Remember everyone. Due processes is there to determine if the activity is criminal. You are not a criminal until you have been convicted.
Saying anyone does not deserve due process bc they are a criminal is factually wrong
In Annecy, Frnace, there’s a plaque on one of the elementary schools where Jewish kids were forcibly removed from class by the ss and taken away. Same shit’s starting to happen in America now.
Kill the fascists, disrupt their plans. Fuck them.
You know what can turn a normal parent into a “dOMestIC tERroRIst”?.. fucking with their kids
ICE aren’t human. Just kill em
I wonder how a person wakes up one day and says to him/herself: i want to kidnap children when i grow up
“The sad truth is that most evil is done by people who never make up their minds to be good or evil.” ~ Hannah Arendt
I still don’t know what to make of her views on nazis given the fact she had a lifelong romantic relationship with the one who ejected her and other Jews from her university.
Did Heidegger not also possess this “banality of evil”? Or was he somehow an acception?
The romantic choices of many of us between the ages of 18-21 (her age during their actual affair) probably don’t bear scrutiny.
An ex who later became a nazi (and then recanted) is probably an excellent example of how quotidian these kinds of evils can be.
She was only human and some of her views are problematic, but I don’t think it’s a case of contagion.
The romantic choices of many of us between the ages of 18-21 (her age during their actual affair) probably don’t bear scrutiny.
I’m not scrutinizing her for any choices between 18 and 21.
This was a lifelong relationship, Hannah herself reached out and continued writing letters in his defense from the 1950s to her death.
An ex who later became a nazi (and then recanted) is probably an excellent example of how quotidian these kinds of evils can be.
Ex? No.
Recanted? They denied he had any nazi sympathy and claimed it was all a mistake
Later, in a 1969 birthday tribute essay “Martin Heidegger at Eighty,” Arendt penned what has generally been taken as an exoneration of Heidegger. In it, she “compared Heidegger to Thales,” writes Gordon, “the ancient philosopher who grew so absorbed in contemplating the heavens that he stumbled into the well at his feet.”
This was the accepted view of Heidegger until 2014 when the black notebooks came out
But major Heidegger scholars have responded in a variety of ways—including resigning a chairship of the Martin Heidegger Society—that suggest the worst. According to Daily Nous, a website about the philosophy profession, when Günter Figal resigned his position in January as chair of the Martin Heidegger Society, he said:
As chairman of a society, which is named after a person, one is in certain way a representative of that person. After reading the Schwarze Hefte [Black Notebooks], especially the antisemitic passages, I do not wish to be such a representative any longer. These statements have not only shocked me, but have turned me around to such an extent that it has become difficult to be a co-representative of this.
Hannah defends him as just so focused on high philosophy he never noticed the antisemitism
Recalls Adam Kirsch in the Times:
The seal was set on his absolution by Hannah Arendt, in a birthday address broadcast on West German radio. Heidegger’s Nazism, she explained, was an “escapade,” a mistake, which happened only because the thinker naïvely “succumbed to the temptation … to ‘intervene’ in the world of human affairs.” The moral to be drawn from the Heidegger case was that “the thinking ‘I’ is entirely different from the self of consciousness,” so that Heidegger’s thought cannot be contaminated by the actions of the mere man.
but I don’t think it’s a case of contagion.
Modern scholars seem to say otherwise
In a long, carefully documented essay, Wasserstein (who’s now at the University of Chicago), cites Arendt’s scandalous use of quotes from anti-Semitic and Nazi “authorities” on Jews in her Totalitarianism book.
Wasserstein concludes that her use of these sources was “more than a methodological error: it was symptomatic of a perverse world-view contaminated by over-exposure to the discourse of collective contempt and stigmatization that formed the object of her study”—that object being anti-Semitism. In other words, he contends, Arendt internalized the values of the anti-Semitic literature she read in her study of anti-Semitism, at least to a certain extent
https://slate.com/human-interest/2009/10/troubling-new-revelations-about-arendt-and-heidegger.html
And are these your own views too? I thought you said you didn’t know what to make of her.
I have to admit I’m not particularly invested in this issue, but I do think it’s a gross mischaracterisation to say the letters post relationship somehow constitute an ongoing affair. They quite obviously don’t.
Heidegger was an antisemitic Nazi and the black notebooks prove there was a lot more to that than he pretended after he publicly recanted. As far as I’m aware historians have not found any evidence that Arendt was any more aware of the content of the notebooks than anyone else was.
