • @hddsx@lemmy.caOP
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      Here’s the thing though, I know this is an ally flag, but it’s like they never considered symbols:

      Ignore the really bad black and white background for a second.

      Imagine the left side of the shape is an homage to the original pride flag and the right side is WHATEVER YOU WANT TO PUT IN IT. Uniform clean design with representation. Easy to draw for the layman (fill both sides in with rainbow if you want), and easy to add specific representation