I agree Arendt’s work is flawed as I noted above.
When I quoted her, my intention was simply to communicate that specific idea, with which I agree - not to evoke her as if she were some kind of infallible god.
I’m not in favour of abandoning the concepts of ideology and interpretation because Althusser murdered his wife, similarly I’m not going to abandon the concept of the banality of evil because Arendt was deluded about a creepy professor she had an affair with.
To be fair, i did that, but i was aiming for a witchy mysterious throw-them-in-the-oven sorta way, and dropped that aspiration just about the second i learned the only people who kidnap children nowadays are pedophiles.
It’s just not the right cultural moment for reclaiming that.
Please feel free to prove there’s a single ice agent that’s not a pedophile. Edit: then maybe i can start on my childhood dream of being a terrible witch who throws kids in my oven and/or cauldron.
i wouldn’t go so far as to say theyre ALL pedophiles but theres probably a strong correlation between ice agents and people who disagree with the concept of consent
Do you have any proof though?
This post
I think it’s more about following your passion and just one day finding yourself behind the steering wheel.
Stephen Miller is probably even more evil than TACO Don.
Pedo shit
Elites stealing children for their adrenochrome where are those chicken shit little conspiracy cunts when we could use them.
Test run? You’re there already
Can’t help wondering how many stone cold rapists and paedophiles are out there pretending to be ICE and kidnapping people.
Ted Bundy pretended to be a detective to try to lure at least one girl, but thankfully she escaped. How many others weren’t that lucky?
We might see a brief resurgence in serial killers if they start to realize this is a valid tactic, and this shit will get ICE agents shot because many people carry guns specifically for over the top scenarios like these.
I sure as hell would start shooting. In Canada, if someone was actually trying to kidnap someone like that and the victim fired back, their shooting would be justified. They would still go to jail for years for illegally carrying a gun but the actual shooting would be justified. There is precedent for this in Canadian law.
I rather suspect ICE agents are also carrying guns for that scenario.
Everyone in the US has a gun…
I think the serial killers just got smart and took official positions where they can do horrible shit with the government’s blessing
Perfect opportunity for them. Even worse are organized hate groups like KKK and friends
So, the ICE and Police?
Some of those that work forces…
A lot more than any republican would every be willing to admit.
Here are some example of different impersonations:
What is most disturbing is that most of those are chaotic, disorganized impersonators who therefore got caught.
There are probably calm, professional-looking adults doing this and flying under the radar.
Exactly. Many criminals who do terrible crimes get caught because they panic and make dumb mistakes in fits of anxiety (criminals are humans, too, and like many humans in very high pressure situations, especially ones where your entire life is at stake if you fuck up, they crack).
But… a calm psycho or someone who really prepared well for it? That is scary as all hell.
Could pretending to be ICE be a useful guerilla tactic?
Seems to be working for ICE
It’s safest to assume it’s all of them without exception.
Vote fascism.
Get fascism.Rumor has it that might need to be amended to “agree to electronic voting, expect fraud”
I generally agree, evoting mostly solves a nonexistent problem.
Yeah, those goddamn Trump-voting first graders. Fuck.
What about the people who didn’t vote fascism and instead stayed home and complained about the black woman and Israel?
Every voter who stayed home, voted for it as much as those who went to the election place and voted for Trump.
Don’t vote? Don’t fucking complain.
Only nazis who promote and support genocide can complain
I, a nazi, came up with this rule
Only nazis can make rules
Maybe should’ve voted instead…
Or the people who kept us from getting anyone who could actually rally enough people to fight fascism before it got this far by standing behind the senile old guy nobody liked who proved for four years he wasn’t gonna stop shit, til he literally shat his pants on stage, then gave us his appointed second, who kept all the same policies and was personally a cop.
Just fuck them all, whole country is a write-off.
Whatever excuse you guys need to use to dodge responsibility i guess. The rest of us around the world are smart enough to hold our nose and vote in a candidate to oppose fascism, but Americans aren’t smart
Whatever excuse you guys need to use to dodge responsibility i guess
Literally voting for genocide and telling other people to vote for genocide while saying this shit
Literally voting for fascism and telling other people to vote for fascism and telling them it’s to fight fascism.
I wish I could argue with you about this. But I can’t. I voted for Harris, so many here refused because she wasn’t good enough. It’s like they want to go straight from where we are to perfect in a single election. The reason the process is slow is to avoid the very situation we’re in now. Incremental progress. Unfortunately the last 60 years or so have been used to erode the whole process, so we’re left with law makers and judges more interested in being rich and influential than doing their jobs.
I’m seriously looking forward to the results from the Rockland county NY election lawsuit. I’m seriously bummed the Harris campaign did fundraising for a recount but never called for one.
Yeah, its my fault the candidate was bad.
No, it’s not. We can argue whether or not she was really bad, or just not good enough, but the point is, when you have a choice between not perfect (or “bad” for the sake of argument) and objectively awful, and you choose nothing, then you’re equally responsible for the current state of things.
There are people suffering and dying now because he’s in charge, and let musk take his stupid chainsaw to aid programs. Israel is still doing awful things to the Palestinians, and he did absolutely nothing to help the situation between Ukraine and Russia. He’s ramming into every guardrail in our government and breaking through many of them. There will absolutely and 100% be more death and suffering with him as president than if we had gotten Harris. This was obvious well before the election, however the scope and speed are surprising, pretending that abstinence is somehow the morally superior stance is mind boggling.
Yeah it’s totally my fault she couldn’t stop looking for groups to alienate, groups in critical fucking areas.
It’s my fault the dnc chose such an awful candidate
It’s my fault the dnc had to switch lanes at the last second because the old senile man, half dead from ass cancer, couldn’t pretend anymore.
I admit it. This was all my fault. Harris, her team, and thr party? All blameless.
You think the Dems who are not doing shit now would have somehow prevented this? They’re complacent. Politician’s aren’t owed your vote just because the other guy is worse, thats not democracy. Politicians need to earn your vote, and not one pesidential candidate has in a decades.
This is where we’ve been heading for over 4 decades, with no opposition. There was no magic choice that would have prevented this, or possibly even just slow it. Dems at best would just slow the pace a little, but never stop it. Best they can say is that we need “unity” despite the fact that you can’t do a “middle ground” with people who want you wiped out. Kamala would have capitulated to the trump party’s demands as she was already doing with her rhetoric while the genocide continued because “she’s speaking”. The Democratic party and Kamala failed the people, not the other way around. Sooner you realize that, the sooner you can see who your real enemies are.
Could the Dems have prevented a second trump presidency if you had voted for Harris? Yes I believe that.
Fact is you guys bitched about Biden and so you got an educated black lady instead and you guys were still like “no not that!” The American left splintered and imploded and nobody was left enough for anyone else. If you were even slightly right or even left of someone you got called a fascist. You guys rejected allies at every turn. Meanwhile the right united, played you guys and ate your lunch.
The rest of us around the world are rightfully pissed off at you cretins who even now still pretend like there’s no difference between Trump and Harris
There’s gonna be videos of ice shooting children by the time this is all over
They’ll run into a classroom where kids are drawing, and claim they feared for their lives, because the pens could be used to harm them.
Then they’ll get 2-6 weeks paid leave, and be promoted when they get back.
Nah, they’ll just get a stacked pension and an early retirement, putting them back into the field is bad optics.
More likely to be “let go” only to be rehired one county over immediately. That’s what they do with the cops with records that they can’t simply handwave away.
Just wait till the videos of children shooting ICE come out!
Don’t worry, they’ll switchboard gas chambers soonnenough.
IIRC, that happened a few months ago, not now. A lot of schools are out for the summer already anyway. School staff did a great job of making the feds fuck off.
If my kids’ school ever handed them over to the feds I’d burn the fucker down myself.
Now imagine how the parents of Uvalde felt. Police showed up, and not only did nothing, but actively prevented OTHER parents, who were showing up to storm the grounds to shoot the shooter themselves. But the police protected the shooter, causing the deaths of more kids. If memory serves me right, 12 kids had died before parents showed up. And something like 37 died by days end.
Meaning, even if the police did nothing, and allowed the parents to go through, parents would have shot the shooter and saved 25 more kids.
Imagine knowing your kid is dead because police were afraid.
Don’t worry I already had a discussion re: uvalde the other day with somebody who was bootlicking. We don’t call cops in this house.
Wait until people start looking into how and why mobs were originally formed in the 1920’s. Police are selfish, opportunistic thugs in any age. Sometimes communities need to create their own police force to save themselves from the cops.
I doubt it. American parents have their kids shot to pieces at schools and do nothing about it, assuming you’re an american I have my doubts you’d make any effort towards justice.
That’s a pretty cruel and unwarranted thing to say to me.
Everyone talks like they’re Liam Neeson from ‘Taken’ but the reality is no schools or ICE facilities were burned down by any parent or member of the community who’s children were abducted by unidentified feds. The government aren’t afraid because people like you blow hot air all day but they call your bluff over and over and win every time, I see a lot of talk but only two examples of somebody ante-ing up and doing something about it, and one of them missed by centimeters.
You don’t know anything about me or what I would do or have done. So I don’t appreciate this axe grinding you’ve targeted me for.
I’m sorry, I don’t mean you personally. In all honesty I agree with your initial statement in that I too would and do want proper justice for crimes against children, but then I’m immediately smacked in the face by the reality that we aren’t even close to seeing any of that kind of justice and all our tough talk doesn’t scare them one bit. We are grinding the same axe here, but i’m very perturbed by all this which has made me eager to fight and i’m sorry if I directed fighting words to you personally. We’re both strangers to eachother here after all, I have no way of knowing who you are, if 99.999…% of the time that sort of justice you mentioned never happens then how am I to NOT think you would be the same? I’m sure you’d WANT to burn down the school, much like I want to burn the Sacklers for killing 12 of my friends in the opioid epidemic, much like their parents who were deceived into dodgy perscriptions by doctors probably want to burn the whole thing down, nobody ever does.
I will happily ruin my life protecting my children. I would gladly die for them. I understand you feel it’s safe to express the token skeptical mindset online, but I am a real person and frankly I just do not appreciate the assumptions you made about me based on literally no knowledge of who I am. You need to remember that there is someone on the other side of the screen man. I guess you’re trying to be polite at this stage, but you are still insisting that I wouldn’t do anything. You do not know who I am. You know nothing about me other than the comments you have seen thus far.
I have had cops actually break into my home at 2am. I have more experience with “real shit“ than you might think, and I am confident about my statement above. If my kids’ school handed them over to the feds, I would become quite violent.
expect way worse in future. both parties are ok with burning children alive or starving them to death if it means more campaign money.
Recent report I read and heard about was them staking out elementary school “graduations.” Caused parents to have to flee, which was rather depressing. The kids are likely birthright citizens, but even then, parents are afraid of deportation without representation (at least, according to interviews by KCRW/NPR).
FYI btw, it’s like the last week of school here in LA for most districts, so any of these stories are still very plausible.
The kids are likely birthright citizens
You say that like it matters to the fucking Mustard Mussolini.
God damn the school year goes long in LA
California summer (the season/weather) starts and ends later than most places, so the later school starts the less kids and teachers have to bake in underfunded non-air conditioned classrooms.
I’m up in Merced, the kids got out last week, and that’s actually kinda late for the central valley. It’s probably different for you guys because SoCal is physically closer to hell, whereas the central valley is spiritually closer to it.
Well, you’re closer to Modesto so your claim that you’re further from hell is debatable :P
Well, you’ve got me there. Modesto fucking sucks, dawg.
Something something Putin something kids in Ukraine.
Trump admin has no original ideas.
Is this what “saving the children” look like?
“Save the children… for me”
-Average MAGA
This would make me go nuclear.
Kidnapping our kids?
You want a primal reaction? This will fast track it.
They do want that reaction. They’re provoking normal people into violence to allow them to show an emergency and thus bring in the entire army
It’s inevitable that it will happen. Whether someone wants it or not is irrelevant. If children are being kidnapped that’s an appropriate response.
You stop them. With smoke if necessary.
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The thing is that lashing out to the lackeys doesn’t change much. The empire doesn’t care if they lose a bunch of stormtoopers, that is what they get hired for, it only cares if it loses a few emperors.
They’re doing that anyway. Might as well make them suffer the violence that they are hoping for.
They don’t need to do that, the army is already deployed. They can just make something up like they always do.
White Americans: Nah, it is only happening to brown kids.
Given the fact that that have been doing this to young, white, blond haired Canadian girls, it is only a matter time before the white kids of liberals and left leaning people get snatched. And probably some from conservatives who still have a microgram of sense and a drop of compassion left.
This is more about racial/ethnic scapegoating (one of the central tenets of fascism) than you’d think.
The ideas here is not that different from Hitler’s they just haven’t come right out and said it.
That isn’t to say white people shouldn’t be worried. Fascism is designed to rapidly centralize power by telling the majority they’re part of the ‘in’ crowd while in reality they will also be put through the meat grinder so that in the end it is only the state that survives.
Basically we work our way back to a monarchy and future geberations will have to wait for the next magna carta.
it would be good if this was your reactive to anyone getting kidnapped.
